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What about the rest of us? Are we just not enthusiastic enough? Do appliances inspire more than consumption?

I don't share your optimism given my experiences.

Actually Tech people like you, i assume, are the ones that should embrace change first.
You know, you can directly influence the road to walk and how it is paved more than the regular users like me.
I think you know that  cannot alone compete with PC manufactures out there without diversifying its products. Which also keep its talents busy.

… And, actually  still makes Mac Pro, which i am not able to afford, and i intend to be an animator.
See?

BTW, i am still saving for an iMac, the 27"".
 
I'm determined to put your mind at ease. ;)

I've tried to before and I think we got somewhere.

I know you're waiting for new Mac Pros. They'll be here, rest assured.
I'm quite content with my Macbook and Core i5 750 based desktop.

I'm looking to purchase a Dell U2410 display and a M11x notebook once it gets updated. My Macbook is going to be put on reserve duty for web browsing in bed (it does that very well) but I don't see much of a future in it.

I don't have any incentive to buy any Apple products right now. Every iPod I've own gets resold out of boredom after a few months. I don't have a need for a PDA, smartphone, or extravagant MID.

The iPad does web browsing well but I don't have a need for a $499 web browsing tablet.

Actually Tech people like you, i assume, are the ones that should embrace change first.
I've tried really hard to justify these cool touch devices but I don't have any utility for them to make up for their cost. My priorities and desires have changed over the years. I've learned to cope with Apple's letdowns so well that I'm ridiculously complacent with my Macbook and have very little hope for 10.7 to be an improvement.
 
Anti-iPad crowd is great for lulz!

Prior to launch: "Apple will sell none of these things, biggest flop ever."

Praise from tech reviewers prior to release: "Well of course they'll give them a good review. Who wants to make jobs angry?"

Sellout of initial launch units, no more preorders: " Pft probably just Apple trying to generate hype".

Initial sales numbers are released (of only wifi ipad mind you): "Yawn whatever. That was only mac fanbois and zelots. Lets see how the numbers stack up over time" (secretly::mad:)

Reports of issues on iPad (analogous to a peice of meat thrown to hungry wolves/bears/something dangerous): look see we told you this thing sux!

And then what really blows my mind is that in the same breath these same people say: "Thanks for testing it for me so I can have a better rev 2 iPad" :confused: which is apparently the 2nd revision of the worst device in history.

Thanks guys ya'll are awesome.
 
Because hardware engineering, product design, labor, shipping, tooling, support, sales, distribution, are all free.


Yes I believe they are each on the volunteer team. ;)

Seriously, right? Some people are just stupid.
 
since your a photographer i gotta ask, does the iPad support viewing of RAWs/NEFs or TIFFs?

Not a huge issue, although being a RAW shooter, it would be very nice to upload unedited photos for viewing, without having to convert to JPEG.

the whole point of raw is that you HAVE to convert... If you don't want to convert, then shoot jpg.

I don't want to convert raw files on my iPad - it'd be clunky, and there isn't enough memory on it anyway. However, it's a great portfolio viewer!, and that is worth the price right there.

I'm wondering if someone will come up with a way to put a wedding photo album in an app, so instead of delivering a client an album, you give them an iPad with their own custom "my wedding" app... which only costs about 2x an album anyway.
 
Apple has an overall gross margin of about 35% before taxes on sales. The iPad might be incrementally higher, but not much higher.

They have around 20% net profit or so. So taxes, R&D, and stuff comes out to 40% of gross profit. Roughly.

Feel free to pull current numbers from the financial statements on the Apple website.

Rocketman
 
I think what kills it for too many, are the iPhone owners.

We're sitting here going, ok, so you basically made a copy of my phone with a huge screen and no camera and I can't use it to make calls and text...so...it's not even as good as an iPhone relatively speaking...it's just a big iPod correct?

Oh, but I can plug a keyboard into it now? Yea. That's enough to slam $500 at Apple.

Where the eff is flash? (and for all of you going "Who cares?" I don't think you currently own an iDevice then...because yes. Flash matters...it kind of gets old being told "Oh sorry, you can't browse THIS page because...we use Flash. Sorry. Kkk. Bye now") So you see the iPad coming out and Steve Jobs is showing it off and you're all excited and he's on NYTimes and on the iPad, (the latest iDevice "update"), and right there on his presentation...you see it...that dreaded little "A flash embed is right here...but you can't see it because you DON'T have flash" and bam! That's the end for you. If I want an awesome web browser that can't process flash...yeeeea...I've got an iPhone...I'm fine, I'll pass thanks. I'll wait for the model that actually does something my phone DOESN'T ALREADY DO.

