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Not once has any of the plethora of Apple products I've ever bought (including an iPad Pro 12.9" in 2018) come with a USB-C charger, so I have NO USB-C charger. So if I buy a new phone I will now have a useless cord? Are you fricking kidding me? I can put this in the drawer with the 2 dozen other apple cords I have that crapped out on me.
It's called design over function. The reason why the cable breaks is bc they gotta make it look pretty. They don't have the thick ends to keep it from fraying.
 
As many have said - so I can either not use the new cable for a power box, at gym, at airport, etc. or I can go buy several USB-C power boxes (1 for home, 1 for office, 1 for travel etc.). I admire trying to save the environment but this won't. People will just throw their own boxes and cables in the trash -
Good idea but...
 
Apple is passing a better environment to the consumers, which is is worth more than the $5 it costs for a USB charging brick.
While they get to save money on all of that rather than or at least in addition to the consumers.
 
But they changed which power adapter is needed by including a different cable now, which means that many if not even most who have those power adapters already won't really be able to use most of them.
No new power adapter is needed: you can use the existing power adapter and cable you have with your current iPhone.
 
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But they changed which power adapter is needed by including a different cable now, which means that many if not even most who have those power adapters already won't really be able to use most of them.

Exactly it’s completely misleading. The old bricks are just that bricks!
 
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Surely I’m not the only person that doesn’t have a single USB-C charger...
Count me in, our foot print will be bad because instead of using what we already have at home we need to buy that too!
 
I don't tend to look at it that way. Rather than, "Where is my extra two bucks or whatever the charger cost to make", it's still a simple math:

I get [this and this and this] for my $699/$999/$1099/$399/$599/whatever...is it worth it? So you add the cost of a charger and cable if you need one. I don't need one, I already have one. Not specific to the replied-to post, but I don't understand all the complaints that "I don't have USB-C." If you have an iPhone currently, the same things that charge it can charge the new one, I understand. One would pay separately (but only optionally) to upgrade the experience.

I'm happy to make that trade-off for the environmental advancement.

Except this isn't helping the environment when you need to either buy it online or go to a store and spend gas, packaging, paper, and time.

You'd think for a company that wants to help the environment they'd make better cable that don't break after a few moths of use. Or better yet not release a new iPhone every year? or no that would cut into their profit can't do that.
 
No new power adapter is needed: you can use the existing power adapter and cable you have with your current iPhone.
The main point there is that they are removing the power adapter because many people already have one. But they are still keeping the cable. Yet they are changing the cable so that it would need a different power adapter. There's a disconnect there with that.

Beyond that, it effectively means you are paying the same type of prices and getting basically nothing but just the phone itself. You get to use your older adapters with older more worn out cables in the meantime. Nice for Apple to save money certainly, while at the same time no benefits at all to the consumer and essentially only downsides with needing either different power adapters or more cables to replace older ones.
 
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I will be mainly be using a 6-year-old iPad charger to charge my new iPhone 12 Pro.
The charger supplied with my XS has never been used.
 
What’s irksome to me is that all of the benefits are for them, not the end user ultimately. They’ll be able to fit more iPhones on a truck, save in production costs etc but the user is still paying the same amount. There‘s no denying it’s great for the environment, but a drop in price of $30 or a credit for Apple Music would go a long way.
 
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Except this isn't helping the environment when you need to either buy it online or go to a store and spend gas, packaging, paper, and time.

You'd think for a company that wants to help the environment they'd make better cable that don't break after a few moths of use. Or better yet not release a new iPhone every year? or no that would cut into their profit can't do that.
Most people probably won't have to buy anything at all to charge their iPhone; their existing adapter and cable will work fine. I too have had cables go bad from time to time...but I currently have (looks around room) one at my bedside, one plugged into my iMac, one in the living room, and two (one short, one long) in my car, all in fine condition. And that's not counting my partner's, she has a couple more.

(We even have an old iPad 3 that uses the 30-pin connector...we still have one of those, too)
 
As many have said - so I can either not use the new cable for a power box, at gym, at airport, etc. or I can go buy several USB-C power boxes (1 for home, 1 for office, 1 for travel etc.). I admire trying to save the environment but this won't. People will just throw their own boxes and cables in the trash -
Good idea but...

Or you could just keep using the cables you are using now.
 
Is there a huge speed differences between USB vs USB-C? I have zero USB-C charging blocks. I have plenty of lightning to USB cables and blocks, and portable batteries.
 
Which effectively means you are paying the same type of prices and getting basically nothing but just the phone itself. You get to use your older adapters with older more worn out cables in the meantime. Nice for Apple to save money certainly, while at the same time no benefits at all to the consumer and essentially only downsides with needing either different power adapters or more cables to replace older ones.

Next year they will make the box smaller by not including the iPhone. You can use your old one too. ;)
 
I don't think I would have that much of a problem with Apple removing the Charger and the EarPods to accommodate their margins, except they just have to gloat and spin it around as a courageous environmental move.
B.S, it's a happy side effect and an afterthought. Had it been purely for the environmental factor, then I reckon they'd shave it off the price tag or accommodate those who do still want them, which would have been win = win.
 
Apple is passing a better environment to the consumers, which is is worth more than the $5 it costs for a USB charging brick.

If they really cared for a better environment they'd stop releasing a new iPhone every year. A new phone every year is more damaging than any amount of cables included in a box. lets be real for a second.

You know they won't do that because that would severely effect their profit. People really believe that Apple did this for the environment. You people are so naive. Do people forget Apple is a company first and are meant to make profit?
 
Everyone owns newer Macs? And everyone has previous Lightning cables or those that are still in good shape to last more and more years?
If they don't, then they get a USB charge with the new phones and all they need to do is buy an adapter, big whoop. And if the can't afford the adapter then they probably shouldn't be buying the phone either.
 
What’s irksome to me is that all of the benefits are for them, not the end user ultimately. They’ll be able to fit more iPhones on a truck, save in production costs etc but the user is still paying the same amount. There‘s no denying it’s great for the environment, but a drop in price of $30 or a credit for Apple Music would go a long way.

Apple is not saving $30 a phone, not even close.
 
Does anyone here not already have a lightning charger? Really?
The problem is that they’re charging you the same (or more!) for less stuff and an overall worse experience. How can you not see that? They’re taking advantage of consumers all while hiding behind the thinly-veiled mask of “environmental friendliness.” It’s a lie, and a scheme to get more money for selling less.
 
If they really cared for a better environment they'd stop releasing a new iPhone every year. A new phone every year is more damaging than any amount of cables included in a box. lets be real for a second.

You know they won't do that because that would severely effect their profit. People really believe that Apple did this for the environment. You people are so naive. Do people forget Apple is a company first and are meant to make profit?

There is no way Apple could go a year without a new phone.
 
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