iPhone 2.0 Firmware Jailbroken Already?

[diamond.g]

Not gonna happen. T-Mobile's 3G will be on 1700/2100MHz, while AT&T's is on 850/1900MHz. And I don't think Apple will add extra bands for a carrier that it doesn't support.

Apple will have to add bands anyways EU uses 1900/2100 for 3G while we use 850/1900 so there is a good chance the 3G portion would work on T-Mobile. Otherwise they would have to make 2 (or more) different phones, 1 for the US and 1 for EU and anyother countries that use different bands.

EDIT: hmm I can't read, lol yeah t-mobile 3G wouldn't work, but HSUPA technically could work as would LTE.


That is why 4G is going to be so great. Everything becomes IP based, so it doesn't matter how you get on the network all communication will be done via IP. The underlying connection becomes less important.

 

[57004]

THANK YOU !!!

Why are you guys so against jailbreaking? If you're not into it then it won't affect you at all. Even if Apple increases the security on their platform, you can be sure that all 100% apple-approved functionality and software will work without a hitch. Apple is not going to cripple their own products to get in the way of the jailbreaking community.

If anything, it will make third-party applications cheaper, better and less restricted, because they will have to compete with community SDK software, which is usually free and always unrestricted.

 

[koobcamuk]

A few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.

These "hackers" keep it up and they're going to ruin it for us the rest of us "good guys". (DRM anyone?) Us honest folk always get the shalf.

I wouldn't say I was dishonest just for jailbreaking an iPhone!

It's just I am less willing to bend over and take it up the a$$ than you.

Think for yourself. Question authority.

 

[julianewus]

personally I do not believe that this iphone is jailbroken, because the app that is displayed is a sample app. provided by apple, in order to show users how to make apps. as for the left side, you get these options if you pay for the $99 licensing however the app store (off and on switch) does nothing it simply provides an icon

 

[huntercr]

Maybe a dumb question here: Why can't Apple sue people that do this?

They can under DMCA , though ttheey will likely go after the beta tester who leaked the firmware, if they do anything, since they have a much stronger binding NDA.

However, in reality they won't do anything. Apple WANTS you to jailbreak. It will let them plug another hole, and you did all the dirty work for them.

Anyway, since iphone apps have to come from the itunes store, it's not going to let you download to a jailbroken ( is that the term? ) iphone, so people who choose to jailbreak are going to conceivably lose functionality.

Remember though in the long run, it's in Apple's best interest to keep the flames aflickering and not do too much one way or another... it's free press, it gets people passionate about the iphone and it makes it much easier to break free of AT&T when the time comes.

People who think they are leading the revolution by supporting the jailbreakers are being played so well, it almost isn't funny.

 

[spazzcat]

Why are you guys so against jailbreaking? ....

I have been wondering the same thing myself. There are some amazing apps right now. And I think if it wasn't for what jailbreak developers have built this SDK would have never happen. Apple sees the value in what they have done and they are now building that into the phone.

 

[Niiro13]

personally I do not believe that this iphone is jailbroken, because the app that is displayed is a sample app. provided by apple, in order to show users how to make apps. as for the left side, you get these options if you pay for the $99 licensing however the app store (off and on switch) does nothing it simply provides an icon

Last i checked, no one (besides those like EA and AOL who already demoed) has that license. I applied, and didn't even hear a word from Apple (and it's not like they have much to check up on...you don't provide any info).

At first I was wondering about that too, but then I clicked on that link in the description and it says that none of the licenses have been issued (good thing to know).

 

[koobcamuk]

However, in reality they won't do anything. Apple WANTS you to jailbreak. It will let them plug another hole, and you did all the dirty work for them.

Agree 100%. Apple wants people to jailbreak. It's free press, shows off the phone, and if something goes wrong; Apple are covered legally because a jailbroken phone is void of warranty officially.

 

[Otaviano]

Anyway, since iphone apps have to come from the itunes store, it's not going to let you download to a jailbroken ( is that the term? ) iphone, so people who choose to jailbreak are going to conceivably lose functionality.

You don't even know the term, but feel confident in making the statement that the App Store won't work on a jailbroken phone. What basis do you have for making this ridiculous assumption? The iTunes WIFI store works on a jailbroken phone, why wouldn't the App Store.

 

[andiwm2003]

Yes I am. They told you that for the same reason ATT will tell you the iPhone only works with their service: profit. If everyone knew you could use 5favs on any phone connected to the tmobile network, why would anyone bother buying a 5fav 'compatible' phone from them when there might possibly be a phone from another carrier they want to unlock and use with their service.

that doesn't make sense because i would have bought a cheap phone from them (the razor) and then they would have me on a 2year contract (and i would simply use my nokia).

but the guy in the shop rather lost the deal than having my buy a razor?

my guess is the guy was simply incompetent. funny thing is he even called in to t-mobile and they confirmed that i can't use my nokia. ridiculous.

luckily my GF bought me an iphone for xmas anyway.....

 

[pounce]

why would you want a jailbroken phone when apple will be releasing the new 2.0 software and apps which are approved and likely to be much better will be released via the app store? i'd feel better installing properly blessed apps then jailbreaking a 2.0 phone for developers that can't play by the rules or can't afford to pay 99 bucks. that makes me too nervous in the face of real open development for the phone. the sdk is likely to get me everything i want for my phone and more, and any developer would be foolish to require a jailbroken phone instead of releasing through the app store.

 

[chr1s60]

Maybe a dumb question here: Why can't Apple sue people that do this?