So all of you thinking we're WAITING for upgrades, yea, we're waiting for upgrades on a device we already have better specs on"

We're seeing that our extensively well thought out app collection is NULL for the iPad and we have to repurchase many to get "full iPad versions" because the ones we have will play on it...in the same size we already see it...ON OUR iPhone.

Oh yea, and you KNOW all of us iPhone owners were on pins and needles. Oh boy, FINALLY a full screen to carry over our need for touch! Here we go. (Watching presentation and Steve's build up) Ohboyohboyohboyohboy. (Presented) ...um? :What?: So...an iDevice...that's my phone resized...

So wait...(watching more) and...so you mean...no camera though? So...LESS than my device...(shows net surfing...dreaded no flash)...and they didn't address the flash thing?....(noticing lack of multitasking) and I still can't listen to Pandora and play with my photo collection...that I have to import from my external full size computer no less....right right. Gotcha.

And you resolve to yourself...yyyyeaaa thinkin I'll pass from downgrading my iPhone to an iPod with a huge screen and paying $500 dollars for it thanks.

And then shall we address the iPhone evolution? Because there were several steps before it was the 3Gs it is now...and soon rumor has it, a 4g is set to launch...all within 3 years...that means LESS than a YEAR per EACH upgrade people. So iPad is out...but guess what, I already have a BETTER one...it's called the iPhone...look it up folks. Oh and yes, 3g? Stiiillllll ATT. So...

Gimme 2 years to sit on thanks.

You realize you're not speaking for ALL iPhone users, don't you? I, for one, have 2 on order, a Wi-Fi only model and a 3G model. Want to know something? I expect my iPhone battery life to jump at least 50% because of it.
 
Just curious - can you touch type?

I can touch type on the iPhone, you just change what you use for references, I only look at the keys when I hav eto switch modes, so it is slower when you have a lot of numbers. I have only spent an hour or two with the ipad (waiting on 3G), but it seems possible for people to sustain very good typing rates on it. You do not actually need physical keys to touch type. Data certainly doesn't!
 
So far, Wifi only, average cost is $599 - times that by 524,262 = $314,032,938. Average cost, according to iSuppli, would be $298 - times that by units sold and you get $156,230,076.

So; if these people are correct, Apple pulled in $157,802,862.
Rough estimate.

Except that the iSuppli number was $259, not $298. You need to recalculate.
 
I'm quite content with my Macbook and Core i5 750 based desktop.

I've tried really hard to justify these cool touch devices but I don't have any utility for them to make up for their cost. My priorities and desires have changed over the years. I've learned to cope with Apple's letdowns so well that I'm ridiculously complacent with my Macbook and have very little hope for 10.7 to be an improvement.

Well, good luck.
My first computer was a PC with Windows. When i bought my first Mac, a iMac flat panel G4, i'd never heard of Apple computer., and it come without a keyboard. Upon fired it up i though: Windows never again. 1993 it was, i am typing on it right know.
And Windows never again still.

You cannot expect people to chase your dream for you, Apple walks it own "vision", and that is to have big balls. And i love them for that.

Risks = Errors = Challenge = Life.
 
Well, good luck.
My first computer was a PC with Windows. When i bought my first Mac, a iMac flat panel G4, i'd never heard of Apple computer., and it come without a keyboard. Upon fired it up i though: Windows never again. 1993 it was, i am typing on it right know.
And Windows never again still.

You cannot expect people to chase your dream for you, Apple walks it own "vision", and that is to have big balls. And i love them for that.

Risks = Errors = Challenge = Life.
Well, I haven't made a Time Machine backup in over two weeks. You can tell how much I use my Mac now.

I tried OS X only for a year. Never again I said.
 
This tells them nothing about how many were sold, only how many are being used on their clients websites.

That tells them how many were sold - at least a minimum. If 542,000 unique iPads have visited their clients' websites, then at least 542,000 iPads were sold (minus perhaps a few thousand on display in Apple Stores and Best Buy locations). The actual sales number must be higher.

LMAO... Describe "typical."

I can think of 2 products that apple produces that has INITIAL "hype fever"

Iphone and Ipad...

