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The 2020 iPad Pro is technically just the previous gen, it’s not fair that it doesn’t get this feature. It’s a $1000 device!
Capitalism aside, it may have been that Apple wanted this only on 8GB+ ram devices. This feature would be pointless if apps kept refreshing.
 
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"Desktop-like windowing" has been around for decades now. Apple has the power to let all currently supported iPads use windowing (albeit fewer windows the less RAM you have), they just choose not to do so.



Virtual memory has been around for sixty years, and 310 MB/s is plenty for virtual memory. Again, Apple just arbitrarily chooses not to let other iPads use it.
310 MB/s is okay for virtual memory but it absolutely will create a noticeable performance hit at that bandwidth, and then you'd have countless 2018/2020 iPad Pro users screaming that Apple hobbled their perfectly usable devices on purpose to get them to upgrade. Going from a RAM-only solution to a swap solution at those write speeds will absolutely be noticeable.
 
Glad you don't want to multitask on your mini. I refuse to use anything bigger than a mini in tablet form and I'm tired of it being repeatedly shafted like it's an afterthought device.
cool I get that, but its the mini its basically just a cool e-reader consumption device, sounds like you need a laptop not a tablet if you dont won't bigger than mini in tablet form
 
Got a 75” touch screen at work connected to a windows laptop, I find it pretty prostrating to use with the touchscreen alone, I keep having to dart back to laptop to do fiddly things. It’d be amazing if an ipad could be plugged in and effectively turn it into a 75” 4K ipad.
 
The most affordable iPad that supports the Stage Manager feature is actually not the 64GB fifth-generation M1 iPad Air. It is only supported by the 256GB version.
 
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I think it would certainly be technically possible on my 12.9" iPad with A12X. Something like that always disappoints me very much:(((
 
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The most affordable iPad that supports the Stage Manager feature is actually not the 64GB fifth-generation M1 iPad Air. It is only supported by the 256GB version.
Is that confirmed? Apple's website says "Available on iPad Air (5th generation), iPad Pro 12.9-inch (5th generation), and iPad Pro 11-inch (3rd generation)."
 
I can see why people are upset but I strongly suspect this is because of the M1’s increased memory (at least 8GB) and support for the new swap feature that was mentioned yesterday too. In short, desktop-like windowing needs a desktop-like CPU. But the good news is that from this point on, all “serious” iPads will have at least the M1.
2018 iPad Pro with A12X was announced on stage saying it was faster than 92% of laptops sold in the prev year.. 10 years old laptops can handle windows and external screens.. A12 is way more powerful than what is needed for external monitor support. Apple could give us less apps (than 4+4) IF performance is an issue.
 
Is it possible that this is a temporary beta limitation until they improve the feature's efficiency?
Does any official documentation state that only M1 iPads will support it?

Edit: indeed the iPadOS 16 page says this. Darn :(
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*Sigh*

So many complaining about iPad productivity...

If you can't use an iPad because your workflow doesn't allow it, don't get one.

But to say that it isn't "productive" is plain-old FALSE.

You can get most things done on iPad, but it is done DIFFERENTLY. I had to LEARN to use an iPad.

I think that's the root of most complaints: people wanted the iPad to be a Microsoft Surface, something that Apple did not (could not?) want to do.

The iPad has always been a different device than a Mac. And there are things the iPad can do that the Mac CANNOT.

The ad Apple ran about "what's a computer" or whatever perfectly exemplifies how the iPad is all the computer I will ever need.

So all these new iPad features are a cherry-on-top scenario for me, because the once it got M1 the iPad was already everything I needed it to be: a touch-first and hand-held first Tablet, the way Steve Jobs intended.

