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I am not even bothered about 12 Pro Max or even 13 Pro Max for that matter with my 11 Pro Max! Current form factor sort of hitting its limits on innovation.

I love XS Max design and the cameras all look excellent. 12 is probably for 6-8 owners. Certainly X generation can skip this one unless they go for bigger screen. Mini is a great compromise for those from >= X - 11 family.

My number 1 reason for upgrading my XS Max is for the Qualcomm modem. My intel modem on Verizon still disconnects Wifi, Bluetooth and occasionally my network service.
 
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Does anybody really prefer a thinner phone over more battery?

Personally, yes. I have chargers everywhere and I don’t normally need more than 4 or 5 hours in between charges. When I do need much longer battery life, I just slap on the battery case.
 
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The battery capacity is a consequence of systems design, unless your foremost marketing goal is to advertise a big mAh number.

You would say I want users to be able to do xx and yy, and use the phone for zz amount of time. The functionality drives the design. You have an interplay between the packaging (reduces volume available for battery) and software and processing (reduces need for large battery), and you spec/outsource battery so long as it meets the original intended runtime.

Just like RAM. Only nerds need to know the actual number. Everyone else just needs to know the phone can perform the way they expect it to.
 
If its same battery protections I fail to see the issue. They may increase it next year given 120hz is on the way with ltpo who knows
 
ok first of all you don’t have to buy a Apple 20 W usb power adapter to use MagSafe since you can use a cheap 15w USB C brick (and you said it yourself that it charges at 15W so why are you only mentioning the Apple 20W usb C brick as there is far cheaper ones around)

and secondly although I can agree to an extent regarding the HomePod mini but then there are other smart speakers in that category as well that can be affected like the google home/nest mini regarding cable length and size( although the cables detach from the minis unlike the HomePod mini)

Well, why would I use a “cheap 15W USB-C” third-party brick at a risk of frying a 1K phone? I have no issue paying Apple 19$ for their own 20W charger. I am just saying that the MagSafe at 39$ charging at 15W max + whatever USB-C charger you may use to power it is not such a good value, compared to Apple’s more powerful 20W solution at 19$, hence I call it a “gimmick”.

As for the non-detachable cables - it is a very poor design choice on Apple’s part. Even if one is super-careful with HomePod mini, if something happens to the cable as the pod moves around places, it is a problem not so easy to fix. And this is HomePod Mimi’s main selling point - compact and easy to move. What were they thinking?
 
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i'll be happy if battery life is the same as 11 Pro Max which is exactly what Apple have said. the improved efficiency of the A14 Bionic means they can get the same battery life with less capacity.

sure it'd be nice to keep the same capacity as 11 Pro Max and get more battery life but i'm not to bothered. i'm sure the battery life will be perfectly fine on the 12 Pro Max.
 
Just FYI, the complete Battery+RAM information from TENAA.

iPhone12mini:2227mAh+4GB
iPhone12:2851mAh+4GB
iPhone12Pro:2815mAh+6GB
iPhone12ProMax:3687mAh+6GB

The battery difference on the 12 and 12 Pro, if TENAA did not make a typo then the 12 has a slightly larger battery than the 12 Pro.
 
Well, why would I use a “cheap 15W USB-C” third-party brick at a risk of frying a 1K phone? I have no issue paying Apple 19$ for their own 20W charger. I am just saying that the MagSafe at 39$ charging at 15W max + whatever USB-C charger you may use to power it is not such a good value, compared to Apple’s more powerful 20W solution at 19$, hence I call it a “gimmick”.

As for the non-detachable cables - it is a very poor design choice on Apple’s part. Even if one is super-careful with HomePod mini, if something happens to the cable as the pod moves around places, it is a problem not so easy to fix. And this is HomePod Mimi’s main selling point - compact and easy to move. What were they thinking?
The integrated cable on the MagSafe charger is what’s holding me back. First of all, we all know how durable Apple’s cables are. What am I supposed to do when the cable deteriorates? Toss away the whole thing and run out to buy another?

Second, the length is way too short if they are trying to market this product as something that lets you use your phone while it charges. Maybe it’ll be practical if you happen to have a USB-C port somewhere on top of your desk or nightstand but if you’re plugging this into a wall socket, it’s too short for much other than laying it flat on a surface.

