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I had a friend who once told me that he chose the highest capacity iPhone because it was “faster”. I chuckled internally.

Well, in theory, he might be correct. More extensive NAND storage tends to be faster. I doubt this is the case with iPhones, as they have so little internal space. I doubt Apple is using additional NAND chips to increase storage. They are most likely just spending more on higher-capacity NAND chips. If there were 2x 512GB NAND chips to achieve 1TB, the 1TB would be faster than the other models as the storage controller would read/write to both chips simultaneously. This is why you will almost always see various NVMe drives of the same model and generation being faster the more storage you get. For this very reason, the Samsung 990 Pro 2TB is faster than the Samsung 990 Pro 512GB.

Not that any of this matters. No one uses their iPhone in ways where read/write performance will provide them anything meaningful in practice. The iPad Pro made this worse, as the M1 iPad Pro with 1TB storage features 16GB RAM, compared to 8GB RAM on the rest. This is most likely due to Apple streamlining their production line. They were already producing system boards featuring 1TB storage and Apple M1 with 16GB onboard RAM. Adding yet another SKU to the production line to feature a system board containing 1TB storage and Apple M1 with 8GB on-board RAM would be less efficient and cost more compared to simply giving the 1TB model 16GB RAM as that allows for using the same system board between iPad Pro and Mac production.
 
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This is apple we’re talking about. They start the computers at 256 and 8 which is farrrrr more of an issue than it is with a phone…
Totally that’s also so ridiculous that computers start with 256 in 2023, and for them it cost like nothing to increase the storage it’s just the easiest way for them to create different tiers, I’m pretty tired of this, and if a phone gets so big increase it price would be the least to upgrade the storage now, here in Europe that 100usd will be at least 200 usd going to 2000usd the entry level phone.
 
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And next year it will be faster LPDDR5X. I’m surprised Apple didn’t do that this year (or maybe I’m not).

Spending additional cost on LPDDR5X doesn't make much sense. The most notable advantage that LPDDR5X provides over LPDDR5 is higher throughput at the same voltage levels. 33% increased throughput isn't meaningful on a phone as RAM speeds are not a bottleneck on the iPhone. It does feature some new technology that might give it an edge in terms of power usage, as it's supposed to be more intelligent on when to reduce performance and voltage levels to prolong battery life. But real-world comparison has proven that this isn't as effective in real-world scenarios as in LABs, which is often the case.

LPDDR5 has a voltage range of 0.5-1.05. LPDDR5X has a voltage range of 0.6-1.1. It might end up using slightly more power, depending on the usage. All of this is semantics at this point. The differences are so minimal that it won't change the user experience meaningfully. This is most likely the case for why Apple opts for getting the LPDDR5 for cheap, compared to spending more on the LPDDR5X when it adds so little value to the product. Money is better spent elsewhere.

Perhaps the most significant improvement LPDDR5 provides is increased storage per chip. I believe the iPhone features a single RAM chip, making the maximum Apple can achieve with LPDDR5 12GB. With LPDDR5X, the maximum would be 16GB. This isn't relevant in Apple's case because Apple isn't currently on the maximum that LPDDR5 allows for.
 
Unfortunately still LPDDR5, according to TrendForce. What's their track record? Appletrack.com (which ranks Apple leakers) is coming up blank.

And if the new Phones are LPDDR5, does that mean the M3 Macs will be as well?
TrendForce is ranked #3 on AppleTrack.com, with an accuracy of 84.5%. These rumors are probably as accurate as they could get, being 5 days away from release.
 
Totally that’s also so ridiculous that computers start with 256 in 2023, and for them it cost like nothing to increase the storage it’s just the easiest way for them to create different tiers, I’m pretty tired of this, and if a phone gets so big increase it price would be the least to upgrade the storage now, here in Europe that 100usd will be at least 200 usd going to 2000usd the entry level phone.

Indeed. This is most likely a result of Apple (and most other companies to be frank) wanting to make their Cloud services more attractive. If they provided 512GB+ as base storage for iPhones, iPads and Macs they are removing a lot of the value Cloud storage adds for most people. This is basically companies gimping their own devices to make other revenue streams more attractive to customers. Really annoying.
 
