iPhone 12 Pro Models Around 20-25% Faster Than iPhone 11 Pro Models in Early Benchmark Results

[MauiPa]

They have to keep something for next year.

The fact that last-years A13 is faster than any Android chip and this year's A14 is 25% faster yet. Just curious, do you think Apple is not doing a good enough job by only 25%? That must make your opinion of Qualcomm then be simple incompetence? But in reality, I haven't heard of anyone complain lately that their newer iPhones or Androids were too slow
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Well I can say that my iPad Pro is faster than my 2017 iMac in photo editing. And my iMac has a 4 core i7 CPU with a Radeon 580Pro. That's not a synthetic benchmark, it's a sustained process of raw editing one after another.

the iPad Pro GPU is amazing

 

[doboy]

This isn't android which has an antiquated garbage collection process and thus need lots or RAM so you don't notice the slowdowns while it hogs the system to free up memory. No, iPhones have plenty of memory as is

Yeah that's why app refresh on my iPhone 11 especially after using the camera. Whatever reason it may be, Apple's iOS is not totally immune.

 

[gnasher729]

Hmmm? What I said was true though. They have their new chip already on the shelf, or you think they're going to design the entire chip in less than 12 months?

There's something _between_ "already on the shelf" and "starting to design now".

 

[Apple Crusader]

Does this mean my phone calls will be 20-25% faster? If so, I have a reason to upgrade so I can end an hour long phone call in 45-48 minutes.

 

[MistrSynistr]

How are there not batteries that last weeks in 2020.

There has to be some sort of purposefully delayed tech gimmick going on here. lol.

 

[CJ Dorschel]

There used to be a time where each speed improvement was very visible and made the use of the phone better, but now there's really no really noticeable difference in performance, at least in "non game" or "non computational photography related" tasks, which are the majority of tasks people who have the income to afford an iPhone Pro use every day.

The iPhone reached what took computers double the time to reach.

Completely agree. I’d further the point by stating Apple may have benefitted Intel and thus themselves if they continued to work closely with them as Jobs did during the first few years of the PPC to Intel transition. During that time, Mac’s had first access in the industry to newer and specialized Intel CPU’s. The MacBook Air is just one example and Apple worked closely with Intel on those processors. After Jobs passed, focus shifted to iPhones and iPads and thus ARM SoC. Intel had their own internal struggles yet I sense Apple’s focus away from the Mac line and cutting in-house departments that worked with Intel on CPU development was a major factor in Apple’s push towards ARM. Yes, ARM is more energy efficient and has some benefits over Intel architecture yet Mac’s will effectively return to the PPC era as support for Windows emulation and cold booting will be gone which will negatively impact Apple’s business market which is far from niche.

Businesses and consumers moved to MacBook’s and iMacs as they offered two systems in one - OS X/macOS and Windows - and consumers bought Mac’s as they use them for personal and work needs. Microsoft won’t produce an ARM version of Windows for Mac’s that will be the equivalent of Windows for Intel - there’s no financial benefit for Microsoft and unlike the joint venture between Apple and Microsoft when Jobs first returned to Apple in the late 90’s there is very little collaboration between the two now. Apple has also pushed hard into the business market over the years with their own business departments and initiatives.

People generally don’t understand just how important the move to Intel was in Apple gaining traction as it wasn’t just the iPod and iPhone that brought consumers into the Mac ecosphere. OS X running on Intel systems that allowed Windows and other OS’s to run as well as the ability to easily port applications such as MS Office, CAD and design programs, and so much more as well as cross platform compatibility that allowed system admins to more effectively operate massive business structures, etc opened up Mac’s to a world that PPC systems couldn’t. Rosetta emulation was meant as a transitory solution.

I already know many businesses who are moving away from Mac’s after years of financial investment and training after the announcement Apple is moving to ARM Mac’s, etc as they don’t want to invest more money and time in systems that will limit their ability to operate. It’s easier and more cost effective to move back to Windows systems and especially for consumers who predominately used MacBooks and MacBook pros for both personal and work needs as Intel systems allowed them that ability to run Windows and other Intel platform apps when needed on a machine that runs OS X/macOS for personal use. Now there’s little justification for buying a $1500-$3000 MacBook/MacBook Pro or iMac when you need a Windows system as well.

I fear ARM Mac’s will return Apple to the PPC era and that is not a good thing long term. Apple should have continued co-development with Intel as they did during the Jobs era as it may have produced better Intel CPU’s and avoided the messes of Intel cycle production of today while benefiting both companies and the market.

I noticed a few disagree but these are facts like it or not.

 

[jz0309]

Of course it’s faster, the “usual” 20-25% that we’ve seen over the past 25 years between computer chip generations...

 

[nordique]

Better improvement over the a13 than the a12 was over the a11
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[Wags]

I know I’ll get crucified for saying this as much as the iPhone 12 Pro has advanced over the iPhone 11 Pro: I don’t personally see a reason for upgrading my iPhone 11 Pro in midnight green to an iPhone 12 pro in blue.

