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iPhone 2.0 Firmware Jailbroken Already?

bmk said:
You are being a bit naive - hackers are not circumventing DRM so that they can help people put cds they own on their car stereos. They do it so they (and by extension the people who download music for free) don't have to pay money to the artists who created the music (and of course the evil bloated corporate record company which owns them).
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Really? I use pro audio equipment, that hasn't any recognition of DRM (digital in (with the included DRM) comes out digitally without the DRM – without going through a DA/AD-converter. It makes it possible for me to actually work (don't worry, if using a song or track that has to be paid royalties for, it is done).

Secondly, here it's absolutely legal to rip your CD to your computer and dump it to a CD for your car, boat, summerhouse and closest family – the "household".

Thirdly, it's perfectly legal to make back-up copies.

Fourthly, and this I find the most irritating in this country. For each blank CD/MD/HDD (i.e. any "recording media"), the consumers (I am exempted, because of my work, so I get it back) pay a tax that goes directly to the artist. And even so, they _still_ try thwart me making a back-up?

There are many reasons for circumventing DRM. Not even by a longshot is "sharing" the best reason. In fact, why should the record companies limit my perfectly legal options as a regular consumer when I purchase a CD? I buy the bloody CD because MP3's etc have crap audio quality as it is.

We all know that it is not 'fair' to the artist to download a track we haven't paid for, but how many people can say that they have paid for ALL the digital content they have on their computers/iPods?
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You won't find any "digital content" on my computer, audio player or anything of that sort, that I haven't acquired legally. Yes. If you check my computer, you will find a few tracks, that I have yet to pay for – three songs, that when broadcast in my feature will be paid in full, per a per-listener basis. Of course I have no intention of buying the CD, when the broadcast company have it in their discoteque and it's used to produce a feature for them. But, as I said. All this is perfectly legal.
 
Mac Pro 5GB said:
All of this downloading of the SDK has caused a problem. You cannot currently activate iPhones, Apple is having problems and the activation process is not working. You get a message that activations are currently unavailable and to disconnect your iPhone and try again later.
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Is that cause the SDK is installed, or it this due to the servers being overloaded?

You would think Apple would have a more robust server solution to keep things like that from happening.


EDIT: wow, not only Jailbroken, but unlocked as well. That is crazy fast.
 
I'm happy too, but .....

I've gotta say, this really isn't about "fascism". That's WAY too dramatic and exaggerated. The bottom line is, companies have a DUTY to maximize revenue. Their stockholders wouldn't have bought into the businesses in the first place if that wasn't an implicit promise to them.

Within the realm of what's legal, a company SHOULD try to come up with as many ways as possible to earn a profit for their efforts. Microsoft is much despised because they're seen as crossing the line of what's legal (and seemingly getting away with it in most cases).

I don't think Apple is seen in quite that same light. Being a *hardware* as well as a software company, they're more interested in offering a "bundled alternative" to a generic PC running Microsoft software. OS X is simply part of a whole "computer experience" they want to sell people. They *might* stand to make more money if they started marketing OS X by itself, for use on any PC clone out there. But obviously, that's not their business model right now. (I think they realize how much control you lose over the whole thing when your software gets installed on who knows what quality of machine.)

Lately, it appears like Apple has been pretty "neutral" about the jailbreaking projects. Why do you think the 1.1.4 firmware took NO extra effort to jailbreak from 1.1.3? Why do you think 2.0 beta was broken so quickly? It's obviously not a priority of theirs to PREVENT hackers from doing any of this.

I think from Apple's point of view, the *only* reason they won't open it ALL up wide open with the SDK is the fact they're partnered up with AT&T in a unique fashion with this whole iPhone thing. They get a cut of monthly contract revenue from them (unheard of in the industry), and AT&T apparently invested a lot of up-front money in the iPhone project.

Just like the way Apple probably PREFERRED not to even do DRM on their music, but did anyway - they're making a few choices they probably don't prefer to make with the phone right now. Sometimes you have to make a few concessions in order to move an industry forward.


MagnusVonMagnum said:
Maybe for the same reason you can't be sued for putting whatever software you want on a PowerMac or a PC running Windows. Apple needs to learn that people are going to put what THEY WANT on their desktops, laptops and smart phones, not what Apple wants them to put on it. Others just seem to think that's OK. Personally, I hate fascism in any form. I say thumbs up to jailbreak, bypassing Apple stores, monopolies and general denial of freedom of choice. While I like Macs better than PCs because of OSX, I don't like Apple any better than Microsoft. They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.
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Hmm, I was under the impression if a phone was Jailbroken, that it may not work properly with the new AppStore. However, if I can have both approved and unapproved apps, I would be happy as all hell. :)
 
eastcoastsurfer said:
Exactly! "Think different" is now "think like SJ" Maybe Apple needs to go back and re-watch some of their own commercials. Bringing back Woz could help too ;)
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Despite my respect for Jobs sometimes I wish Woz would burst through his office door slap Steve-o around a bit and tell him he was coming back to Apple to set up shop. I think Woz and his views would bring some balance back at Apple. Not everything Jobs does is Apple like.
 
cazlar said:
I can understand people not being interested in jailbreaking their own phones, but I can't understand why so many people are so vehemently against other people doing stuff to their own phones. If I have a jailbroken phone, it doesn't affect you in the slightest.