Previously on MR: $100 more it's totally fine, Apple does not increase the price at all... 128Gb vs 256Gb... that's great to me ...

I hope they don't increase the surcharge it already has the iphone. Besides, 128Gb with a proRaw video recording its totally absurd in 2023
 
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Indeed. This is most likely a result of Apple (and most other companies to be frank) wanting to make their Cloud services more attractive. If they provided 512GB+ as base storage for iPhones, iPads and Macs they are removing a lot of the value Cloud storage adds for most people. This is basically companies gimping their own devices to make other revenue streams more attractive to customers. Really annoying.
Yeah totally :/
 
Whether the Apple M3 unified SoC will feature LPDDR5X is hard to say. It's even less relevant to push for more expensive RAM on these models as they have larger batteries than iPhones, and they feature dual-channel memory, compared to single-channel on the iPhone. There aren't any real benefits for Apple to push for more expensive RAM on the base Apple M-series. The Max features quad-channel memory, while the Ultra features octa-channel memory. This makes them have a lot of aggregated throughput. The move to LPDDR5X doesn't provide much other than higher cost.

It all comes down to whether Apple can press the price on LPDDR5X low enough for it to make any sense to opt for LPDDR5 over LPDDR5X.
 
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Apple's upcoming iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max will have the same 128GB, 256GB, 512GB, and 1TB storage capacity options as the iPhone 14 Pro models, according to information shared today by Taiwanese research firm TrendForce.

iPhone-15-Pro-Colors-Mock-Feature.jpg

The research firm reiterated its claim that both iPhone 15 Pro models will be equipped with 8GB of RAM, compared to 6GB for the iPhone 14 Pro models. Increased RAM can contribute to improved performance, particularly for multitasking. The lower-end iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus models will have 6GB of RAM, the research firm said.

TrendForce believes the iPhone 15 Pro will start at $999 in the U.S., just like the iPhone 14 Pro. However, the research firm predicts that the iPhone 15 Pro Max will start at $1,199, which would be a $100 price increase compared to the iPhone 14 Pro Max.

All four iPhone 15 models are expected to be equipped with a USB-C port and the Dynamic Island, while many additional features are rumored for the Pro models, including a titanium frame, customizable Action button, A17 Bionic chip, Wi-Fi 6E support, a periscope lens with up to 6x optical zoom on the Pro Max, and more.

Apple will unveil the iPhone 15 series at an event scheduled for Tuesday, September 12 at 10 a.m. Pacific Time. A live stream of the event will be available on YouTube, on Apple's website, and in the Apple Events app for the Apple TV.

Article Link: iPhone 15 Pro to Start at 128GB Storage With 8GB of RAM — TrendForce
man, hurry up and go on sale already!! my bank account is greenlit to go!
 
Honestly 256GB is long overdue on the pro model, the same way 128GB was needed as base on standard model.
Photos take way much space than before due to 4K.
On top of that people want to keep most of their smartphone photo.. on the smartphone. So if you jumped on the iphone wagon early (iphone 6 and before) 128GB is very small to keep a decade of basic photo you want to keep on you (baby, holidays, events etc).
iCloud is a good alternative but at least providing costumers for those who value more local storage option at a decent price is needed
 
Whether the Apple M3 unified SoC will feature LPDDR5X is hard to say. It's even less relevant to push for more expensive RAM on these models as they have larger batteries than iPhones, and they feature dual-channel memory, compared to single-channel on the iPhone. There aren't any real benefits for Apple to push for more expensive RAM on the base Apple M-series. The Max features quad-channel memory, while the Ultra features octa-channel memory. This makes them have a lot of aggregated throughput. The move to LPDDR5X doesn't provide much other than higher cost.

It all comes down to whether Apple can press the price on LPDDR5X low enough for it to make any sense to opt for LPDDR5 over LPDDR5X.
At least you don't lie on your MR account's name :)
 
Whether the Apple M3 unified SoC will feature LPDDR5X is hard to say. It's even less relevant to push for more expensive RAM on these models as they have larger batteries than iPhones, and they feature dual-channel memory, compared to single-channel on the iPhone. There aren't any real benefits for Apple to push for more expensive RAM on the base Apple M-series. The Max features quad-channel memory, while the Ultra features octa-channel memory. This makes them have a lot of aggregated throughput. The move to LPDDR5X doesn't provide much other than higher cost.