- 5G: I’m almost always on WiFi yet advancements in mobile technology are always important regardless of how each of us use it. For the moment I don’t personally benefit from increased cellular speeds. i’ll hold off until 5G becomes more common especially as I live in Germany and the UK as well as the states.
- LiDAR is an interesting feature that may prove useful with time
- Camera improvements are always welcomed yet my 11 Pro takes excellent photos for a mobile device (still doesn’t beat my DSLR but that’s not the intention)
- MagSafe charging - I can see myself comically struggling to take my iPhone off my bedside charger. This would be more useful in my cars and laptops (hint: bring back MagSafe with USB-C!).
- Design changes are always great and I welcome the iPhone 4-5 style yet I always use a case (Pitaka makes the best as they’re slim and have protected my iPhones from drops on everything from concrete to marble)

Finally making OLED displays standard on the entire line is the biggest change and the iPhone 12 mini will appeal to many who want the older 5.4” size with the perfect price point. I believe people are under-appreciating this new model.

PS typing comments on MacRumors on my iPhone is painful. Why is this site the only one that constantly mistypes? Trying to correct it is a struggle using the site with iOS Safari.

Easy to agree. Not necessary unless have some specific need. Devices reached point of incremental upgrades and return on annual upgrades.

 

[iBug2]

Completely agree. I’d further the point by stating Apple may have benefitted Intel and thus themselves if they continued to work closely with them as Jobs did during the first few years of the PPC to Intel transition. During that time, Mac’s had first access in the industry to newer and specialized Intel CPU’s. The MacBook Air is just one example and Apple worked closely with Intel on those processors. After Jobs passed, focus shifted to iPhones and iPads and thus ARM SoC. Intel had their own internal struggles yet I sense Apple’s focus away from the Mac line and cutting in-house departments that worked with Intel on CPU development was a major factor in Apple’s push towards ARM. Yes, ARM is more energy efficient and has some benefits over Intel architecture yet Mac’s will effectively return to the PPC era as support for Windows emulation and cold booting will be gone which will negatively impact Apple’s business market which is far from niche.

Businesses and consumers moved to MacBook’s and iMacs as they offered two systems in one - OS X/macOS and Windows - and consumers bought Mac’s as they use them for personal and work needs. Microsoft won’t produce an ARM version of Windows for Mac’s that will be the equivalent of Windows for Intel - there’s no financial benefit for Microsoft and unlike the joint venture between Apple and Microsoft when Jobs first returned to Apple in the late 90’s there is very little collaboration between the two now. Apple has also pushed hard into the business market over the years with their own business departments and initiatives.

People generally don’t understand just how important the move to Intel was in Apple gaining traction as it wasn’t just the iPod and iPhone that brought consumers into the Mac ecosphere. OS X running on Intel systems that allowed Windows and other OS’s to run as well as the ability to easily port applications such as MS Office, CAD and design programs, etc opened up Mac’s to a world that PPC systems couldn’t. Rosetta emulation was a meant as a transitory solution. I already know many businesses who are moving away from Mac’s after years of investment as they don’t want to investment more money in systems that will limit their ability to operate.

I fear ARM Mac’s will return Apple to the PPC era and that is not a good thing long term. Apple should have continued co-development with Intel as they did during the Jobs era as it may have produced better Intel CPU’s and avoided the messes of Intel cycle production of today while benefiting both companies and the market.

I don't think losing windows boot is going to matter at all. They gain something huge in return, to be able to make any iPad app work natively on Mac Os. There are so many iOS apps and iOS developers out there that can change the UI and simply port their apps to Mac OS now. That's a huge number of developers since ARM is the major architecture today, not intel.

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

Impressive. I barely make my XS sweat, so can’t imagine how fast it is.

 

[SevrinDantus]

Single core is faster than any Mac and multi-core is as fast as a $1799 13-inch 2020 MacBook Pro.

Again , you cant compare only with the dev mac mini that runs this test on arm app
x86 Macos under intel cpu eats is more heavy...so is not apples to apples...

 

[CJ Dorschel]

I don't think losing windows boot is going to matter at all. They gain something huge in return, to be able to make any iPad app work natively on Mac Os. There are so many iOS apps and iOS developers out there that can change the UI and simply port their apps to Mac OS now. That's a huge number of developers since ARM is the major architecture today, not intel.

Businesses have depended on Mac’s to run on Intel processors since the 2000’s as it allows them to run both macOS and windows on one machine. consumers also bought Mac’s for the same reason - they could run windows for work when needed and use macOS for personal use. Now they will have to buy a Windows system for work and a Mac for personal use and I can’t see people buying two machines especially as Mac’s generally cost more. I already know many businesses who are moving away from Mac‘s for all the reasons I stated in my lengthy post.

you’re focusing on the benefits of arm short term while ignoring the fact it will force people to move away from Apple systems as ARM processors won’t run windows and ~80% of the business market and thus consumer market depends on Intel to run their programs. There is little financial incentive for them to transition their software to arm and many are not investing in Mac’s if it limits their ability to operate as a business and consumers won’t buy a $2400 MacBook Pro if they have to also buy a Windows system.

