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It’s further than 4.5” though, it’s closer to 6” so a 50% loss.
I’m a bit surprised that none of the main YouTube reviewers have noticed this, including the photographers.
I agree about how weird it is that this flew under the radar of so many reviewers. As I mentioned earlier, it’s probably attributable to the fact that reviewers simply took close focusing for granted, since iPhones have been doing it since the dawn of time...

Whatever the case, this should have been a talking point for a phone with so much hype surrounding its camera module. It’s not the kind of thing that’s going to be a deal breaker for the vast majority of users, but it’s still an unpleasant surprise at best for a lot of people.
 
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I have gone to the store to try out the 12PM, testing the min focusing distance of 12 Pro/12 Pro Max and my iPhone 11.
Both my 11 and 12 Pro have a min focusing distance of around 3 inches, while the 12 Pro Max is 4.5 inches.

I took a few pictures, observing the detail, field of view, the bokeh. 12PM's came out less detailed, slightly less creamier bokeh, and wider FOV obvious.

I also took a few shots with the telephoto lens, it is not for macro, despite the 2.5x zoom, the min focusing distance is at least 12 inches away, for that you might as well use the wide lens as it has much better details and noise level.

TBH the difference in detail and noise can be quite noticeable for macro shots when zoomed in, less so for the bokeh. So now I'm conflicted if I should cancel my order for the 12PM. I wish there is something Apple can do in software to at least to improve it a little bit (Note 20 Ultra has larger sensor yet it is able to focus as close as the 12 Pro)
For the benefits of other users, I have posted my testing on page 14 of this thread, as well as on iphone subreddit at 12 Pro Max has higher min. focusing distance than the 12 Pro and previous iPhone, thus macro shots is not as good as the rest. : iPhone12Pro (reddit.com)

TLDR, 12PM MFD = 4.5in vs other phones at 3in(12 Pro, 11, and presumably 12 and 12 mini)
Telephoto MFD on the 12PM is at least 12in away, which means at that distance, you might as well take the close up with your wide lens at 4.5in, which will give a much clearer image with lesser noise.
 
New iPhone still have the same lens flare issue. In all the videos and photos that i see in youtube or forums, the same ****.. i cant understand why apple doesnt do something like sony in their cameras...

 
This is happening to me too. This is return-worthy to me tbh. Manual focusing (via the Halide app) does not fix the issue.

Astonishing that they tout this as their best camera ever and don't mention this as a hardware-limitation or don't talk about if/when this will be fixed if this is a software bug.
 
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This is happening to me too. This is return-worthy to me tbh. Manual focusing (via the Halide app) does not fix the issue.

Astonishing that they tout this as their best camera ever and don't mention this as a hardware-limitation or don't talk about if/when this will be fixed if this is a software bug.
And to be clear, this is on the 12 Pro Max. I understand 12 Pro was fixed already via software update.
 
And to be clear, this is on the 12 Pro Max. I understand 12 Pro was fixed already via software update.
Not the same problem/issue on the 12P and 12PM.

The increased minimum distance to get focus is specific to the 12PM, does not affect the 12P.
 
I just got the 12 pro max and had the XR before. I was wondering how come I was able to focus easier on my XR. I hope they fix this issue. I initially had gotten the pro first but watched videos of people saying the pro max was the real camera upgrade. Now I realize this issue at hand. I can't say I'm happy about this at all.
 
Same problem on Iphone 12 mini, so it is not related to LiDar
Not the same problem/issue on the 12 mini and 12PM.

The increased minimum distance to get focus is specific to the 12PM, does not affect the 12P or 12M.

All other issues mentioned in this topic have been fixed by software update.

Only 12PM higher than usual minimum focus distance remains.
 
The minimum focal distance issue on the 12 Pro (non max in my case) is real. Today, I tested two 12 Pros side by side. I placed both on a box that is about 3 inches high with a letter in front of it.

One iPhone took shots that were 100% sharp.

The other could only take blurry pictures - it focused, so not completely blurry, but a night and day difference to the sharp shots of the other 12 Pro.