Apple is the best advertising company in the world... I admire them for that... but not for their crippled Iphone & Ipad.

Apple didn't hype the iPad. There was one press conference, one Jobs interview, and one ad that hasn't run all that much. The press did it on its own - obviously based on their experience that Apple products are worth writing about.

As for 'crippled', that's absurd. In what way was it crippled? Lack of Flash, USB, serial ports, eSATA ports, etc is not 'crippled'. It's simply a design tradeoff. Apple is smart enough to realize that you don't improve a product simply by adding features. Too bad the rest of the industry never understood that.

Are they counting the ipad that 19 year old high school student bought and smashed?

If he accessed one of the web sites covered by this company, then it would be included.

Given that number, it would mean that Apple has earned $125,293,628 in revenues from the iPad. (And thats assuming every iPad sold was of the $499 flavor)

If we assume 2/5 of the iPads sold were 32GB iPads, Apple has made almost $146,000,000

iSuppli's numbers are useless. They don't include any overheads, R&D, support, warranty, marketing, etc costs. A more realistic way to figure it is that Apple averages about 40% margin on iPhones, so call it the same. 550,000 iPads sold at an average of $600 (including accessories) is $330 M. At 40% gross margins, that's about $132 M gross margin. Overheads are typically around 20%, so, Apple probably earned $66 M in the first few days.

thats a huge number. i dont know.

300,000 sold included wifi models shipped into the channel and the pre-orders from the previous 2 weeks (yes i know 3G not included).

to then say..500,000 have been activated as of today...that seems like a stretch from Saturday...no?

Not really. 300,000 were sold on Saturday. Assume that all of them were activated by today. Now, Apple has had 3 more delivery days (and 4 more in-store sale days) to sell an extra 250,000 units. Not at all unreasonable.


I saw and used one for the first time today. Surprised at how heavy it was. It's not very comfortable to hold in one hand and type with another. It's a big iPod touch. I have a feeling that after the novelty wears off there's going to be a lot of unused iPads sitting around in people's homes.

Funny that the people who actually own them and have used them disagree with them. So who should we believe- the people who own the product or some Apple-bashing troll?

If you worry about holding a 1.5 pound slate in one hand and typing with the other, just what is the alternative? A 6 pound laptop? A 2.5 pound netbook - which is far clumsier to hold? Seems that it's your expectations that are pretty unrealistic. Lots of people don't have any problem holding 2-3 pound books.

I'm rather concerned about the lack of inspiration and motivation from these devices.

Right. That's why the whole world is talking about how they'll revolutionize the industry.

You people are so delusional.. iPad will replace the computer market, desktop will be left in oblivion in less than a decade..

Who ever said that the iPad was going to replace the entire computer market? That's a silly strawman argument.

Never heard of such precise estimates... 520,000 is an estimate. 524,642 is a guess :)

Wrong. An estimate is a figure obtained by some type of methodology. You create a formula and then plug in the data and get an estimated result. There's no rule that an estimate needs to be rounded to any given number of significant figures (although the last few digits are obviously not likely to be very accurate).

Minus one.
I came to my sences.
Returned it the very next day.
I know I've posted that fact before in another thread but I feel it needs to be repeated until the rest follow my lead
:)

Maybe you should repeat it until someone actually believes you. If that ever happens.

the whole point of raw is that you HAVE to convert... If you don't want to convert, then shoot jpg.

I don't want to convert raw files on my iPad - it'd be clunky, and there isn't enough memory on it anyway. However, it's a great portfolio viewer!, and that is worth the price right there.

I'm wondering if someone will come up with a way to put a wedding photo album in an app, so instead of delivering a client an album, you give them an iPad with their own custom "my wedding" app... which only costs about 2x an album anyway.

Exactly. The iPad is a media content VIEWER. It was never meant to be importing and Photoshopping multi-GB RAW files.

I like your idea (similar idea - Hyundai is going to be giving out an iPad with one of their high end cars - the owner's manual will be on the iPad). You COULD just put the photos onto the iPad and use Apple's software. A little clumsy, but my guess is that a bride who got her photos that way wouldn't mind that it's not quite as polished as what you'd like. Alternatively, go to Apple's developer forum and post a message with your idea to see if you can get someone interested.

Judging by how many people tried hard to make iPad look like a worthless piece of tech. I am sure  soon will brag about the numbers.