As to this new jailbreak, great news.
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Hmm, actually, I can understand why some people would be upset. Not because they care what people do to their phones. Hell, paint your iPhone bright red and run over it with your car for all I care. But such an easy one day jailbreak gives the impression Apple can't provide security with their products.

Not that I agree with that assessment mind you. There is a reason this is a "beta" release. As someone else stated, don't look for the final release to be such an easy jailbreak. I'm betting it will take a bit more work once the public release is out.

As for the impact on Apple, besides a little possibly unwanted press, it won't affect them much I think.
Most developers will probably still sell their apps on the App Store. Given it's high availability, ease of use on the end user, no hosting fees or worries, etc. most developers will pass on releasing apps that require a jailbroken phone for their customers to have to use them.

I see it like this- Bittorrent and other download sites have not killed the iTunes Store. Jailbreak methods will not kill the App Store, for all the same reasons.
 
MM2270 said:
Not that I agree with that assessment mind you. There is a reason this is a "beta" release. As someone else stated, don't look for the final release to be such an easy jailbreak. I'm betting it will take a bit more work once the public release is out.
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nah. don't you worry about that :D
 
I think that the original ...

"This is really moronic. Why do people keep doing this?"

... quote, probably refers to the "goose that lays the golden eggs" scenario. (look it up)

Hacking into the iPhone *is* pretty moronic IMO and very "high school." It's no surprise that a lot of the hackers are graduates of the Xbox 360 school of life as well. :rolleyes:

The SDK is interesting for me mostly in how it will affect iPhone hacker culture. Being as there are only a very few (and mostly illicit) reasons to hack into the iPhone now, and being as most developers of "serious" iPhone applications will be using the SDK/certification route, the hackers frog-pond will get a lot smaller and a lot more stinky.

Very soon the only iPhone hackers left will be annoying idiot kids, spammers, and those 40-something Russian porno dudes. ;)
 
Virgil-TB2 said:
Very soon the only iPhone hackers left will be annoying idiot kids, spammers, and those 40-something Russian porno dudes. ;)
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That, and (with the current restrictions in place)

  • People wanting to run emulators
  • People wanting to run any kind of network-based background notification such as IM
  • Anyone living in a country where the iPhone is not sold yet (so most of the world)
  • Anyone who wants to use their iPhone on a non-Apple-blessed network
  • Anyone who wants to customize their iPhone more than Apple likes (e.g. HTTP proxies over EDGE)
In fact, I see no reason why the people you are mentioning would want to hack their iPhones.
 
I am really shocked by the anger at people doing what they want with their phones- legal or not. I don't care what the "law" or what the "rules" are, when you pay that much for a phone you can tinker and do what you want- even if some mega corporation tells you no. Just because its in a contract doesn't make it right. Hell I smoke pot, thats illegal, but no one should be telling me what I can and can't do in my own home bought with money I earned. Same goes for my phone, my thermostat, my television, my car, etc... Just sick of so many people who aren't me trying to tell me what I can and can't do.
 
ruinfx said:
just think how long your battery would last if an im client was constantly running in the background and connecting to the internet. there are programs like this for the n95 and they rape battery life.
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Perhaps that is the n95. I have a Sidekick 2, and have absolutely *NO* battery issues with AIM & Yahoo running at all times.

If the Sidekick 2 (which is 3 year old phone) has no issues, why should the iPhone have an issues? Especially, since the iPhone is supposedly: "The most advanced phone in the world?"

w00master
 
tuneman07 said:
I am really shocked by the anger at people doing what they want with their phones- legal or not. I don't care what the "law" or what the "rules" are, when you pay that much for a phone you can tinker and do what you want- even if some mega corporation tells you no. Just because its in a contract doesn't make it right. Hell I smoke pot, thats illegal, but no one should be telling me what I can and can't do in my own home bought with money I earned. Same goes for my phone, my thermostat, my television, my car, etc... Just sick of so many people who aren't me trying to tell me what I can and can't do.
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Well said.

I also find it ironic that same people who complain about jailbreakers use the *exact* same arguments for why people should "own" their music and not "rent" them.

Go ahead, read through the old posts regarding iTunes Store music vs. Subscription based music. You'll see the same arguments on "I OWN what I BOUGHT."