Both phones on iOS 14.2, both with their lenses cleaned (repeatedly), exactly the same camera settings, rebooted the one with the blurry shots multiple times. Nothing changed.

In order to get an equally sharp picture, the "bad" 12 Pro had to be moved 1 1/2 to 2 inches further away from the object.

Called Apple. "we get some parts from multiple companies, there might be some difference, but yours sound too severe." They ran a remote diagnostic test, but it didn't show any errors.

Either my 12 Pro is defective or there are some serious differences in macro capabilities depending on the manufacturer of some parts. E.g. like Nintendo did with the 3DS - some had TN panels, some had IPS panels.

I would be quite disappointed if that were the case.
My daughter has been frustrated with her 12 Pro’s inability to focus well on her subjects, mostly her pets. She says her old Xr is better at that. I wish we would have known about this issue when we were still within the return period.

We were hoping for a software fix. It doesn’t sound like there’s much hope for that.
 
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My daughter has been frustrated with her 12 Pro’s inability to focus well on her subjects, mostly her pets. She says her old Xr is better at that. I wish we would have known about this issue when we were still within the return period.

We were hoping for a software fix. It doesn’t sound like there’s much hope for that.
Interestingly, I've noticed my 12 Pro Max has issues focusing on my Labradoodle's face for portraits. I wonder if her fluffyness is somehow causing issues with the lidar. I definitely got clearer pictures of this dog w/ my Pixel 4XL. Other than the dog, all other photos are great.
 
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Interestingly, I've noticed my 12 Pro Max has issues focusing on my Labradoodle's face for portraits. I wonder if her fluffyness is somehow causing issues with the lidar. I definitely got clearer pictures of this dog w/ my Pixel 4XL. Other than the dog, all other photos are great.
Oh no! This sort of thing is an issue that has plagued my last three Samsung phones.

One thing I need to check out with my daughter’s phone is if there really is a problem or she just doesn’t know how to best handle the new camera system.
 
Oh no! This sort of thing is an issue that has plagued my last three Samsung phones.

One thing I need to check out with my daughter’s phone is if there really is a problem or she just doesn’t know how to best handle the new camera system.
I've not done enough testing to say for certain. It seems to be more of an issue in portrait mode than in regular snaps with the wide camera. Part of it is because she is a naughty girl who won't stay put and tries to lick the phone/photographer.
 
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I've not done enough testing to say for certain. It seems to be more of an issue in portrait mode than in regular snaps with the wide camera. Part of it is because she is a naughty girl who won't stay put and tries to lick the phone/photographer.
A couple of our cats headbutt our phones. Or they smack it with their paws. It makes it look like they’re taking a selfie.

I have one who is well behaved and I use as a model and tests my cameras for me. She also is always present for unboxings. And for screen protector installations. :rolleyes:
 
Is the iPhone 12 Pro Max problem something that can be fixed via firmware or is it hardware based? I bought mine on release date and rather get it swapped sooner rather than later if it's hardware based.
 
Is the iPhone 12 Pro Max problem something that can be fixed via firmware or is it hardware based? I bought mine on release date and rather get it swapped sooner rather than later if it's hardware based.

Nobody knows 100% sure, but it seems very very very much like it is hardware.
 
Nobody knows 100% sure, but it seems very very very much like it is hardware.
If it's hardware based and I bought mine on release date in November, would Apple replace the phone free of charge? Since it's an issue that was caused on their end?
 
If it's hardware based and I bought mine on release date in November, would Apple replace the phone free of charge? Since it's an issue that was caused on their end?

If it is hardware, and given what we know now, it's not what I would call an "issue" or a "problem"... seems to be by design, intended behavior, resulting from the sensor and lens size.

But this is all speculation, I'm not 100% sure this is hardware or at least "hardware only", maybe there are other factors at play, and maybe Apple can do something about it to make it perform differently. Who knows, Apple could surprise me and make the minimum focus distance shorter on the 12PM with an update ;)
 
Is the iPhone 12 Pro Max problem something that can be fixed via firmware or is it hardware based? I bought mine on release date and rather get it swapped sooner rather than later if it's hardware based.
depends on how deep the issue is software should be able to fix this...
 
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