I'm guessing they'll announce when they hit the first million (about April 15, probably). Keep in mind several factors:
1. Pre-orders have not all shipped. Some were showing delivery dates of April 10 or later. Numbers will drop off after that preliminary surge is over.
2. Preliminary estimates were that the number of 3G orders would be comparable to the number of WiFi orders. That means that Apple will likely sell something like 500,000 3G units in the first few days.

Put it all together and you're probably looking at 2 million by the end of April.
 
This tells them nothing about how many were sold, only how many are being used on their clients websites.

That tells them how many were sold - at least a minimum. If 542,000 unique iPads have visited their clients' websites, then at least 542,000 iPads were sold (minus perhaps a few thousand on display in Apple Stores and Best Buy locations). The actual sales number must be higher.

LMAO... Describe "typical."

I can think of 2 products that apple produces that has INITIAL "hype fever"

Iphone and Ipad...

Apple is the best advertising company in the world... I admire them for that... but not for their crippled Iphone & Ipad.

Apple didn't hype the iPad. There was one press conference, one Jobs interview, and one ad that hasn't run all that much. The press did it on its own - obviously based on their experience that Apple products are worth writing about.

As for 'crippled', that's absurd. In what way was it crippled? Lack of Flash, USB, serial ports, eSATA ports, etc is not 'crippled'. It's simply a design tradeoff. Apple is smart enough to realize that you don't improve a product simply by adding features. Too bad the rest of the industry never understood that.

Are they counting the ipad that 19 year old high school student bought and smashed?

If he accessed one of the web sites covered by this company, then it would be included.

Given that number, it would mean that Apple has earned $125,293,628 in revenues from the iPad. (And thats assuming every iPad sold was of the $499 flavor)

If we assume 2/5 of the iPads sold were 32GB iPads, Apple has made almost $146,000,000

iSuppli's numbers are useless. They don't include any overheads, R&D, support, warranty, marketing, etc costs. A more realistic way to figure it is that Apple averages about 40% margin on iPhones, so call it the same. 550,000 iPads sold at an average of $600 (including accessories) is $330 M. At 40% gross margins, that's about $132 M gross margin. Overheads are typically around 20%, so, Apple probably earned $66 M in the first few days.

thats a huge number. i dont know.

300,000 sold included wifi models shipped into the channel and the pre-orders from the previous 2 weeks (yes i know 3G not included).

to then say..500,000 have been activated as of today...that seems like a stretch from Saturday...no?

Not really. 300,000 were sold on Saturday. Assume that all of them were activated by today. Now, Apple has had 3 more delivery days (and 4 more in-store sale days) to sell an extra 250,000 units. Not at all unreasonable.


I saw and used one for the first time today. Surprised at how heavy it was. It's not very comfortable to hold in one hand and type with another. It's a big iPod touch. I have a feeling that after the novelty wears off there's going to be a lot of unused iPads sitting around in people's homes.

Funny that the people who actually own them and have used them disagree with them. So who should we believe- the people who own the product or some Apple-bashing troll?

If you worry about holding a 1.5 pound slate in one hand and typing with the other, just what is the alternative? A 6 pound laptop? A 2.5 pound netbook - which is far clumsier to hold? Seems that it's your expectations that are pretty unrealistic. Lots of people don't have any problem holding 2-3 pound books.

I'm rather concerned about the lack of inspiration and motivation from these devices.

Right. That's why the whole world is talking about how they'll revolutionize the industry.

You people are so delusional.. iPad will replace the computer market, desktop will be left in oblivion in less than a decade..

Who ever said that the iPad was going to replace the entire computer market? That's a silly strawman argument.

Never heard of such precise estimates... 520,000 is an estimate. 524,642 is a guess :)

Wrong. An estimate is a figure obtained by some type of methodology. You create a formula and then plug in the data and get an estimated result. There's no rule that an estimate needs to be rounded to any given number of significant figures (although the last few digits are obviously not likely to be very accurate).

Minus one.
I came to my sences.
Returned it the very next day.
I know I've posted that fact before in another thread but I feel it needs to be repeated until the rest follow my lead
:)

Maybe you should repeat it until someone actually believes you. If that ever happens.

the whole point of raw is that you HAVE to convert... If you don't want to convert, then shoot jpg.

I don't want to convert raw files on my iPad - it'd be clunky, and there isn't enough memory on it anyway. However, it's a great portfolio viewer!, and that is worth the price right there.

