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I did read Tim Cook saying the
ipp could replace pc's for many users. But that is a limited claim. It applies-imo-to creatives and light needs
users.

It is a pretty accurate claim from my experience. I'd say the vast majority of users would be able to go without a laptop and just use a tablet for everything. A chunk of those could probably use only their phone/phablet and not even own a larger device, as long as some airplay-like functionality is available.
 
There are a lot of us willing to spend real money on professional apps. Not anywhere near a majority of iOS users, because phones. But plenty of us. In addition to a trial period, the app store needs shopping tools, famously. How am I going to identify professional level software among thousands of free crap with in app purchases?

Absolutely, don't get me wrong there are plenty of people who will pay. Things need to change with the App Store though.

Yeah I agree that apps definitely need some kind of trial period. I think that'll eventually happen. Maybe do like a few days for a trial, or maybe the developer can set how long it is.

Why is there such a perception about price when it comes to iOS apps? Is it because it's a mobile OS?

I'd love for the day to come when iPad is just as good a tool for creating as a Mac. Not as a "start on iPad, finish on Mac" thing. Maybe it's still not mature enough.

Honestly I think its because Apple has kept such a tight rein on things for such a long time. The lack of subscription options (added now) and trial periods has meant that devs have had to price things as low as possible to attract sales, its become a race to the bottom, subsequently when people see an app on iOS that actually costs real money they're shocked by it.

Devs want more control over how they sell their software the lack of Apps in the Mac App Store proves that.
 
There needs to be something on iPad Pro in terms of software that could justify it, IMO. The displays and performance are great but not many apps out there that takes full advantage.
Otherwise my iPad Air 2 is staying put.
The OS itself is just not fit to be a productive tool. I love my iPad Air , honestly no reason to upgrade to any pro stuff
 
Why are you hassling the commenter??? Ask yourself that.

iPhones have had 3d touch for a couple of generations. Naturally one would have the expectation iPads would have that too on their touch screens with iOS especially considering the prices of some of the devices. 3d touch is across most of the other product lines as well.

3D Touch, as I already stated previously, Cook touched on the level of difficulty to incorporate onto a larger platform, as is the iPhone. It's a possibility it could be implemented in the future, which I personally have grown fond of.

The OP isn't very clear on what they stated and why they made the return. The OP's post doesn't exactly make sense if you re-read it. You call it hassling, I call it as I see it, which is confusing in the slightest.

And @smacrumon, I am not going to engage in an argument with you. Anyone reading your past posts knows it's futile to argue with you and most understand it leads no where.
 
I love that they still sell the same iPad Air 2 which I bought two years ago. I hate the speaker vibration and would enjoy the new four speaker design, but honestly it's not worth all that money. Pencil and Keyboard are niche applications and also way too expensive as a hobby. I don't care for a bigger screen which is also too expensive. They simply stopped making a new consumer iPad. I doubt there will be an iPad Air 3 next year either, they will just reduce the old iPad Pro by $100. But if you buy that, you're already one year behind in A-chip technology. The newest chips will only show up in the most expensive iPads and what from now on effectively is a mid range price will always lag behind in performance. It's a shame. At the same time I have absolutely no need for a faster iPad and no idea how this hardware could be improved in a meaningful way? No wonder iPad sales are down.
 
Good news though, dongles up and increasing in market share.

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The iPad Air and Mini are part of a very long list of products they haven't updated this year. No updates to: Mac Pro, Mac Mini, iMac, MBA, iPod Range, Apple TV, iPad Air, iPad Mini, iWork, etc. Even the products they did update were lacklustre internal only updates such as the iPhone and Watch. This is the worst year I can remember for Apple products.
Except for the one product which got an awesome redesign only four days ago.
 
I hope that in the next version of the iPad, Apple finally stops their obsession with trying to make it thinner...and instead focuses their energy solely on making it better.

It's gotten to the point now where it's simply thin enough. No one will care about another millimeter. What people really want is better battery life, higher resolution display, etc.

Most importantly...more storage. I can't believe my eyes when I see that Apple is still selling $600 tablets with only 32GB of space!!!! Apple has always been cheapskates with storage, but truly, a $600+ tablet these days should really come with at LEAST 64 GB of storage. 32GB for a 'premium' tablet is simply ridiculous.
 
The hard truth Apple has to face is that pro users (artists, musicians, etc) aren't going to use iPads to create finished products. The software and hardware are too limited. I use an iPad Pro to sketch out quick ideas, but any finished designs or illustrations that I create require a computer. For someone with a limited budget (or a stingy boss), the iPad will be the first item removed from the purchase list in favor of a real computer.
Yes this is a real problem that Cook and the rest of the executives seem to want to wish away. At present two in ones, which to me are an inelegant solution are being purchased instead of a laptop AND an iPad because of upfront cost.