Are you meaning the customers who jailbreak the phones, the hackers that create the jailbreaks, or both? Either way, I think the answer is the same. Apple doesn't sue because these people are still customers and have bought their phone and secondly, there aren't any apps out there doing anything illegal that makes it worth shutting down. Not to mention what a pain it would be to find all the jailbreakers and hackers in order to sue them.

 

[spazzcat]

Are you meaning the customers who jailbreak the phones, the hackers that create the jailbreaks, or both? Either way, I think the answer is the same. Apple doesn't sue because these people are still customers and have bought their phone and secondly, there aren't any apps out there doing anything illegal that makes it worth shutting down. Not to mention what a pain it would be to find all the jailbreakers and hackers in order to sue them.

Its also not illegal to unlock your phone. Wasn't there case not too long ago about this???

 

[pine1045]

Is anyone else still having trouble downloading the SDK?

 

[axcess99]

But Apple has better tailors.

how sartorial

 

[pine1045]

why would you want a jailbroken phone when apple will be releasing the new 2.0 software and apps which are approved and likely to be much better will be released via the app store? i'd feel better installing properly blessed apps then jailbreaking a 2.0 phone for developers that can't play by the rules or can't afford to pay 99 bucks. that makes me too nervous in the face of real open development for the phone. the sdk is likely to get me everything i want for my phone and more, and any developer would be foolish to require a jailbroken phone instead of releasing through the app store.

Because apple will put the wraps on a lot of applications people want/need that the underground community is willing to provide. Apple failed to deliver quality 3rd party apps at release so people did it themselves. And although some really amazing apps will come out in June, there will be a market for competition and if something works better in a jailbroken flavor than an apple store flavor then people will go for that. A jailbroken 2.0 iPhone will be the best of both worlds. If it wasn't for the jailbreak community in the first place, there wouldn't even be an SDK now. Apple's beginnings were about NOT playing by the rules. It's those the mavericks that create change and it also has nothing to do with "not being able to afford $99"; it's the idea that there shouldn't be a barrier to entry for creativity.

 

[SPUY767]

This is good, let's be sure to give apple plenty of time to fix the easier loopholes before most of us can actually use a phone with the firmware.

 

[twoodcc]

wow, that was quick. but they'll have to jailbreak the real 2.0 also

 

[Tosser]

Keep fighting jail breakers...

Did you skip a comma by any chance? "Keep fighting, jail breakers"?

Anyway. This is bloody excellent. It's just a shame it's necessary to jailbreak to get basic features like disk mode (usb mass storage).

 

[Starflyer]

They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.

Or maybe they are both for-profit companies and they do what they think is the best way for them to make a profit.

Apple failed to deliver quality 3rd party apps at release so people did it themselves..

Um... If Apple provided them, would they still be third party apps?

 

[eastcoastsurfer]

Apple's beginnings were about NOT playing by the rules. It's those the mavericks that create change and it also has nothing to do with "not being able to afford $99"; it's the idea that there shouldn't be a barrier to entry for creativity.

Exactly! "Think different" is now "think like SJ" Maybe Apple needs to go back and re-watch some of their own commercials. Bringing back Woz could help too

 

[Mac Pro 5GB]

All of this downloading of the SDK has caused a problem. You cannot currently activate iPhones, Apple is having problems and the activation process is not working. You get a message that activations are currently unavailable and to disconnect your iPhone and try again later.

 

[57004]

why would you want a jailbroken phone when apple will be releasing the new 2.0 software and apps which are approved and likely to be much better will be released via the app store? i'd feel better installing properly blessed apps then jailbreaking a 2.0 phone for developers that can't play by the rules or can't afford to pay 99 bucks. that makes me too nervous in the face of real open development for the phone. the sdk is likely to get me everything i want for my phone and more, and any developer would be foolish to require a jailbroken phone instead of releasing through the app store.

Like someone already said, there will be lots of applications that Apple won't allow or will restrict in some way. Also they have the option of picking high-priced apps over free ones that do the same. Say, if Microsoft makes an MSN Chat app that costs $40 and creates lots of revenue for Apple, would they approve a version of the Adium chat program which is free and does the same thing? Even if it's just as good.

Considering Apple's actions lately (even managing to get revenue kickbacks from the providers) I would not be suprised if they do just that, and that they will use the revenue they will make rather than the technical quality of the software when choosing applications to publish.

The jailbreak will really give you the freedom of choosing what you want to use on your phone, not what Apple wants you to use on it. It will also be a requirement for unlocking (of course) so lots of people including myself will still use it. Not to mention when the time comes when someone finds a way to run pirated copies of Apple's paid-for SDK apps on the iPhone. (I hope this won't happen though as it will put the jailbreak community in a bad light but it is bound to eventually happen).

So I don't think the days of jailbreak are over. On the contrary.

 

[gtarz]

No free lunch

Nothing is ever free...someone always pays for it. Wheather its your time you spent developing the product, or time away from family, or whatever, nothing is ever free. If your going to spend time developing a great app, why not charge for it. Your intellectual property is worth it...right? In my experience with jailbroken 3rd party apps is that they are pretty unreliable. (I know safaris not much better!) but I feel like the checks and balances that the app store would bring is more reliablity. And I would gladly pay for that. Props to the dev team, but no jailbreaking for me.

 

[pine1045]

Or maybe they are both for-profit companies and they do what they think is the best way for them to make a profit.



Um... If Apple provided them, would they still be third party apps?

I meant as in they delivered apps 3rd parties made right from the start.