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iPad Stylus - One that is pointy?
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I didn't know there was such a big crossover between people interested in the iPad and those who still practice the quaint art of handwriting.
I was interested in styli for sketching but found that between the need to avoid resting ones hand on the iPad, and the sheer unresponsiveness of capacitive styli the whole experience was reduced to a sort of childrens' toy impression of an active digitiser. Frankly, horrible.
Milano were kind enough to send me one of their stylii, the one with the angled tip, which I basically berated for being horribly inaccurate, and needing a perfect angle to be usable at all. Also, these things are really, really short and perfectly smooth... Lacking the grip and length necessary for anything bar, as mentioned earlier, a piece of chalk or a crayon. Hopefully the iPad will push some serious development in this area.
The second stylus from Milano is a little better, the rounded tip affords more flexibility of posture and a greater accuracy, but still isn't exactly comfortable.
I think the onus is on Apple to squeeze an active digitiser into the iPad. I am sure we'd all agree that such a combination is the holy grail of input.
I was interested in styli for sketching but found that between the need to avoid resting ones hand on the iPad, and the sheer unresponsiveness of capacitive styli the whole experience was reduced to a sort of childrens' toy impression of an active digitiser. Frankly, horrible.
Milano were kind enough to send me one of their stylii, the one with the angled tip, which I basically berated for being horribly inaccurate, and needing a perfect angle to be usable at all. Also, these things are really, really short and perfectly smooth... Lacking the grip and length necessary for anything bar, as mentioned earlier, a piece of chalk or a crayon. Hopefully the iPad will push some serious development in this area.
The second stylus from Milano is a little better, the rounded tip affords more flexibility of posture and a greater accuracy, but still isn't exactly comfortable.
I think the onus is on Apple to squeeze an active digitiser into the iPad. I am sure we'd all agree that such a combination is the holy grail of input.
Nothing beats the speed of pen when drawing chemical structures..... 😛
Thanks for the suggestions!
new ten one stylus this week
according to ten one design's website, their new ipad gear (which, i assume, includes the new stylus they've been talking about) drops within the week.
if the new one turns out not to be better than the sketch, i think i'll just cave and get the sketch.
according to ten one design's website, their new ipad gear (which, i assume, includes the new stylus they've been talking about) drops within the week.
if the new one turns out not to be better than the sketch, i think i'll just cave and get the sketch.
iPad stylus - Pendel
I bought a pogo so i could use my iPad for taking meeting notes. Didn't feel natural with the round tip. Bought a Pendel stylus (www.pendel.com.au) which has a point and easy to write with. It's thicker than the pogo but very good to write with.
I bought a pogo so i could use my iPad for taking meeting notes. Didn't feel natural with the round tip. Bought a Pendel stylus (www.pendel.com.au) which has a point and easy to write with. It's thicker than the pogo but very good to write with.
Treebark
macrumors 6502
Maybe you just like flowery prose? If not, I sure hope you don't have others judge you as you have the products and company above!!! 😱
On the active digitizer comment, I disagree it is the holy grail. I have used several over the years. Maybe for precise input for an artist or somebody doing technical work, but for the masses (or at least people who just want a simple input system without requiring additional objects that can be lost) something that allows the finger to manipulate the touch screen is preferable imo. Do I wish I had near pixel perfect accuracy on the iPad? Sure. Would I give up touch input with a finger for that accuracy? Absolutely not.
As for palm rejection, while it worked great on my last fujitsu tablet, Note Taker HD's creative input method makes it unneeded.
As for a pointy stylus....not sure we will ever see one. The iPad expects a meaty finger. I am sure there is a minimum size that will register as a finger, but that size is likely larger than a point. Here's hoping though (and that it includes a pen as well as stylus tip...might as well make it a pressurized Fisher space pen refill to boot 😀)
lotusindigo
macrumors regular
They had better be honest this time. They kept saying that the new stuff would be out by the end of the month... for the past two months. I'm waiting.
I Have this one, and it is great for painting apps, or other apps where you have no problems to use a brush; but the tip is very soft, so if you use it too lightly it won't work well to write; and if you use too much pressure the tip act like a brush, opening up.
