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I just can't stop laughing on this. Though myself an Apple user, these beautiful displays were created by SAMSUNG - "Daddy of Display Industry". i don't know why we fans become so biased and start writing a crap which is not true; so what you are trying to say they Daddy who created these displays, didn't win any award but child won it who received a display from the daddy.

Limit of Biasedness !!!
 
Regardless as to "the spin" in the article, to-date, Apple has ZERO "10-bit color" mobile displays !

I give the displays in the article a C+ grade, compared to what they could /should be !

Rec. 2100-compliant mobile displays are just-around the corner, & will Blow everyone & everything Out of the Water !

10-bit (extended color) ICtCp is key (to reduce algorithm crosstalk with extended / vivid / vibrant colors), plus PQ & HLG !

Yes, you know more than people who actually know stuff, you have "convinced" me...
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Lol. You have well and truly drunk the Kool-aid. The only thing that is “custom” about the iPhone X panel (which is for all intents and purposes a Samsung display using Samsung’s proprietary Super AMOLED technology), is the way it uses Samsung’s foldable OLED technology to fold the display back under itself at the bottom of the device to eliminate the “chin” you see on similar Android devices.

It's not the same thing, it's you who have drank the god damn "kool aid" (sic).
 
I’d like to see 120Hz promotion come to this years iPhones.
120hz and oled this year...nope we have to wait for microled
oled it was and still is a bridge between 2 big technologies lcd and the future microled
 
I have both of these sitting on my desk right now, actually.

Samsung may manufacture the display, but it's Apples design. One does have to wonder if Apple has some sort of clause in their contracts stating that a manufacturer can't take any of their designs to be used in their own products

Samsung manufactures and owns the technology behind iphone x's display through and through.
It was never specified what exactly did apple design regarding iphone x's screen. Probably a contract is responsible for this lack of details and it allows apple fans to spin this info in any form they want.
(ie, a Super Retina Display ending up on a Galaxy S10 or whatever they call their next one. (If it's S10, I hope Chevrolet sues the pants off them, lol)).

The S10 is rumored to have a display with more than 600ppi(so probably 4K)
I don't seen any connection between it and the "Super retina" found on the iphone x.
 
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Not my experience, coming from a iPhone 6s to the X I expected the screen to be less bright on the X as OLED can’t go as bright as LCD displays but it’s actually the brightest iPhone screen I’ve ever had.

Now, that's the biggest contradiction in terms I've ever seen! LMAO
 
Duh! and who do you think made AMOLED displays for Apple's iPhone X?
(hint: the same company that won pretty much all previous SID awards).
And without Apple asking Samsung to develop this display, we wouldn't be able to buy a device with it. Apple never made their own displays but they have repeatedly pushed the envelope in shipping devices with class-leading screens (original iPhone screen, retina iPhone 4 screen, retina MBP, 5K iMac, wide-gamut phones, tablets, laptops, 120 Hz with ProMotion). And several of those relied on measures that are applied after the screen has been manufactured (individual calibration, timing controller on the 5K iMac, colour management at the OS level, graphic chip and software improvements for 120 Hz).
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Samsung manufactures and owns the technology behind iphone x's display through and through.
It was never specified what exactly did apple design regarding iphone x's screen. Probably a contract is responsible for this lack of details and it allows apple fans to spin this info in any form they want.
Apple never manufactured their own displays. Does this mean they shouldn't get credit when they ship devices with display performance that stands out? In particular when some of that performance is due to refinements Apple adds itself (calibration, colour management, 120 Hz graphic ship & software)?
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Now, that's the biggest contradiction in terms I've ever seen! LMAO
Not at all, if there non-Apple devices with LCDs that are brighter than the iPhone X display than both statements can be true.
 
Tweaked? You mean built to specifications too expensive for their stuff. Apple designed, in the very least, the fold under display that every single manufacturer will copy in the near future to eliminate the chin on the phone.

The fold under display is possible because of how flexible Samsung's OLED displays are. So I don't see how something like this required design input from Apple.
Other manufacturers already stated that they avoided this solutions because it would increase the cost of the manufacturing not because they couldn't implement it.
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Apple never manufactured their own displays. Does this mean they shouldn't get credit when they ship devices with display performance that stands out? In particular when some of that performance is due to refinements Apple adds itself (calibration, colour management, 120 Hz graphic ship & software)?
Well I see that some people try to give them most of the credit and that is where the problem lies.
 
I still prefer my iPhone 6's display to the X, the colours go horribly wrong unless you're looking straight-on on the X, but the 6 worked at any angle.
They get less horribly wrong than on other OLED screens in other smartphones. Yes, I can see the colour shift when I look for it, but while using the phone in my daily life, I never notice it.
 
They do. But the iPad has been so dominant in the tablet sector over the years, that Samsung has literally dropped all their marketing for the tablet Series. Aside from the displays being Stark and excellent with the iPad, the architecture and performance is amazing. The iPad just never seems to fail and they last forever.
Tablets are clearly not a point of focus for any Android OEM(Google Included).
So they ipads doesn't compete with Android tablets but mainly with 2in1 laptops.
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Wasn’t there an article here a few weeks ago about the Samsung S9’s display being slightly better calibrated according to some display testing site?
Yes it was.
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Yes, but the 2nd gen iPhone X should beat this display in just a few months! Apple’s calibration is really some of the best in the business. I wish my TVs would come as well calibrated as the MBP and iPhone displays out of the box.
What about the Note 9?
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Manufacturing capacity, price, yield, backlog, terms, etc. Does LG even provide contract manufacturing for displays like Samsung?

