I’m not sure this is correct. You can buy a third party charger and get full charging speeds on the S23+/S23 Ultra if they support Power Delivery 3.0 PDO/PPS
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iPhone 15 USB-C Cables Without MFi Badge May Have Data Transfer and Charging Speed Limits
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I’m not sure this is correct. You can buy a third party charger and get full charging speeds on the S23+/S23 Ultra if they support Power Delivery 3.0 PDO/PPS
And apple wonders why the EU and others open antitrust cases against them. There is zero reason for this outside of pure greed. Heck even low end android devices don't get hampered by the charging cord they use. What a joke, but not surprised in the least.
What’s ‘full’ capability? All iPhones to date are only able to transfer data at USB 2 speeds. If Apple switches from Lightning to USB-C, you will still be able to do that with any standard cable. What exactly has Apple taken away from you?
Eh I'm not so sure about that. If they already make a USB-C cable, I highly doubt they care if it charges fast or not on an apple device. Some will pay the fee, but I can see the majority just keeping the cable they have out and just adding a "now works with iphone" sticker on it.
Really digging how people feel apple is wrong for making money. Buy Android
Apple's iPhone 15 series will officially only support USB-C accessories that have been certified by Apple's own Made for iPhone (MFi) program, potentially limiting the functionality of accessories not approved by Apple, an established leaker has now claimed.
Since being introduced in 2012, first-party and MFi-certified Lightning ports and connectors have contained a small integrated circuit that confirms the authenticity of the parts involved in the connection. Non-MFi-certified third-party charging cables, for example, do not feature this chip, often leading to "This accessory is not supported" warnings on connected Apple devices.
Apple is widely expected to switch out the Lightning port for USB-C on iPhone 15 models, and earlier this month, a rumor out of China suggested that the replacement USB-C port would continue to have a Lightning-like authentication chip, despite USB-C ports on Apple's iPads having no such chip.
In a tweet posted on Tuesday, ShrimpApplePro appeared to corroborate the rumor by claiming that "USB-C with MFi is happening," and that Foxconn is already mass producing accessories like EarPods and cables that conform to the Apple certification.
The authenticator chip is there to encourage customers to buy genuine iPhone peripherals, while Apple receives a commission on MFi-certified accessories and the MFi program makes it easier to expose counterfeit and potentially dangerous accessories.
Despite these advantages, the concern from a user perspective is that Apple could use the MFi program to limit features like fast charging and high-speed data transfer to Apple and MFi-certified cables. And that is precisely what AppleShrimpPro believes we should expect. "Cables with no MFi will be software limited in data and charging speed," said the leaker in a follow-up tweet.
According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, the USB-C port on the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus will remain limited to Lightning/USB 2.0 speeds, while faster transfer speeds will be exclusive to the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max models. ShrimpApplePro's tweets add a new complexion to Kuo's prediction.
ShrimpApplePro accurately leaked the hardware design of the Dynamic Island on iPhone 14 Pro models, giving them an established track record for rumors. Earlier this month, the leaker said the iPhone 15 Pro will feature even thinner bezels around the display. ShrimpApplePro also previously claimed that at least one iPhone 15 model will feature a titanium frame and curved rear edges, which could mirror the curved bezels.
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That’s what I just said. The difference is it will become a minimum requirement instead of voluntary in order for fast chargers to have a minimum standard
What if your friend’s charger is a cheap knockoff that fries your phone?
Did you actually read the main article you're commenting in thread on? Here, let me help:
It's not just cables, and not just data transfer rates, I have other USBC accessories, like hubs. One advantage of moving to USBC would be to be able to use things like that without, say, the lightning camera adapter. I, and other folks, are going to expect that standard USBC accessories that already work on iPads and Macs should work too.
Apple's iPhone 15 series will officially only support USB-C accessories that have been certified by Apple's own Made for iPhone (MFi) program, potentially limiting the functionality of accessories not approved by Apple, an established leaker has now claimed.
It involves charging speed, not just data. If a USBC cable can charge my 16" MBP at 120W or my iPad Air at 30W it should damn well be able to charge an iPhone at any speed the iPhone would support.
Some models will have faster than USB 2.0 speeds based on this rumor.