It all comes down to whether Apple can press the price on LPDDR5X low enough for it to make any sense to opt for LPDDR5 over LPDDR5X.
Yeah apple don’t have any ram issues or bottleneck, iPhone for me only thing which really needs a giant upgrade are the cameras and maybe little better battery rest is pretty perfect.
 
With my current iPhone 13PM I fell for the hype around the video capabilities etc and went for the 512GB handset.
Im currently using around 70GB (dont even know how Im using that much TBH!).
If I decide to upgrade to the 15PM I wouldn't go above 256GB - although this is all dependent upon price and features. I'm considering skipping yet another year.....
 
Well, in theory, he might be correct. More extensive NAND storage tends to be faster. I doubt this is the case with iPhones, as they have so little internal space. I doubt Apple is using additional NAND chips to increase storage. They are most likely just spending more on higher-capacity NAND chips. If there were 2x 512GB NAND chips to achieve 1TB, the 1TB would be faster than the other models as the storage controller would read/write to both chips simultaneously. This is why you will almost always see various NVMe drives of the same model and generation being faster the more storage you get. For this very reason, the Samsung 990 Pro 2TB is faster than the Samsung 990 Pro 512GB.

Not that any of this matters. No one uses their iPhone in ways where read/write performance will provide them anything meaningful in practice. The iPad Pro made this worse, as the M1 iPad Pro with 1TB storage features 16GB RAM, compared to 8GB RAM on the rest. This is most likely due to Apple streamlining their production line. They were already producing system boards featuring 1TB storage and Apple M1 with 16GB onboard RAM. Adding yet another SKU to the production line to feature a system board containing 1TB storage and Apple M1 with 8GB on-board RAM would be less efficient and cost more compared to simply giving the 1TB model 16GB RAM as that allows for using the same system board between iPad Pro and Mac production.

This was back in the iPhone 6 days. So we're talking about 128GB in 2014.
 
I told you this would never happen. The upgrade business is where Apple upsells it's products for 90%.

If someone really paid attention: You all would notice that 6GB is sufficient, except when a new iPhone is announced around the **.4 updates of iOS. Apps all of a sudden need to restart and do not retain information. Coincident? I think not. This is another battery-gate making iPhones deliberately slower to push people to upgrade. RAM-gate.
 
If I had to choose between which of these two would be higher I would choose RAM too. Storage is something you can at least pay extra for if you want it, with RAM that would be more difficult to market to people in a phone.
 
If the rumors are 256/6gb starting at a higher price or 128/8gb starting at the usual price I hope they go 128/8gb. Heck even if they go 128/8gb and start it at a higher price.

Storage at least we can pay for more of. Ram is what we need to really make this last.
 
128GB is enough for me, I'm only using 60GB or so on my 128GB 14 Pro Max and I don't really care about more RAM as I've never once used my 14 Pro Max and wished it had more. But I still agree with everyone else that it's a bit ridiculous to stick with 128GB storage as base now.

Especially when you look at the prices of NAND storage in recent times. That and the cost of RAM are about the only things that have got massively cheaper over the last year.

Can't say I'm surprised though. Disappointed, but I expected to be.
 
8 gigs of ram !

That’s the same as a ps4 !

What on earth would an iPhone need that much for ..?

What does an iPad need 16 for?

How about so it can actually multi-task, or not close apps when you use the camera, or not reload Safari tabs all the time?

This is like the guy who famously said 40 something years ago that nobody needs more than 64 kb of ram.

Do you need more than 45 horsepower in your car?
 
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What does an iPad need 16 for?

How about so it can actually multi-task, or not close apps when you use the camera, or not reload Safari tabs all the time?

This is like the guy who famously said 40 something years ago that nobody needs more than 64 kb of ram.

Do you need[/] more than 45 horsepower in your car?

Indeed. And Android phones have had 16 GB RAM many years ago already. What is MacRumors even complaining about even?

MacRumors also really believe "8GB RAM is all you need" on a laptop. I'm not making this up.
 
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