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I’m going to ask, how many of you have perfectly working cables? Because mines break every few months. New iPhone, new cable. What’s wrong with that. These cables that we use several times every single day don’t last forever.

If your cables break every few months you might want to look into why that's happening for you - lots of folks don't seem to have the problem. I have plenty of perfectly working cables in various lengths. No broken cables in years of usage.
 
Gotta love marketing! Eliminating product accessories (ear buds) and necessary parts (charging brick) are a “commitment to the environment.” Eliminating the headphone jack was “a courageous move.” How could anyone not laud Apple for being environmentally forward and courageous? No matter that you now have to buy other things to get the same functionality.

The real highlight of Apple’s announcements is seeing what things will be taken away from the consumer in new products, and how they spin that to make it something you feel good about. True masters of the art they are.

Not a fan of these decisions as an owner/user of Apple products. Fortunately I no longer have any need or compulsion to upgrade devices often and I reduce the financial impact by skipping several generations between purchases, and when I do buy I avoid the most egregious depreciation cost by buying last year’s model after price reductions. But that’s just me.
 
The XS and 11 aren’t comparable models. With comparing the 8 to 7 no the same couldn’t be said. The differences are minor compared with the changes in the 12.

Again what do you think Apple should have done? They could have said screw the environment and keep the status quo but other than that I’m not sure what they could have done. Do you have a better solution other than not liking what Apple did? I sure don’t.
Seems like that has been addressed before.
 
Yes you can. The port on the phone has not changed.
USB-A to Lightning should work perfectly fine with the iPhone 12/12 Pro. Fast charging (USB-C PD) only works with USB-C. If Apple dropped ISB-A charging, then I would have a cow before anyone else as that would be complete BULL****. Old stuff is limited to 12w on USB-A (Apple OEM), but there is no reason why it shouldn’t work.

Thanks. Knowing Apple, I wasn't sure if they'd put in some kind hardware/software block to prevent use of USB-A chargers & accessories.
 
Gotta love marketing! Eliminating product accessories (ear buds) and necessary parts (charging brick) are a “commitment to the environment.” Eliminating the headphone jack was “a courageous move.” How could anyone not laud Apple for being environmentally forward and courageous? No matter that you now have to buy other things to get the same functionality.

The real highlight of Apple’s announcements is seeing what things will be taken away from the consumer in new products, and how they spin that to make it something you feel good about. True masters of the art they are.

Not a fan of these decisions as an owner/user of Apple products. Fortunately I no longer have any need or compulsion to upgrade devices often and I reduce the financial impact by skipping several generations between purchases, and when I do buy I avoid the most egregious depreciation cost by buying last year’s model after price reductions. But that’s just me.
This is what I would like to do, buying next year model. Apple took it away and you need to go to the store to get it
Beside the fact they closed several stores near by for restoration . And on the phone or chat you don’t get to know price or colour or availability . If there was a good competitor I would leave Apple . Said by a person who only had Apple products for many years
 
Seems like that has been addressed before.
Seems like you didn’t answer the question but if I missed it please correct me. As I said before this is clearly helpful to the environment and while many people are critical of Apple none have came up with a valid alternative where they could have made such a positive impact on the environment while avoiding inconvenience to the small minority of customers who don’t have an existing iPhone charger.
 
Seems like you didn’t answer the question but if I missed it please correct me. As I said before this is clearly helpful to the environment and while many people are critical of Apple none have came up with a valid alternative where they could have made such a positive impact on the environment while avoiding inconvenience to the small minority of customers who don’t have an existing iPhone charger.
As mentioned, seems like that has been addressed before:
 
This is what I would like to do, buying next year model.

You'll be in the same situation.

Apple took it away and you need to go to the store to get it
Beside the fact they closed several stores near by for restoration . And on the phone or chat you don’t get to know price or colour or availability . If there was a good competitor I would leave Apple . Said by a person who only had Apple products for many years

Not sure what the issue is here.