I'm wondering if someone will come up with a way to put a wedding photo album in an app, so instead of delivering a client an album, you give them an iPad with their own custom "my wedding" app... which only costs about 2x an album anyway.

Exactly. The iPad is a media content VIEWER. It was never meant to be importing and Photoshopping multi-GB RAW files.

I like your idea (similar idea - Hyundai is going to be giving out an iPad with one of their high end cars - the owner's manual will be on the iPad). You COULD just put the photos onto the iPad and use Apple's software. A little clumsy, but my guess is that a bride who got her photos that way wouldn't mind that it's not quite as polished as what you'd like. Alternatively, go to Apple's developer forum and post a message with your idea to see if you can get someone interested.

Judging by how many people tried hard to make iPad look like a worthless piece of tech. I am sure  soon will brag about the numbers.

I'm guessing they'll announce when they hit the first million (about April 15, probably). Keep in mind several factors:
1. Pre-orders have not all shipped. Some were showing delivery dates of April 10 or later. Numbers will drop off after that preliminary surge is over.
2. Preliminary estimates were that the number of 3G orders would be comparable to the number of WiFi orders. That means that Apple will likely sell something like 500,000 3G units in the first few days.

Put it all together and you're probably looking at 2 million by the end of April.
 
Except that the iSuppli number was $259, not $298. You need to recalculate.

I am sure they ignore those overwork engineers Apple almost enslave (i read somewhere that they work long hours like horses).
When you estimate the cost of a thing do they calculate how much time and money were invested?
 
Well, good luck.
My first computer was a PC with Windows. When i bought my first Mac, a iMac flat panel G4, i'd never heard of Apple computer., and it come without a keyboard. Upon fired it up i though: Windows never again. 1993 it was, i am typing on it right know.
And Windows never again still.

Cool. Can I borrow your time machine?

In the rest of the world, the G4 iMac was release in 2002.
http://lowendmac.com/imacs/15in-imac-g4-700-800-mhz.html
 
Anti-iPad crowd is great for lulz!

Prior to launch: "Apple will sell none of these things, biggest flop ever."

Praise from tech reviewers prior to release: "Well of course they'll give them a good review. Who wants to make jobs angry?"

Sellout of initial launch units, no more preorders: " Pft probably just Apple trying to generate hype".

Initial sales numbers are released (of only wifi ipad mind you): "Yawn whatever. That was only mac fanbois and zelots. Lets see how the numbers stack up over time" (secretly::mad:)

Reports of issues on iPad (analogous to a peice of meat thrown to hungry wolves/bears/something dangerous): look see we told you this thing sux!

And then what really blows my mind is that in the same breath these same people say: "Thanks for testing it for me so I can have a better rev 2 iPad" :confused: which is apparently the 2nd revision of the worst device in history.

Thanks guys ya'll are awesome.



That is quite true.
It become insulting when these critics express their views as a mater of fact and not as their views.

I'll never bother to spite on anyones choice, because I'm sure they'll think: ---- So What, is it your effort/money?
 
snip.... and for the same reason Macs are the Gold Standard of computing: <snip

Unfortunately, the US left the gold standard in 1933, England and Japan in 1931. The world runs on the bronze standard, Windows, and will for the near future.
 
Just add him to your ignore list, its what I do. It can actually be entertaining to see his posts hidden, guess what he's saying, then clicking to see how right you are. Its like *LTD* Bingo.
I am kind of a newbie here and I don't know how to do an ignore list, but I really really want to do that. There are some of the stupidest children in the world posting here and it would save so much time to just fly past their hatred of all things Apple. How do you do it, please?
 
If we go further

$125,822,880 - Marketing - R&D= real total

Well a lot of people on here a couple of weeks ago were saying there would be no R & D costs because it's just a big iPod Touch. So you can enter 0 in for that number :p
 
I am kind of a newbie here and I don't know how to do an ignore list, but I really really want to do that. There are some of the stupidest children in the world posting here and it would save so much time to just fly past their hatred of all things Apple. How do you do it, please?

Why ignore them?
If people bother to trow a stone, then they are interested.
Just play with their own words.
 
Well a lot of people on here a couple of weeks ago were saying there would be no R & D costs because it's just a big iPod Touch. So you can enter 0 in for that number :p

Also need to subtract the cost of manufacture. iSuppli likes to pretend if you buy a pile of parts they magically assemble themselves into fully functioning devices.
 
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