Still don't see a solution to get a nice slim tip that is also able to work on both iphone and ipad.....if we look at the touch technology; it is optimized for small screens and big fingers; while with the ipad, the extra screen estate is not used proportionally; you can be more precise due the bigger screen, but if it is not implemented there is not too much to do.
I still use my paper pad for serious notes handwritten; or even my old palm zire; to take notes typing i use the BT keyboard and the ipad
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Treebark
macrumors 6502
So on the Pendel you write with the pointy end, which I am guessing looks like 1-2mm (1/16th of an inch) in diameter and not the eraser looking end that looks more like 5mm (1/4 of an inch) in diameter? Just wanted to be sure. Can you use both top and bottom? It is hard to tell form just the photo on their site. I know it shows the pointy end towards the iPad, but its just a photo and I assume not to scale, otherwise that Pendel dwarfs the iPad!!!
Is the tip holding up well? Wish the part you hold onto wasn't so thick, but hey, that point looks nice!
Ordered the Pendel last night, this morning received and email from Paypal informing me that the merchant was sending me a full refund. The excuse being "Due to extremely high demand for product, our manufacturer has asked us to stop processing orders indefinitely. A full refund will be issued"
Also checked out the Ten One site, seems we've all been waiting for a new designed case and clip for the pogo sketch and NOT in fact for a better designed Pogo....or am I mistaken?😱 http://tenonedesign.com/particle
You're not mistaken. I was also waiting for a new better Pogo stylus and I'm very disappointed by this release. I have the old pogo and it doesn't work properly anymore, I have to press it so much that the metal part touches the screen at times and scratches it. Not good. 😡
I'm in need of a better one and that Pendel one looked good enough. Too bad they're not selling them anymore. 🙁
Pogo emailed me and said that they had new stuff coming at the end of the summer...
I got a Sketch in the meantime.
I got a Sketch in the meantime.
I love flowery prose, I couldn't pretend to be a writer without it! Ha! I don't think I could emphasize enough just how horrible using the angled tip capacitive stylus was, though.
I certainly wouldn't want an active digitiser added to the iPad at the cost of the Capacitive multi-touch input. However, active digitisers have a "range" which is far greater than that of a multi-touch panel.
If you've ever used a graphics tablet you'll know what I mean, you can hover the stylus over the tablet without actually touching the surface to move the mouse cursor around. What this would mean in terms of the iPad is that an active digitiser layer could be squeezed behind the capacitive input layer, screen and glass whilst still being, in theory, functional.
It's never going to happen, but it's also irrefutably the holy grail of input. To have an iPad switch into active-only input when it senses a pen hovering over or touching its surface would be glorious, and fantastic for all sorts of artsy fartsy endeavours. A pen-sized, pen-shaped, pressure and tilt sensitive ... err.. pen... to use on the iPad would be wonderful. Not to mention that (at least in the world of Wacom) active digitiser input devices use an inductive power system, so no batteries to mess about with either.
I'm definitely going to have to get my hands on some more styli.
Here's what TenOne sent me a little while ago in an e-mail response, so perhaps there is something to look forward to still:
"by the end of the summer." Ugh. I think I'll just cave and get the Sketch. Am I right that the Sketch is so far considered imperfect, but the best of what is available? Does anyone really hate it?
I just received a Dagi stylus, bought on eBay, shipped directly from Taiwan. It may not look "pointy," but it works as if it is.
You sort of have to ignore the red dot that is supposed to indicate where the "tip" of the pen is--at least in the drawing app I tried it out in (ArtStudio)--but the sensory feedback is so much better than with the Pogo Sketch, it's very easy to treat it just like a regular pencil or pen. So, the dot may be off, but the "feel" of where the pen is placed feels exactly right. It also worked better for me with just dragging and tapping. I didn't have to put extra pressure on it like with the Pogo Sketch, which made my hand tired. It was smooth and responsive. I think they've just come out with one that is supposed to be even more responsive in drawing apps, but I have no complaints with this one. I think I may love it. But I'll take it out on a few more dates first.
