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I might not have paid for all the media i have, but I usually pay for most of the music I have. The unfortunate (or fortunate?) part is that artists tend to make most of their money from concerts/promotions and usually don't make much from album sales. With the need of physical distribution gone, hopefully more and more artists can find better deals with new "marketing only" record companies and even going it alone when they are popular.

I think you are right that, for the most part, the creators of 'intellectual copyright' are not those who benefit most from the enforcing of copyright laws - it is film and record companies and publishers who gain the most. Like you, I hope that the new developments in digital distribution - such as Radiohead's recent record release - will help to shift the balance away from the corporate control of artistic content and allow a more direct relationship between the consumer and the artists/creators themselves.
 
Maybe a dumb question here: Why can't Apple sue people that do this?

For what reason? You can go to a store and buy an iPhone, without signing any contract. Not that it is very useful in this state. That iPhone is yours, and you can do with it whatever you want. You can nail it to the wall, if you want, or you can install software on it that Apple doesn't want you to install. There is nothing they can do about it in legal terms. (Of course, in the USA anyone can sue anyone for any reason or without any reason. So Apple can sue, they just cannot win).

You are being a bit naive - hackers are not circumventing DRM so that they can help people put cds they own on their car stereos. They do it so they (and by extension the people who download music for free) don't have to pay money to the artists who created the music (and of course the evil bloated corporate record company which owns them). The issue is not a black and white one - if DRM was more reasonable/flexible less people would try and get round it. We all know that it is not 'fair' to the artist to download a track we haven't paid for, but how many people can say that they have paid for ALL the digital content they have on their computers/iPods?

Did you know that of all the money that the RIAA has made in various court cases, so far not one penny has gone to any artists?

Anyway, DRM on downloaded music is stupid when the same music can be bought on a CD without any copy prevention. What point is there to keep ten percent of the customers from sharing music?

I don't know about "circumnavigating" DRM, but it can certainly always be circumvented.

If you download music from iTMS, burn it on a CD, then rip it with Apple Lossless compression, all using standard Apple software that every Mac or Windows user can download for free directly from Apple, that could be called "circumnavigating" :D

Freedom of choice doesn´t mean that you are allowed to do everything you want! It means that you have the freedom to choose whether you want to pay for a product or not. Jailbreaking is just illegal!!

You are right in that it is illegal for convicted criminals to leave their jail without permission, but modifying your own iPhone to allow installing of third party software is not illegal in any way.
 
This will be very useful for people who want to use the SDK to create their iPhone apps, without distributing, and install without paying $99 to Apple.
 
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iMouse said:
Sure it does, It's a pandora's box. Once the system is broken and more and more documentation is built about the system, then we will likely face a greater likelyhood of iPhoneOS malware.

Kinda like all the malware on the Mac OS? ...oh, wait.

what malware? Really? I much rather buy from apple and not have to worry about my iPhone been brick on the next firmware update. As a developer I think that a 70/30 split is generous cosidering that I don't have to worry about anything but developing the app.
 
Yet you freely hand your money over them. You are the greedy one. Producing a product and try to control the quality of that product is not fascist. You don't even know what fascism is...but I'm sure you'll run over to Wikipedia and become an expert.

Maybe companies should just quit creating products so we don't have to listen to ******s like you.

Maybe for the same reason you can't be sued for putting whatever software you want on a PowerMac or a PC running Windows. Apple needs to learn that people are going to put what THEY WANT on their desktops, laptops and smart phones, not what Apple wants them to put on it. Others just seem to think that's OK. Personally, I hate fascism in any form. I say thumbs up to jailbreak, bypassing Apple stores, monopolies and general denial of freedom of choice. While I like Macs better than PCs because of OSX, I don't like Apple any better than Microsoft. They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.
 
did anybody know if you can use the "MyFavs" feature of t-mobile on a jailbreak iPhone? I need that feature and if you can have it on an iPhone I will buy one and hack it ASAP. thanx
 
Why do you need a constant IM connection? All you really need is for your IM client to act as if it had a constant connection.

I use IM on my iPhone and the first thing I do when I am done is hold down the home button to force the app closed. If I wanted to receive IM's in the background it is my choice.

I would still want the ability of a summerboard type of app and some utilities that can run in the background like a notification nag.

- James
 
Maybe for the same reason you can't be sued for putting whatever software you want on a PowerMac or a PC running Windows. Apple needs to learn that people are going to put what THEY WANT on their desktops, laptops and smart phones, not what Apple wants them to put on it. Others just seem to think that's OK. Personally, I hate fascism in any form. I say thumbs up to jailbreak, bypassing Apple stores, monopolies and general denial of freedom of choice. While I like Macs better than PCs because of OSX, I don't like Apple any better than Microsoft. They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.

rite on..now all i want is fr the guys to use the SDk and gimme some apps on installer, if they would work on 1.1.4
that would be awesome
:D
 
Without those writing 3rd party apps there would not have been an sdk. Apple initially didn't want to allow 3rd party apps, but now realize with the 500k+ unlocked phones and jailbraking community gave them a new opportunity to make $.

They not only sell to people who don't live in a country with iphone, but can sell millions of apps and make money of them and off the deveopers too.

You cant really be so naive as to believe that Apple hadn't considered all the ways available to them for making money off the iPhone! No-one at Apple realized they could make money off 3rd party applications - really?