There needs to be a quantum leap in iPad performance and capability before Cook's dream of killing off MacOS in favour of iOS can be realised. A paradigm shift like the introduction of the laser printer teamed up with Mac OS in the eighties.
And Apple has to bring developers to the table. To create the paradigm shift, there needs to be some kind of leap in software married to tablet hardware that supersedes the PC. Until then, Cook is whistling dixie.

And the problem with current state of the technology is that the meme is iPad is no good because the total purchase of a laptop and an ipad is too high, and Cook [Apple] is demonstrably very busy making price an anti-Apple decision.
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Why would a Dev waste their time making Pro level software for a market where Candy crush price points are expected?

Even for the likes of Adobe, its a waste of time.
Anyone who remembers the history of Adobe and Apple in the nineties would not be holding their breath for that. Apple could invest some serious cash in pixelmator to make the price/performance/capability comparison of an ipad+quantum-pixelmator with wintel+photoshop a complete and utter no-brainer in favour of the ipad combo.

And if this ipad combo can destroy the wintel combo as an option, it would also make Cook happy by destroying the mac combo too.
 
Not sure the iPad can ever replace a real computer. There are just so many things you can't do with it.

I think the iPad is like a bicycle and a computer is like a car. Everyone should have a bicycle, they're fun and awesome. But they shouldn't try to replace cars.
 
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It's a great tablet priced as a computer.

I love mine as a content consumption device
 
I currently have an IPad mini, iPhone and 2013 iMac. There are only two things that I do on my iMac that iOS can't handle well to my knowledge (dslr photo editing and a small amount of bit torrent). I've started to track how often I really need the iMac (sadly not very often) and figure it will last me another 3 to 4 years before it needs to be replaced. My best guess is that when the iMac goes I will probably replace it with a large sized tablet. In the meantime if my iPad mini dies I doubt that I will place it before I replace the iMac.
 
the latest data from market research firm IDC claims the iPad Air and iPad mini lines accounted for more than two-thirds of Apple's tablet shipments in the fourth fiscal quarter.
Hmm... So the news here is that of the 3 tablets that Apple sells, the cheaper 2/3s of the product mix account for somewhat more than 2/3s of the unit sales?

Ya don't say!
 
Hmm... So the news here is that of the 3 tablets that Apple sells, the cheaper 2/3s of the product mix account for somewhat more than 2/3s of the unit sales?

Ya don't say!
No, the news is a relatively nascient computer product has flatlining sales, one of the problems being perceived value, such as price/capability.

Prior to the release of the iPad Pro majority of iPad sales would have been for the newest and most powerful iPads. Now the majority of sales are older versions.

So: three reasons IMHO:
1: too expensive
2: need for a paradigm shift in capability to compete with even a low end laptop
3: too expensive.
 
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The same, or worse sales trend, will happen with the new MacBook Pro. If Apple is relying on the new Macbook Pro lineup for stellar holiday season sales, they are probably headed for a rude awakening – which they deserve.

I upgraded an iPad Air 2 (with Logitech's Ultrathin Keyboard) for an iPad Pro 9.7", with Apple's Keyboard Cover and the Apple pencil. Was it worth it? No.
 
No, the news is a relatively nascient computer product has flatlining sales, one of the problems being perceived value, such as price/capability.

Prior to the release of the iPad Pro majority of iPad sales would have been for the newest and most powerful iPads. Now the majority of sales are older versions.

So: three reasons IMHO:
1: too expensive
2: need for a paradigm shift in capability to compete with even a low end laptop
3: too expensive.
Where are you getting this? What I see is misleading headline on an article that shows Apple growing share in a declining market and a research report that says the problem is not price/capability but that a race to the bottom among other manufacturers is going to undermine the market:

"The race to the bottom is something we have already experienced with slates and it may prove detrimental to the market in the long run as detachables could easily be seen as disposable devices rather than potential PC replacements."
Prior to iPad Pro, there was no differentiation on performance alone. You had a big screen or a little screen. Now you have two big screen devices and the more expensive of the two sells less than the less expensive which is pretty much what you would expect.

The fact that 2/3 is the closest fraction they could find to describe how much of the mix is going to the cheaper 2/3s of the product mix pretty much says that the iPP is doing quite well.
 
Not really, I think the key thing with the iPad is portability, the surface studio concept is interesting, but using surface products what they demonstrate to how they actually behave when you use them is something totally different.
I'm sure if apple ever release a product like that, it will be when it is ready and functions as apple would function.
Im not talking about the surface studio I'm talking about the surface book. What is in line with the same price. can be used as a tablet but runs full software. Not mobile software.
 
The pro 9.7 starts at ~$600, 12.1 ~$800. Clearly with more storage the price goes up, but you can buy a reasonable 9.7 for quite a bit less than a grand.

The 9.7 size is not for me. I was constantly returning those prior to the Pro. I'm either 12.9" or mini, thanks though. I wouldn't use it enough to warrant it, as much as I enjoyed doodling with the pencil.
 
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