Do you possess no existing Lightning to USBA cables and no existing USBA power sources, and also live somewhere that no stores sell these? Do you have no stores other than Apple which ship your orders to your door?

If that is in fact true, then I'd suggest making sure to order a USBC power brick from Apple if/when you should order a new phone whether this year or sometime in the future.
 
My in-laws are about to buy their first iPhone, moving from a 5 year old Android phone. Now what Apple is telling them is that without buying more accessories they won't be able to use the Phone they just paid $800 for. Can't wait to see the look in their face...
 
As mentioned, seems like that has been addressed before:
I could probably find and post a dozen articles with talking about the subject. None of this relates to what you think Apple should’ve done since you’re saying you dislike what they did. Again you’re not answering the question. I suspect that’s because you don’t have an answer. I don’t have an answer as to what they’ve could have done better. It’s easy to criticize Apple’s decision but much more difficult to come up with something they could’ve done better.
 
My in-laws are about to buy their first iPhone, moving from a 5 year old Android phone. Now what Apple is telling them is that without buying more accessories they won't be able to use the Phone they just paid $800 for. Can't wait to see the look in their face...
So you think they’ll be heartbroken to have to spend that extra $20 for an $800 phone to help the environment.
 
I have more than I need, people just need to find something to complain about
I also do, but I'm sure newer iPhone users or people who don't upgrade all the time may not have a C port anywhere. 11 was the first with the C power brick.
 
Everyone owns newer Macs? And everyone has previous Lightning cables or those that are still in good shape to last more and more years?
Exactly or just because you can afford other iDevices, doesn't mean you can afford a Mac, especially newer ones. And 11 was the first iPhone with a C brick. People could very possibly have zero C ports.
 
I also do, but I'm sure newer iPhone users or people who don't upgrade all the time may not have a C port anywhere. 11 was the first with the C power brick.
You can use the same cable and power brick that came with the old iPhone X for example. I suspect this is one reason they didn’t change to USB C on the phone because if you think people are complaining about this, the millions of people who have multiple lightning cables would’ve been outraged
 
It's called design over function. The reason why the cable breaks is bc they gotta make it look pretty. They don't have the thick ends to keep it from fraying.
Honestly, I have had no issue with C>L cables. Most A ones I had would fray eventually. But I don't know if this is because Wireless overlapped with the C>L cables, so I don't use the cables as often?
 
The phones have gotten bigger batteries over the years and Aple will be damned if their going to include the necessary USB-C charging brick in the box. Yeah, you c o u l d charge the new iPhones with an old 5 watt charger, but I bet you'll grow weary of waiting pretty quickly.

Guess what? Still gotta buy ANOTHER charger to charge this phone at a modern rate
Finally someone gets it. Everything keeps arguing people have As, but it's not fast. It's less than a third unless you have the iPad brick or an Android one. Only thing I agree is at least if you have an A, you won't die, and you'll have time to get a C
 
Just had a suggestion from my partner, "couldn't they make it available on request and still not ship it?" I suppose they could do that: have each iPhone purchase come with a digital voucher good to purchase a new adapter for $5 or whatever. Not free (that might really mitigate the environmental effort), but at a reduced price.
Or you can use the voucher to do an even exchange of an old A brick for a C. That way they would be doing more good for the environment by getting those old A bricks to either resell as refurb or recycle.
 
I’m going to ask, how many of you have perfectly working cables? Because mines break every few months. New iPhone, new cable. What’s wrong with that. These cables that we use several times every single day don’t last forever.
Looking around our house, I've got one plugged into our iMac, one plugged in at a convenient living room spot and one plugged in by my nightstand. My partner has one plugged in downstairs. Then I've got two in my car (one long, one short) and she has one in her car too. They've all been used a long time, none of them are frayed.

So, I'm one.
 
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I also do, but I'm sure newer iPhone users or people who don't upgrade all the time may not have a C port anywhere. 11 was the first with the C power brick.
Exactly or just because you can afford other iDevices, doesn't mean you can afford a Mac, especially newer ones. And 11 was the first iPhone with a C brick. People could very possibly have zero C ports.