What if that happens with an iPad? What happens if that happens with a Mac? Like you do realize there are already piles of Apple devices that use USBC without this restriction, right? This isnt a major concern these days
regulate doesn't mean design the products. they're literally changing the design and usage of the product.
escalating would take a long time. switching to usb-c temporarily while they challenge it then switching back to lightning makes no sense.
That’s absolutely unacceptable. Hopefully Apple will be given extremely high fines by the EU for violating the spirit of the law
If the iPhone's USB-C charging circuitry is properly designed, it won't get fried, just like the Android phone doesn't get fried.
I guess I’m in the minority then. I don’t use random cables to charge my devices.
I wouldn’t expect something like a USB hub to work with an iPhone, it’s not really the device designed for that kind of functionality. Just like I wouldn’t expect a USBC mouse, monitor or keyboard to work with a USBC iPhone.
Same sized and shaped port doesn’t mean everything with the same plug will work with it (but then you already knew that since that has been repeated sooooo many times on this forum now).
If it's not universal, does that make it just "SB-C"?
Well, other than releasing the iPhone in the first place so that we don't all have to suffer using android 😛
Dont forget, the iPhone is the single most popular consumer product in history. Apple are very pro-consumer else they wouldn’t have that distinction.
Apple are a business. They invented the iPhone to make money. Nothing more, nothing less
Agreed. The same reason any company invests any products.
It literally works right now, you just need the camera adapter. The expectation isnt that something that doesnt work now works later, it’s that something that works now but needs an intermediate adapter will work without one when there’s no need to change the port via one
Btw I know for a fact, having used both, that two of your “wouldn't expect to be supported in the future” devices, keyboards and external monitors are 100% supported on iPhones right now (so are most standard usb accessories, like network adapters, or external drives for storage and transfer, both of which and more I’ve also used), I believe mice are too (going to try that later now, I’m curious, never tried, but given cursor support is decent and external mice are fine with iPads I’m fairly confident it will work, though I suspect it will need an accessibility setting turned on)
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Sure it would as long as they support the power delivery specs in the legislation, nothing in it or the USB spec prevents a company from creating additional ones.
No, the spec specifically allows for that.
What you referenced allows them to do that as long as they support PD.
One advantage is ensuring cables meet the requirements for high speed data transfer and high charging speeds.
I doubt it. Apple's position will make it hard for otehr stores to offer the same features at a price point compelling enough to leave Apple. My guess is developers may simply go to multiple stores.
Or get it fixed, for a fee or under AppleCare.
The USB-C spec allows for many configurations, while incompatible, meet the spec.
Apple can have a custom cable and be fully compliant with the spec and law. Just becasue you may not like what tehy do makes it unethical.
Thye can do that and add their own proprietray methods and still comply.
I doubt there are enough people who wwould care for Apple to even notice. I'd guess 99% of the Pro models are sold to peeple who just want the laetst and greatest or to take snapshots and want the tele.
Exactly. People thought the EU legislation would me one cable to rule them all and will find out that is not the case.
The idea that the spirit of the law is grounds for judicial action is problematic, because then regulations, rather than providing (usually) clear guidance on what must be done become whatever someone thinks they should be. It's up to the legislature to make clear rules, otherwise chaos ensues.
For example, the spirit seems to be to reduce ewaste. Providing a charging cable goes against that so should manufacturers not provide one and assume users will already have one they can use? If they include one, should they "be given extremely high fines by the EU for violating the spirit of the law"?
Indeed it is one cable to rule them all in EU, and it’s not even against the spirit of the law, it’s exactly what the law states.
A minimum standard that everyone supports.
So we can use apple cables, Samsung cables, google cables, naked cables etc etc. they will all support USB PD as a minimum standard. Some cables might support proprietary standards but in the end of the day USB PD will work as a minimum.
This is a completely pointless rumor, especially when Apple already uses USB PD as a standard
Yes yes. Because paying for an extended warranty (that in this case still requires you to further pay for repairs when needed?!) is somehow a great alternative to, you know, following a global industry standard for something as simple as a power cable.
No wonder Apple gets away with the anti-consumer crap that they do. People like you will twist themselves into knots trying to justify these actions just so they don't have to face the reality that they are being bilked by their favourite corporate brand.
Sad.