Should kudos go to TSMC for manufacturing Apple's Ax processors used in iPhones and iPads, in TSMC's foundry?


TSMC's manufacturing process performance is one of the main reasons(if not the main one) the A11 is as fast and efficient as it is.
For example if the A11 would have been manufactured on a 20nm node it would have been way slower and considerably less efficient, not suitable for mobile phones. So a total waste of time.
 
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It’s been six months since IPhone X premiere and it is still one and only smartphone without bottom chin, fully deserved.
 
Funny people forget how Apple works with their manufacturers for their own run of displays with their own technology in it. As in, these are not off the shelf displays.

What relevant OLED technology does Apple have?
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Perhaps that's because you're just speculating about Apple's input and process working with Samsung, where you believe it boils down to a few sentences simply specifying dimensions, brightness, and pixel arrangement?


I haven't seen any information that would suggest that is more than that.
 
It’s callled intellectual property and patents

When has that stopped China?
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That's the problem, any Android tablet out there is a downgrade from the iPad Pro!

I am looking for one only cos some of the games I play have proper widescreen support on Android as compared with the iPads (which are 4:3). This is pretty minor though; I was looking mostly out of curiosity

Admittedly, my reply was intended to be snarky. Now I'm curious why you'd go that route just to get a widescreen aspect ratio. All I can think of off of the top of my head is that it allows you to still see more of the screen (centered) by pushing the on screen controls further to the left and right.
 
It’s been six months since IPhone X premiere and it is still one and only smartphone without bottom chin, fully deserved.
Yep it's got a nice behind, but at the price of that big ol' dent in the forehead. Guess you might call it a butterface.
 
Duh! and who do you think made AMOLED displays for Apple's iPhone X?
(hint: the same company that won pretty much all previous SID awards).

And who DESIGNS the AMOLED displays for the iPhone X, which is what really counts here (compared to just offering manufacturing plants for the production of these designs)?
(hint: it's not the company you're referring to).
 
TSMC's manufacturing process performance is one of the main reasons(if not the main one) the A11 is as fast and efficient as it is.
For example if the A11 would have been manufactured on a 20nm node it would have been way slower and considerably less efficient, not suitable for mobile phones. So a total waste of time.

Samsung was in the running as well. But the real point I was originally making, and not addressed by you, should kudos go to TSMC for the design (or Samsung should Apple have selected them for fabrication, or for earlier Ax versions Samsung fabbed) for the devices manufactured?

And of course the answer is no.

Apple has had their own display engineering group since at least 2014, and apparently is now engaged in R&D towards bringing a MicroLED display to market in a future device. Similarly, those displays will not be manufactured by Apple.
 
Samsung was in the running as well. But the real point I was originally making, and not addressed by you, should kudos go to TSMC for the design (or Samsung should Apple have selected them for fabrication, or for earlier Ax versions Samsung fabbed) for the devices manufactured?

And of course the answer is no.

You basically implied TSMC has no merits when TSMC does have quite a significant contribution. That is what I addressed.
Also I don't see how designing a silicon SOC and a screen are directly comparable(or the same thing). Maybe you could enlighten me.
To me is amusing the way you use the word design. It basically means what you want it to mean and it's never backed up by any technical detail to make things clear.


Apple has had their own display engineering group since at least 2014, and apparently is now engaged in R&D towards bringing a MicroLED display to market in a future device. Similarly, those displays will not be manufactured by Apple.
2014? Info about this engineering group started to appeared in 2017-2018 when they supposedly started working on some OLED tech.
I wish apple good luck with the MicroLED tech. We already know that Samsung and LG(veteran display manufactures) are quite advanced when it comes to MicroLED tech. Samsung currently at the level of showing different demos.
 
You basically implied TSMC has no merits when TSMC does have quite a significant contribution. That is what I addressed.
Also I don't see how designing a silicon SOC and a screen are directly comparable(or the same thing). Maybe you could enlighten me.
To me is amusing the way you use the word design. It basically means what you want it to mean and it's never backed up by any technical detail to make things clear.

Not my intent. TSMC had the better roadmap and process they could deliver on. Samsung had the process ready, but was not willing to make the capital expenditure in Apple's timeframe.

The points I was making in post#73 were in reference to to potential reasons Apple picking Samsung (over LG) for displays.
 
What relevant OLED technology does Apple have?
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I’d suggest visiting PatentlyApple and looking through their 5+ years of work on OLED. The X definitely has the work Apple has put in on extending the blue pixels lifespan (a long running issue in OLED) amongst other things.

A lot of this is extremely low level (such as the display power hardware) amongst others.
 
TSMC's manufacturing process performance is one of the main reasons(if not the main one) the A11 is as fast and efficient as it is.
For example if the A11 would have been manufactured on a 20nm node it would have been way slower and considerably less efficient, not suitable for mobile phones. So a total waste of time.


And yet, no one praised TSMC for A chips, ever, but now, when they hit Samsung fans where it hurts - suddenly - it's the factories that matter.

Of course Samsung should be praised for investing into their manufacturing capabilities and for making the best OLED production plants, and of course TSMC should be applauded for their capabilities. But so should the mines that mine metals for these devices, people on the assembly lines that put them together, etc. However, especially in the western world, it's the ideas and the designs that get the most attention, it's the only thing we refer to as "creativity".
 
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