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No way Apple could justify calling this a Pro device until it does more than Samsung.
Right now their phones don't do half. I know, I just switched a few months ago from Note 9 to XS Max.

It's a joke in comparison.

Like going from a device you can truly make your own and customize in every conceivable way, use double screens, hook up to your PC and run its OS from there, use the pen to control the camera and take pictures from any bluetooth distance.

Samsung also has the basics like haptic feedback in their keyboards.
They have notifications that make sense and are truly customization.
They also have different volume settings for different apps and kind of apps.
You don't have to set the volume for a given app or sound while it's playing etc. etc....
There will be nothing pro about this phone except the monstrous price.
I'm predicting 1799 for the 512 g phone.
 
I am talking about desktop experience. With Dex, one gets multiple resizable windows, mouse, keyboard and up to 12 GB of RAM. iPad Pro does not have this.

I get keyboard support. I get resizable windows (and multiple of them on iOS 13). Mouse and RAM are irrelevant - who the hell uses 12 GB or RAM for office?
 
I can understand "pro" users for laptops and maybe even tablets but phones? Are they customer service agents who use a smartphone all day? Voice actors? Competitive texters?


Most likely Photographers, Videographers, and 3D/AR Content Creators. Hence the triple lens camera.
 
I really don’t think iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Pro, and iPhone 11R is going to be the names. If they’re adding the Pro brand, then it makes more sense for the lineup to be just iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro. The “R” model will be the iPhone 11, and the “Pro” will be the triple lens phones with 2 different sizes. No specific branding for the larger phone. Just iPhone 11 Pro.
 
Apple went full circle, this was the exact problem when Jobs got back to the company. He said there was so many products and so many version and naming that even he couldn't tell what is the difference. He came up with the 4x4 product grid Consumer/Pro * Desktop/mobile
 
iPhone 11
iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone 11 Air

It aligns with their MacBook portfolio, so makes sense, I guess. Used to align with their iPad line-up too, but who knows what’s going on there with their names these days. It’s been a long time since I cared enough to look into it further, but if they haven’t, they should rename the iPads like so:

iPad (previously known as “iPad Mini”)
iPad Pro
iPad Air (previously known as “iPad”, and before that, “iPad Air”.)
 
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I hope people finally start waking up to the crap Apple pulls when calling its better models “Pro”. It’s meaningless unadulterated marketing, pure and simple. Calling a phone Pro might be the final nail that does this; as if a “Pro” monitor stand wasn’t already. Apple has become a parody.

I use an iPad “Pro” 10.5”, but there’s nothing Pro about it. It’s completely, 100%, a consumer gadget/device. It just happens to be a nicer experience than the similar 10.5” “Air” model, which they deliberately crippled. Because apparently you have to be “Pro” to want better stereo speakers with which to watch movies and play games.

You absolutely nailed it.
 
It will be Pro in name only, just to try to "con"vince people to buy this year's iPhone instead of waiting for the 2020 or 2021 version for 5G. They must really be worried about potential lack of sales for 2019!
 
Once again Apple is at the forefront of innovation. They just released their most expensive phone to date; how can they get people to spend even more money on the next model? Call it the "Pro" model. Goddammit Apple, you did it again.
 
If one of the new iPhones is called "iPhone Pro" i wonder what new features it will have, the iPad Pro has different features to the normal iPad (Apple Pencil 2). I wonder if the Apple Pencil will work with the bigger 6.5" iPhone Pro.
 
No way Apple could justify calling this a Pro device until it does more than Samsung.
So, until macOS does more than Windows, they should not be allowed to sell a computer named 'Mac Pro'?
Right now their phones don't do half. I know, I just switched a few months ago from Note 9 to XS Max.

It's a joke in comparison.

Like going from a device you can truly make your own and customize in every conceivable way, use double screens, hook up to your PC and run its OS from there, use the pen to control the camera and take pictures from any bluetooth distance.