You sort of have to ignore the red dot that is supposed to indicate where the "tip" of the pen is--at least in the drawing app I tried it out in (ArtStudio)--but the sensory feedback is so much better than with the Pogo Sketch, it's very easy to treat it just like a regular pencil or pen. So, the dot may be off, but the "feel" of where the pen is placed feels exactly right. It also worked better for me with just dragging and tapping. I didn't have to put extra pressure on it like with the Pogo Sketch, which made my hand tired. It was smooth and responsive. I think they've just come out with one that is supposed to be even more responsive in drawing apps, but I have no complaints with this one. I think I may love it. But I'll take it out on a few more dates first.
pendel...?
Looked at Pendel's website today... (www.pendel.com.au)
1. A new product titled "Pendel 2" was out that looked almost exactly like the pogo sketch.
2. The old one is out of stock
3. Now their website is down........😱
I've tried everything to get it back up but it's just not my problem to fix...
Edit: their website came back up literally right after I posted this. Aren't I dumb 😛
And how come when I google "Pendel stylus" almost nothing but this forum thread comes up...?😕
Looked at Pendel's website today... (www.pendel.com.au)
1. A new product titled "Pendel 2" was out that looked almost exactly like the pogo sketch.
2. The old one is out of stock
3. Now their website is down........😱
I've tried everything to get it back up but it's just not my problem to fix...
Edit: their website came back up literally right after I posted this. Aren't I dumb 😛
And how come when I google "Pendel stylus" almost nothing but this forum thread comes up...?😕
I think Duke10020421 is a marketing plant(or the owner of the whole run from a basement operation) for Pendel. I doubt the initial stylus ever existed, and it is running a bait and switch.
I think people need to come to terms with the fact that a pointed stylus isn't technically feasible for a capacitive screen.
After using the Pogo Sketch a few times, I started to like it, and I think I could get pretty good with using it for drawing and writing. Downsides are that I find I have to press kind of hard, which makes it more likely i need to rest my hand on the screen (I was using a glove with three fingers cut out), and I'm not confident the tip is always going to recover its shape after a day spent smushing and deforming it. But I liked it better than fingerpainting.
Now with the Dagi, I find it much easier to get accurate line placement and to write even small text. I like it much more than the Pogo Sketch. It's a longer pen, feels heftier, and the lighter touch on the screen means i haven't needed to pull out that glove. I've seen no signs of the harder tip scratching anything.
But if I hadn't bitten the bullet and ordered a bunch of Dagis, I would probably have kept happily using the Pogo.
Treebark
macrumors 6502
Boxwave has 7 iphone 4 cases free for today (I think?) so I ordered one and their marketing scheme worked because I also ordered they capacitive stylus that has a writing pen on the other end, something I have been REALLY wanting. Not pointy, but at least it is 1/3 the way there for my needs (1/3 a writing pen, 2/3 that writing pen being a Fisher space pen refill, 3/3 the capacitive end being pointy).
http://www.boxwave.com/products/capacitivestyra/index.htm
http://www.boxwave.com/products/capacitivestyra/index.htm
Best stylus ever (with my mod):
I have the Pogo (good, but sticky).
I've used these since the touch days
http://cgi.ebay.com/3X-STYLUS-PEN-A...ccessories&hash=item20b1a0a20a#ht_2434wt_1137
Problem was they conduct very well, but have a soft rubbery tip that sticks.
Mod: I stretch a small piece of nylon (like panty hose stuff), and tape it down (on the barrel)....sensitivity is great....slides like ice....not that pretty, but I'm working on that too...
I prefer working with a stylus.....precise, and no fingerprints....if you don't: don't yell at me...
BTW they're cheap as hell
I have the Pogo (good, but sticky).
I've used these since the touch days
http://cgi.ebay.com/3X-STYLUS-PEN-A...ccessories&hash=item20b1a0a20a#ht_2434wt_1137
Problem was they conduct very well, but have a soft rubbery tip that sticks.
Mod: I stretch a small piece of nylon (like panty hose stuff), and tape it down (on the barrel)....sensitivity is great....slides like ice....not that pretty, but I'm working on that too...
I prefer working with a stylus.....precise, and no fingerprints....if you don't: don't yell at me...
BTW they're cheap as hell
Pendel controversy
Recently in this thread some discussion about the Pendel an it's legitimacy. I wrote to pendel about a few issues. Below is the conversation for your reference.