Intel CPUs offered two-in-one systems that were a no-brainer financially and operatively. it’s not the same as iPhones and iPads as they run OS’es that are cross platform by design. Jobs knew this during the PPC era which is why Apple transitioned to Intel and didn’t move to ARM as that was an option then even given the limits ARM systems had then. Jobs knew longterm Intel was better to work with. Computers are not the same and Businesses don’t have and will not produce arm versions of their applications. It’s not a financial win for them

 

[mscice]

lol fork out 1k for 20% faster

 

[mdnz]

There's something _between_ "already on the shelf" and "starting to design now".

Im willing to bet it’s closer to the first one.

 

[falkon-engine]

"Qualcomm has left the chat" 😂 😂

snapdragon maybe lol, but don’t forget that the iPhone 12 has a Qualcomm radio/modem inside.

 

[fhall1]

- LiDAR is an interesting feature that may prove useful with time

LiDAR and especially AR are both interesting features that (in the case of AR) have been touted for quite a while, but still don't seem to have any practical use for 99% of iPhone users. With all the research (and dollars) poured into them, I hope the payoff is big in the near future - but I don't see it.

 

[Red Oak]

But, in all the recent iPhone’s I’ve had, running such demanding tasks causes the screen to dim after a few minutes, especially during gaming. It can’t handle demanding games and high screen brightness at the same time (likely a thermal issue). Even iPads suffer from this.

It’s a very annoying limitation that rarely if ever gets mentioned by reviewers (because most, especially the big ones, just parrot Apple’s spoon-fed marketing spiel and specs); or even among users surprisingly. The performance metrics in benchmarks are great, but it’s not so great when the screen dims by 50% during your favourite game!

Why this doesn’t get pointed outmore often is surprising.

In all my extensive gaming over 8 years on an iPhone, I have never experienced the screen "dimming on its own". I'll call BS on this

Make sure you are not in low power mode

 

[falkon-engine]

20 percent faster than an already super fast 11 pro max is cool, but too bad it doesn’t have a 120 Hz display. If it did then I’d replace my 11 pro Max. I’m on Verizon so mmWave 5G is pointless when I’m indoors and use wifi 6. Oh well there’s always next year.

 

[eMacKilla]

Oh thank God, this years iPhones are faster than last years. lol

 

[falkon-engine]

In all my extensive gaming over 8 years on an iPhone, I have never experienced the screen "dimming on its own". I'll call BS on this

Make sure you are not in low power mode

It happens on my 11 pro max sometimes.

 

[now i see it]

Geekbench can't test how quick it is to actually use it. It's scores are almost meaningless

 

[Freida]

Same chip as Air 4, same result. Shocker!!!

 

[citysnaps]

I know I’ll get crucified for saying this as much as the iPhone 12 Pro has advanced over the iPhone 11 Pro: I don’t personally see a reason for upgrading my iPhone 11 Pro in midnight green to an iPhone 12 pro in blue.

- 5G: I’m almost always on WiFi yet advancements in mobile technology are always important regardless of how each of us use it. For the moment I don’t personally benefit from increased cellular speeds. i’ll hold off until 5G becomes more common especially as I live in Germany and the UK as well as the states.
- LiDAR is an interesting feature that may prove useful with time
- Camera improvements are always welcomed yet my 11 Pro takes excellent photos for a mobile device (still doesn’t beat my DSLR but that’s not the intention)
- MagSafe charging - I can see myself comically struggling to take my iPhone off my bedside charger. This would be more useful in my cars and laptops (hint: bring back MagSafe with USB-C!).
- Design changes are always great and I welcome the iPhone 4-5 style yet I always use a case (Pitaka makes the best as they’re slim and have protected my iPhones from drops on everything from concrete to marble)

Finally making OLED displays standard on the entire line is the biggest change and the iPhone 12 mini will appeal to many who want the older 5.4” size with the perfect price point. I believe people are under-appreciating this new model.

PS typing comments on MacRumors on my iPhone is painful. Why is this site the only one that constantly mistypes? Trying to correct it is a struggle using the site with iOS Safari.

Nothing wrong with keeping your phone another year or two. My X will be three years old in December. And still works fine.

But...for me, being a serious photographer who makes photographs everyday, the cameras and capabilities in the iPhone 12 Pro are definitely worth the upgrade.

 

[iBug2]

In all my extensive gaming over 8 years on an iPhone, I have never experienced the screen "dimming on its own". I'll call BS on this

Make sure you are not in low power mode

My iPhone 11 Pro dims the screen even after extensive photo editing. By dimming I don't mean it's dark, but the maximum brightness is reduced and increasing the brightness past 80% has no effect. If the phone gets even hotter, it goes below 80% but that rarely happens unless it's too hot.