Samsung also has the basics like haptic feedback in their keyboards.
They have notifications that make sense and are truly customization.
They also have different volume settings for different apps and kind of apps.
You don't have to set the volume for a given app or sound while it's playing etc. etc....
What does any of this (except for the pen) have to do with phone hardware? Some people get their panties into a bunch with the 'Pro' label on MacBooks and iPads but the differentiation in terms of hardware features to the non-Pro models is pretty obvious. If there is an iPhone 11 and an iPhone 11 Pro and the 'Pro' model is clearly differentiated in terms of hardware what do the software features of iOS (that will be same on the non-pro and the pro iPhone) compared with Android phones have to with whether applying a label that expresses a higher level to one phone model is justified or not?

The 'Pro' label in all kinds of products just indicates that something is the better model compared to a non-Pro sister model. It doesn't mean that something has features that a true professional requires. With phones anybody who uses her or his phone predominantly for work purposes would be by some definition a 'pro user'. The software features you mentioned might be important to some but how they relate to needs that somebody that uses their phone mainly for work might have is not really clear.
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I use an iPad “Pro” 10.5”, but there’s nothing Pro about it. It’s completely, 100%, a consumer gadget/device. It just happens to be a nicer experience than the similar 10.5” “Air” model, which they deliberately crippled. Because apparently you have to be “Pro” to want better stereo speakers with which to watch movies and play games.
How dare a company sell two different models in a product category with one having better/more features than the other. That is a deliberate crippling of the lesser model, how dare they.
 
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2017: iPhone Plus
2018: iPhone Max
2019: iPhone Pro
2020: iPhone Edition
2021: iPhone Extreme
2022: iPhone Expert
2023: iPhone Super-Duper
2024: iPhone XXL
2025: iPhone Jumbo
2026: iPhone Mammoth
2027: iPhone Titanic
.... and so 2027 will be the year that iPhone finally sinks to the bottom.
 
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No way Apple could justify calling this a Pro device until it does more than Samsung.
Right now their phones don't do half. I know, I just switched a few months ago from Note 9 to XS Max.

It's a joke in comparison.

Like going from a device you can truly make your own and customize in every conceivable way, use double screens, hook up to your PC and run its OS from there, use the pen to control the camera and take pictures from any bluetooth distance.

Samsung also has the basics like haptic feedback in their keyboards.
They have notifications that make sense and are truly customization.
They also have different volume settings for different apps and kind of apps.
You don't have to set the volume for a given app or sound while it's playing etc. etc....
There will be nothing pro about this phone except the monstrous price.
I'm predicting 1799 for the 512 g phone.

And yet you still switched from the Note 9 to the iPhone? Hmmmm.
 
No way Apple could justify calling this a Pro device until it does more than Samsung.
Right now their phones don't do half. I know, I just switched a few months ago from Note 9 to XS Max.

It's a joke in comparison.

Like going from a device you can truly make your own and customize in every conceivable way, use double screens, hook up to your PC and run its OS from there, use the pen to control the camera and take pictures from any bluetooth distance.

Samsung also has the basics like haptic feedback in their keyboards.
They have notifications that make sense and are truly customization.
They also have different volume settings for different apps and kind of apps.
You don't have to set the volume for a given app or sound while it's playing etc. etc....
There will be nothing pro about this phone except the monstrous price.
I'm predicting 1799 for the 512 g phone.
Aside from

On screen widgets
Spilt screen
Picture in picture

There is nothing on the samsung that you will not have on the max...apple have caught up in most features so really not only does the iPhone have the ecosystem with support and updates feature wise there is no longer a gap. So to say iPhones don’t do half as much is completely false.

As for notifications? Notifications are far better on the iPhone. On android they are trash to me and a big reason for me moving back to the iPhone. Never mind the fact you get notifications all at once when you unlock the Samsung while on the iPhone it can be locked for hours and still get notifications...paying a grand for a phone that doesn’t give you notifications on time? Cmon.
 
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