Welcome, to be sure, but I was already an iPad multitouch, multitasking, Pencil-twirling Jedi... I mean... SITH Master.
iPad is not productive, period
 
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I have an older 11" iPad Pro. I don't really care that much about all the Stage Manager features, but I really don't understand why they can't at least allow the older Pros to run on an external monitor without the black bars on the sides - I'd even be fine if it had to run in some "clamshell mode" with the iPad screen off. Surely they have enough power to do this and still leave the virtual memory and multi app running stuff to the M1s? So annoying!
 
Is it possible that this is a temporary beta limitation until they improve the feature's efficiency?
Does any official documentation state that only M1 iPads will support it?

Edit: indeed the iPadOS 16 page says this. Darn :(
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I wonder if the Preview Betas are only available on the M1s because Apple wants to avoid performance related bugs being reported on lower spec hardware right now.
 
Could Apple have brought resizable windows to older iPads? Of course they could, even with 6 GB of RAM. Come on. A 12Z/X is most definitely powerful enough to handle a few apps at the same time whilst outputting to an external display without black borders.

This doesn't affect me since I have the M1 Pro, but it sucks for people who have bought the older revisions. I also feel like people buy into the Pro product line with a certain expectation that Apple will continue to support them with the latest software for at least a few years down the line.
 
310 MB/s is okay for virtual memory but it absolutely will create a noticeable performance hit at that bandwidth, and then you'd have countless 2018/2020 iPad Pro users screaming that Apple hobbled their perfectly usable devices on purpose to get them to upgrade. Going from a RAM-only solution to a swap solution at those write speeds will absolutely be noticeable.
In daily usage, including things like opening and switching apps, the difference between SATA and NVMe SSD speeds (basically the difference between late model A-series iPads and the M1 iPads) is hardly noticeable.
 
I don't think it's about fairness. What I find really really terrible is that the A12Z could easily handle the feature too and they're just gate keeping it 'because'
It’s the Apple way.

I’m sure there are examples that date back farther than this, but the earliest example of this type of behavior that I can recall is when Apple launched the iPad mini (1st gen) with Siri, but the iPad 2 which I had at the time wasn’t allowed to have Siri. Exactly same SoC between the two products. But mine was “old” so I wasn’t privileged enough to get that feature on my iPad.

Really silly.
 
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I have an older 11" iPad Pro. I don't really care that much about all the Stage Manager features, but I really don't understand why they can't at least allow the older Pros to run on an external monitor without the black bars on the sides - I'd even be fine if it had to run in some "clamshell mode" with the iPad screen off. Surely they have enough power to do this and still leave the virtual memory and multi app running stuff to the M1s? So annoying!
Exactly. Give me at least external screen support with iPad screen off. I am fine with that.
 
If the a12z could run macOS in the Apple silicon developer transition kit, and macOS has a complex windowing mechanism compared to spring board, then why doesn’t the a12x iPad Pro support the new feature?

All that being said I tried the beta of Ventura and I don’t like the current implementation of stage manager. It’s not well integrated with mission control. And if you’re using an app that then brings up a modal dialog in a new window, that kicks the app back into the dock and shifts the focus completely to the new dialog. It’s very jarring and I don’t understand how apple uses that feature on a day to day basis.

I also don’t like the settings app. If they gave the ability to sort the settings in alphabetical order then that would be cool. But as it stands the settings are laid out in an almost random order that makes no sense my brain, and there’s latency between the setting I’m looking for and actually locating where it is.
 
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Sucks but not unexpected due to 4GB Ram. The iPad 2020 became the iPad 3
2020 iPad has 6GB of RAM. M1 has 8GB. But unfortunately I see your parallel with iPad 3. It was already crazy it got the same SOC A12. Apple was preparing to M1 and they wanted to say how much faster it is than the previous generation..
 
Macrumers peeps: We want iPadOS to take advantage of the M1’s ridiculous power.

Apple updates iPadOS to use the power of the M1 chip.

Macrumers peeps: Why can’t my non M1 iPad get these features.

Lol 🤦🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️
I don’t care about 8K prores video editing and photoshop in the same time. I just want external monitor support which a decade old laptop can do just fine.
 
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