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Precisely. The bump in the 12 makes it very uncomfortable for that use. The iPhone 5 is the best design ever made, design-wise, performance-wise, everything-wise. Everything after the 5 has become worse and worse.
God I loved the 5. I do like the 12 Pro’s non-glass back, but the size + bump destroy that sleekness that the 5/5S had. That said it was too small for practical modern smartphone utility so I won’t go full Ives.
and all I wanted was a matte finish for the non-pro models!

yes. Major boost to ergonomics. This and a reduction in screen size, just barely. The mini is too small, but the X/XS were perfect @ that sweet sweet 70MM width
 
Actually I would take an improved camera anytime over the battery life that many people are obsessed with for some strange reason. I can charge my phone every evening when I go to sleep but I can not make the camera any better. These are not just phones now, these are pocket computers and photography/videography gear. Camera bump? I don't care, as long as it gives me improved photography/videography.

Well the "strange" reason is that I don't like running out of battery in the middle of the day or on the train home from work, or having to constantly carry a battery pack or having to strategically charge just to be on the safe side. This might not be an issue if you're using one of the larger phones, but definitely on the smaller ones. There's nothing more liberating than not having to think about the battery.

The photography/videography, for me, is more than good enough. Not that I constantly take pictures or videos anyway. It's diminishing returns for users like me. I'd happily take more battery life.
 
I kind of hate the ergonomics of the iphone12 pro. (Yes, personal preference) but I don’t know anyone who likes it more
 
Would be nice if Apple could make the camera bump flush, but then the iPhone would have to either have a worse camera system to fit it in 7.57mm or make the whole iPhone around 11.22mm thick to make the cameras flush. I’d rather take a camera bump over an 11mm thick phone.
 
Please please please swap the zoom with the ultra wide on the regular sized phone. Leave the nearly useless ultra wide lens for the “pros” who would make the best use of it.
As someone who always buys the pro/max, I didn’t realize the 2nd camera in the 11/12 was the ultra wide and not the telephoto. I just assumed that the 2nd camera was always the telephoto since its introduction in the 7 plus.
I completely agree with you. Seems like a weird choice.
 
Ugh. No. As someone who updates every year, I wanted to get at least another year out of my phone cases. These yearly physical changes are all too convenient for these accessory makers. 😒
Kinda like when people bought a spank'n new '56 chevy and then the '57 was released.
 
Honestly, I don't see how that's worse. The camera bump is a cancerous growth on the iPhone, and that cancer is growing fast.
If this keeps up, people will be better off with a separate piece of hardware for their camera.
And how is such a chunky growth on the phone necessary? What happened to the last 5+ years of "our magical phone is better than a DSLR"? If the camera was so amazingly good 5 years ago, what excuse is there to make a huge ugly bump now? If the technology getting worse? Look at iPhone releases over the past 5 years and how the marketing and fans have described the camera?
Probably 80% of people here (yes that is nothing but a guesstimate on my behalf) probably could care less about the bump and I am one of those people. Why is that? Because a lot of people go and buy a case (UAG in my case) and I have never gone “oh my, that bump is hideous, it is like having a Hasselblad attached to the back of my iPhone”.
 
The camera bump isn’t really an issue because most people use a case of some sort.

Ive read quite a few opinion pieces stating the days of the notch are numbered but I’m not so sure. Look at the front of fifty different Android phones and you’d struggle to tell which was from which manufacturer yet the silhouette of the notch immediately tells you it’s an iPhone in much the same way as the old home button did.

Apple more than any company will be aware of how important brand recognition is.
Agreed. It is akin to people wanting to pick out a color and you see it for about 15-30 seconds until that case is slapped on. I anted a specific color for my 11Pro Max and now I’d have to pull the case off to see what color I did get.
 
Prediction: after these phones come out, and despite the phone getting thicker every year now for a long time, most macrumors forum posters will continue to complain about apple's "obsession with thinness" and complain about the effect on battery life.
be agreeable.
 
I suppose everything is a compromise. The camera bump lends itself to better photographs. While I wish the device was flush, higher quality pictures are more important to me.

The thickness doesn't really bother me, but the weight does. Especially on the Pro models with stainless steel and even larger batteries, it gets quite heavy. I still remember picking up an iPhone 5 and original iPad mini and being so startled by the lightness that I nearly dropped them.
basically, he wants the iPhone to be as thick as the camera bump needs to be, not the other way around.
 
Well then so much for getting rid of the 3.5mm headphone jack because thinner was better?

They got rid of it to simplify the BoM, to improve water/dust resistance, to allow for a bigger battery, and because they believed wireless was the future, not to make the device thinner.
 
Please please please swap the zoom with the ultra wide on the regular sized phone. Leave the nearly useless ultra wide lens for the “pros” who would make the best use of it.
But that would make people like you and me spend, $200 less on our next phone...
 
IMO, the two most-important upgrades to the 12s/13, in order of importance:

1.) Wi-Fi 6E support (if it's in-deed included) !
Where are you finding WiFi 6E networks to connect to? I understand the importance of the 6ghz spectrum, but until it is widely used by routing and access point equipment (5-10 years out -or more?), what's the point?
 
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