Both these things would be a non-issue if they simply allowed us to use whatever cable we want. Fortunately, though, it does look like the MagSafe Duo will allow for cable swapping.
 
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My number 1 reason for upgrading my XS Max is for the Qualcomm modem. My intel modem on Verizon still disconnects Wifi, Bluetooth and occasionally my network service.

I have dual SIM XS Max 512 GB as well never had any network problem or wifi issues.
 
Why would Apple put a smaller battery if the form factor is the same as an 11 Pro Max? Just b/c of the 5nm die size that's no excuse to shrink the battery.

Apple can have a huge hit with the Pro Series...I think they missed the boat. Rather than make cuts, go all out and price according to the market!!!

A14X CPU (5nm)
120Hz ProMotion display
+500ppi screen
6.5" and 7.5" XDR screen sizes
6000 mAH battery
8GB DDR4
256GB and 1TB storage options
Apple Pencil capability
65-watt adapter (fast charger)

Price $1499, $1699

I would buy this in heartbeat! No need to make the Pro Series an upgraded 12 or 12 Mini. Makes no sense...

6000mAh? Hell no. That thing will be as heavy as a brick! 4500 is enough to last for a day with heavy use, why would you want it to last 2 days in an exchange for holding a heavy brick all day long? I’m sure people sleep every night and you can just charge your phone at night.
 
I’m surprised no major phone manufacturer has ever made an extended capacity battery version of a phone. In the GPS smartwatch market, Coros came out with a watch that boasted twice the battery life of the best Garmins and it made them a legitimate player overnight.

Several Chinese companies do it and how Samsung has the FE, which has a larger battery than the S20 Ultra. Some of the phones Samsung produces aimed at India and other countries have 6000 maH batteries.
 
fix one thing
break another


Next years model selling point. We've increased the battery capacity

and now latest update of Windows 10 looks more and more like MacOs with the latest translucent menu changes
They want the Apple faithful to finally switch to Windows and feel at home doing so.

I currently have a windows laptop I’ve had for a good while. I’ll probably just replace the battery soon. If/when I need another I’ll probably buy a Mac of some kind. Windows is still horrible at updates and has a tendency to be in the news for bricking devices when pushing them out.
 
I'm responding to a poster who said that there are no phones having extended battery capacity. I said there are.
And let's face it, a 7000mAh battery Android will outlast any iPhone no matter how efficient it is.

  • 3.969 mAh vs. 5.000 mAh
  • 2019 vs. 2020
  • +2h more battery life on the iPhone

 
But we’re still getting plenty hours of battery life.

Anytime I travel out of town, my XS Max runs dry around 2:30. I'm not a big talk/texter,' and my circle is smaller these days, but I tend to view content in between appointments. Perhaps Apple applied some efficiency parameters to compensate for the smaller battery. Notwithstanding, in recent years, Apple hasn't held to the design standards that used to be their hallmark. Reluctantly, I plan to acquire the 12 PRO Max simply because I don't have the finger dexterity as I used to. 💁‍♂️

Sidebar: If that's your real avatar, I want to thank you for reminding me that I still have a few hormones left.
 
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Battery life is the main reason I'm upgrading my iPhone X and the battery life on my partner's iPhone 11 pro is brilliant.

Why the downgrade Apple other than, iPhone 13 Pro, 25% better battery life!
 
So dumb, just leave the battery bigger and improve battery life instead of aiming to keep it constant every year.
That means in the design phase you'd sit down and say, "we're using this exact same battery pack, let's design the circuits and boards around it", which is a dumb thing to do.

Well, why would I use a “cheap 15W USB-C” third-party brick at a risk of frying a 1K phone?
Because there are engineering standards and "third-party" doesnt mean risk of frying a phone.
 
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Because there are engineering standards and "third-party" doesnt mean risk of frying a phone.

Sure there are, but I would not bet on the companies releasing a 5$ charger to follow them to a letter. I do not have a problem paying Apple 19$ for their own USB-C 20W charger, but that MagSafe for an extra 39$ is not such a tempting proposition. IMO, of course.
 
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