Yup, we do, and now they are moaning about jailbreakers? Lame.

w00master
 
Jailbreak iTunes instead

I think if the intent is to get "unauthorized" software on the iPhone without going through the appropriate Apple iTS channel, the more direct route would be for someone to jailbreak the loading app, so that users can load an app package directly into iTunes, and bypass the iTS. That way your iPhone can remain untouched, and further firmware/OS upgrades will be unhindered.

It may not even require hacking iTunes either. If someone can write an emulator that makes iTunes think it's receiving the app from iTS, it should be possible to load into the system. Of course one would have to find out what kind of authentication iTS and iTunes does when they transfer a file.
 
Virgil-TB2 said:
I think that the original ...

"This is really moronic. Why do people keep doing this?"

... quote, probably refers to the "goose that lays the golden eggs" scenario. (look it up)

Hacking into the iPhone *is* pretty moronic IMO and very "high school." It's no surprise that a lot of the hackers are graduates of the Xbox 360 school of life as well. :rolleyes:

The SDK is interesting for me mostly in how it will affect iPhone hacker culture. Being as there are only a very few (and mostly illicit) reasons to hack into the iPhone now, and being as most developers of "serious" iPhone applications will be using the SDK/certification route, the hackers frog-pond will get a lot smaller and a lot more stinky.

Very soon the only iPhone hackers left will be annoying idiot kids, spammers, and those 40-something Russian porno dudes. ;)
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that's exactly what I think too.. I really like the pond part :)
 
GekkePrutser said:
That, and (with the current restrictions in place)
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Nah, IMO your list is kinda lame, sorry.

In recent articles on some large Mac sites, lists have been made of what are the popular, good, or desirable iPhone applications and the vast majority of them are easily handled by the SDK as it currently exists, even if we suppose an extremely restrictive control scenario by Apple (and note that there is absolutely nothing to indicate that Apple will actually be that restrictive when it comes to iPhone apps).

GekkePrutser said:
1 - People wanting to run emulators
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ie. a few geeks
GekkePrutser said:
2 - People wanting to run any kind of network-based background notification such as IM
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already announced as possible/coming with SDK
GekkePrutser said:
3 - Anyone living in a country where the iPhone is not sold yet (so most of the world)
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irrelevant, we are talking about hacking apps not unlocking
GekkePrutser said:
4 - Anyone who wants to use their iPhone on a non-Apple-blessed network
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same as 3
GekkePrutser said:
5 - Anyone who wants to customize their iPhone more than Apple likes (e.g. HTTP proxies over EDGE)
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same as 1
GekkePrutser said:
In fact, I see no reason why the people you are mentioning would want to hack their iPhones.
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I don't either.

My point was that with the SDK, what will happen is the iPhone "hacker community" :rolleyes: will be reduced to:
  • a few geeks and nerds that do no harm, hack for the challenge alone and Apple could care less about, (i.e. "true" hackers) and ....
  • criminal-esque 1337 haxors (kiddies).

Just my opinion of course, but I am usually right ;)
 
Virgil-TB2 said:
I think that the original ...

"This is really moronic. Why do people keep doing this?"

... quote, probably refers to the "goose that lays the golden eggs" scenario. (look it up)

Hacking into the iPhone *is* pretty moronic IMO and very "high school." It's no surprise that a lot of the hackers are graduates of the Xbox 360 school of life as well. :rolleyes:

The SDK is interesting for me mostly in how it will affect iPhone hacker culture. Being as there are only a very few (and mostly illicit) reasons to hack into the iPhone now.
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Dude, get a clue. For serious.

I haven't met or seen a single iPhone/Touch owner till now that didn't have custom apps (read: jailbroken phone) loaded.

Also just so you know, many of the iPhone devs actually make more money from their day jobs per month than you can possibly make in a year. And they are in their 30/40s. The devs span system engineers, hardware engineers, software architects, and people in academia too. This image that you have of the devs being script kiddies is utter rubbish and insulting.
 
I'm not down with the whole Jailbreaking thing. Maybe it's generational or maybe it's just me.

When you activate your iPhone, you electronically consent to the Terms of Agreement where Apple explicitly states that you can't do stuff like Jailbreak the phone. Color me stupid but I respect that agreement.

Mind you, I understand why someone would want to add some fun and silly apps. but the bottom line is that it's illegal and wrong. Of course, many/most of the people who are Jailbreaking their iPhone grew up with peer-to-peer file "sharing" (and I use that term very loosely) and feel they have a right to free music. Go figure......
 
I haven't met or seen a single iPhone/Touch owner till now that didn't have custom apps (read: jailbroken phone) loaded.
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Must be he crowd you hang out with because the *vast* majority of iPhone owners have *not* used Jailbreak on their Touch/iPhone.
 
Isn't possible that Apple has deliberately made it easy, to attract some people unsatisfied with Apple policy, while officially Apple keeps some control over iphone's software? I mean, this way those who don't care risking to impair their iphone by installing all kind of software can, but on the other side Apple by keeping control over software can still offer an "Apple quality" guaranty.

Sorry for my bad english.
 
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