Except...

You get 12W charging from any Lightning cable connected to a common 2.4A USBA port - both very common and easily obtained for the handful of folks not already possessing such.

In the instances where the 25% difference between 12W vs 15W actually makes a real world difference, then buy a 20W USBC brick.

and vouchers? When a USBC brick is $20 delivered, for a lot of people it's less impactful to just buy a brick for delivery and not spend the time / fares / gas / etc to go to an Apple store.
 
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So you think they’ll be heartbroken to have to spend that extra $20 for an $800 phone to help the environment.
That's besides the point. I don't know about you but when I spend $800 on something I expect to at least be able to turn it on and keep using it. Good for you if you believe the environment excuse but to me and apparently a lot of people this is just Apple nickle and dime'ing its customers to turn a bigger profit. I can somewhat understand not shipping headphones, the phone will still work and *if* you need them you can use your own, but now you can't even use the damn thing without buying more stuff from them!
 
Or you can use the voucher to do an even exchange of an old A brick for a C. That way they would be doing more good for the environment by getting those old A bricks to either resell as refurb or recycle.
I like this idea. I still wonder, though, if that's even really necessary. Every C charger they make and ship has a carbon cost. I would imagine most users will already have a charger and cable, maybe multiple. What percentage is "most" I don't know, but my hunch is most means four or more out of five people who buy the phones. The rest probably have friends that have them. I expect very very very few people, as a percentage of those who buy iPhones, will worry about getting a USB-C charger.

I find the head-scratcher to be the inclusion of the USB-C cable to begin with. I understand that's the direction things are moving, but it will cause a lot of people to wonder what's up.
 
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Apple: Millions, billions of chargers sold and in use around the world. Removing the included charger from new phones.

Also Apple: Ships USB-C to Lightning cable in every box that doesn't work with 99% of chargers in the world.

So will Apple stop manufacturing their phones as billions of their devices are sold since years?
 
That's besides the point. I don't know about you but when I spend $800 on something I expect to at least be able to turn it on and keep using it. Good for you if you believe the environment excuse but to me and apparently a lot of people this is just Apple nickle and dime'ing its customers to turn a bigger profit. I can somewhat understand not shipping headphones, the phone will still work and *if* you need them you can use your own, but now you can't even use the damn thing without buying more stuff from them!
Not everybody’s expectations are going to be met. Apple is doing something good for the environment but unfortunately this will cause inconvenience with a small percentage of people who purchase iPhones. I’m not going to even say that isn’t true. What I am saying is the benefits to the environment outweigh the inconvenience to those people. Also if anything this could hurt Apple financially from disgruntled people who just want a phone that works out of the box and aren’t really concerned with the environmental impact or lost sales due to people buying cheaper third party adapters instead of Apple branded ones. Making a decision like this isn’t easy for a company the size of Apple but they are dedicated to the environment. I suspect companies like Samsung will follow suit. I wouldn’t even be surprised if you don’t get a cable at all with a phone in the future. I don’t see why Apple even included the cable but perhaps it had something to do with the EU and the USB-C thing but that’s just me speculating because I don’t know why they made that decision.
 
I like this idea. I still wonder, though, if that's even really necessary. Every C charger they make and ship has a carbon cost. I would imagine most users will already have a charger and cable, maybe multiple. What percentage is "most" I don't know, but my hunch is most means four or more out of five people who buy the phones. The rest probably have friends that have them. I expect very very very few people, as a percentage of those who buy iPhones, will worry about getting a USB-C charger.

I find the head-scratcher to be the inclusion of the USB-C cable to begin with. I understand that's the direction things are moving, but it will cause a lot of people to wonder what's up.
Yeah that is a bit of a head scratcher. To me they should just have the phone in the box then the cable and adapter sold separately. With the same principle of many people have adapters also applying to many people have cables. Perhaps they felt this was a middle ground to transition. I suspect within five years most phones will just include the phone in the box without any accessories
 
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