Email:
Hi Josh,
I wanted to try and clear up some confusions I had about the Pendel stylus. *I usually try to research these kinds of things myself, but Google and Bing showed next to nothing on the Pendel. *Your website was no where to be found in the search results. *Any idea why that might be? *Secondly, I can't seem to find out whether or not the Pendel 1's fine tip is compatible with the capacitive touch screens of the iPhone or if it's only made for resistive touch screens. *Thirdly, seeing that the Pendel 2 looks almost exactly like the Pogo Sketch, I'm not sure if it would be a good tool for precise handwriting to take notes with. *Lastly, would you mind explaining what the counter is in the top right of the website? *It moves too fast to be days or months so I wasn't sure what it was counting, exactly. *Thanks so much for your help. *Can't wait to hear back from you.
Reply:
Thank you for your note.
Your feedback on our website listing on Bing/Google is important to us. On launching our website we advertised using a very small campaign on Google and Facebook. The response was well beyond what we could sustain in orders. We havent completed any forms of SEO, nor have we been in touch with tech bloggers. I hope this answers your question.
The Pendel 1 does work on a capacitive type screen, the soft tip means it performs poorly on resistive surfaces. Our last manufactured batch saw a very high failure rate of the stylus tip, where it would break of under low stress. We are working hard to fix this, but unfortunately I don't have a date to provide you.
Yes, the Pendel 2 is similar to the Pogo in its size. The key point of difference is the conductive foam and aluminum used in the Pendel. It provides very good conductive response without damaging the screen. It is a proven design that performs well.
Some customers have commented on the accuracy of a stylus for taking notes on a conductive style screen. Often good note taking software which enables line smoothing and palm rest support provides good results for note taking. I use Penultimate (iPad) with my Pendel.
The counter links to our inventory system, its not perfect, but provides an indiction when stock is replenished and units remaining. I have changed the wording on the site based on your feedback. Thank you.
Regards,
Josh*
Recently in this thread some discussion about the Pendel an it's legitimacy. I wrote to pendel about a few issues. Below is the conversation for your reference.
Email:
Hi Josh,
I wanted to try and clear up some confusions I had about the Pendel stylus. *I usually try to research these kinds of things myself, but Google and Bing showed next to nothing on the Pendel. *Your website was no where to be found in the search results. *Any idea why that might be? *Secondly, I can't seem to find out whether or not the Pendel 1's fine tip is compatible with the capacitive touch screens of the iPhone or if it's only made for resistive touch screens. *Thirdly, seeing that the Pendel 2 looks almost exactly like the Pogo Sketch, I'm not sure if it would be a good tool for precise handwriting to take notes with. *Lastly, would you mind explaining what the counter is in the top right of the website? *It moves too fast to be days or months so I wasn't sure what it was counting, exactly. *Thanks so much for your help. *Can't wait to hear back from you.
Reply:
Thank you for your note.
Your feedback on our website listing on Bing/Google is important to us. On launching our website we advertised using a very small campaign on Google and Facebook. The response was well beyond what we could sustain in orders. We havent completed any forms of SEO, nor have we been in touch with tech bloggers. I hope this answers your question.
The Pendel 1 does work on a capacitive type screen, the soft tip means it performs poorly on resistive surfaces. Our last manufactured batch saw a very high failure rate of the stylus tip, where it would break of under low stress. We are working hard to fix this, but unfortunately I don't have a date to provide you.
Yes, the Pendel 2 is similar to the Pogo in its size. The key point of difference is the conductive foam and aluminum used in the Pendel. It provides very good conductive response without damaging the screen. It is a proven design that performs well.
Some customers have commented on the accuracy of a stylus for taking notes on a conductive style screen. Often good note taking software which enables line smoothing and palm rest support provides good results for note taking. I use Penultimate (iPad) with my Pendel.
The counter links to our inventory system, its not perfect, but provides an indiction when stock is replenished and units remaining. I have changed the wording on the site based on your feedback. Thank you.
Regards,
Josh*
Which DAGI model are people buying? They seem to have more than one that says it works with the iPad and their web site isn't clear as to the differences.