3rd party apps and an sdk would have been planned all along, the various announcements regarding no 3rd party apps or sdk were just their way of managing expectations until they were in a position to deliver given how stretched they were to even get the basics of the phone ready for it's release.

I also believe Apple don't really worry about jailbreaking, they probably figure the people who do that will be in a tiny minority and the vast majority of iPhone users will buy blessed applications through the AppStore.
 
A few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.

These "hackers" keep it up and they're going to ruin it for us the rest of us "good guys". (DRM anyone?) Us honest folk always get the shalf.
 
although i have no intention to ever jailbreak or unlock my iphone i hope the jailbreakers remain successful.

that's because it seems apple censors not only the programming quality/standards of iphone software but also the content (e.g. no pRon).

that would be a dangerous precedent. it's like black and dekker forbidding you to use their powerdrills to work on a billboard for lucky strike cigarettes.:eek: that's inconcievable.

it's not up to companies to censor content. and for a "information" device that's a dangerous strategy.
 
did anybody know if you can use the "MyFavs" feature of t-mobile on a jailbreak iPhone? I need that feature and if you can have it on an iPhone I will buy one and hack it ASAP. thanx

The myfavs will apply to whatever #s you set up on the tmobile site, it's not phone dependent. Even though the iphone wont have the 5favs interface, it still works the same(unlimited). You can just put those # in the favorites tab of the iphone phonebook and have the same effect.

been using it this way for months
 
A few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.

These "hackers" keep it up and they're going to ruin it for us the rest of us "good guys". (DRM anyone?) Us honest folk always get the shalf.

Are you implying that the devteam are not honest?. sheesh.

They produced an open toolchain (do you know how much work that is?) for the iPhone so you can make the most out of your phone, and without asking people for a dime. They never ever released a single tool that included Apple copyrighted material.

Yeah, you have no clue what you are talking about.
 
The myfavs will apply to whatever #s you set up on the tmobile site, it's not phone dependent. Even though the iphone wont have the 5favs interface, it still works the same(unlimited). You can just put those # in the favorites tab of the iphone phonebook and have the same effect.

been using it this way for months

umpf, when i was in the t-mobile store they said myfavs only works on special phones. it says it so on their flyers. they specifically told me i can't use it on my phone (not an iphone, some nokia) even when i try to set it up via the website. that's why i didn't sign a contract with them. i walked out of the store. i guess if it was possible thhey would have told me to keep the deal. are you in US?
 
What if you owned a company that had a great product and sold it to people... had an agreement with another company to get it out to people. But then someone breaks the idea and sells it to someone else? But its still your product? What now? ...... I'm curious to know how you all feel.:confused:

I'm a Graphic Artist / Artist / Illustrator :D

How is it still your product if you sold it.

What if FORD had a product and sold it to people... had an agreement with DEALERSHIPS to get it out to people. But then someone MODIFIES and sells it to someone else? What now?
 
I don't really see how the two are related. This doesn't change the fact that the iPhone is not 3G, and that T-Mobile (at least in the U.S.) has no 3G coverage.

He is talking about the near future. Everyone knows the 3g iphone hits in June. And that all the telcos are scrambling to rollout 3G...quickly. Try to keep up hmm? :rolleyes:
 
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what malware? Really? I much rather buy from apple and not have to worry about my iPhone been brick on the next firmware update. As a developer I think that a 70/30 split is generous cosidering that I don't have to worry about anything but developing the app.

Waiting for the penny to drop on this one :D
 
umpf, when i was in the t-mobile store they said myfavs only works on special phones. it says it so on their flyers. they specifically told me i can't use it on my phone (not an iphone, some nokia) even when i try to set it up via the website. that's why i didn't sign a contract with them. i walked out of the store. i guess if it was possible thhey would have told me to keep the deal. are you in US?

Yes I am. They told you that for the same reason ATT will tell you the iPhone only works with their service: profit. If everyone knew you could use 5favs on any phone connected to the tmobile network, why would anyone bother buying a 5fav 'compatible' phone from them when there might possibly be a phone from another carrier they want to unlock and use with their service.
 
myFaves

did anybody know if you can use the "MyFavs" feature of t-mobile on a jailbreak iPhone? I need that feature and if you can have it on an iPhone I will buy one and hack it ASAP. thanx

I don't know about using "my faves" directly on the iphone but their is a way around it. All you have to do is buy a cheap my-faves-approved phone set up your my faves on that phone. The choices you make will still work on the iPhone you just can't set up or change who your my faves are without an approved phone.

PS. I tried out myFaves and it didn't help nearly as much as I thought it would. I'm sure that there are people who it would help... just didn't really do much for me.
 
Maybe a dumb question here: Why can't Apple sue people that do this?

Because it is not illegal? I don't particularly care about the opinions of other countries but in this case I have to kinda side with them. They laugh at the U.S. and the primitive condition of our cellular phone market. Its illegal in a lot of other countries to lock a phone to one carrier. But even so, for the iphone to be the success that it is (at least thus far) Steve had to cut the deal that he did with AT&T.
 
I'm not so bright this morning

I don't know about using "my faves" directly on the iphone but their is a way around it. All you have to do is buy a cheap my-faves-approved phone set up your my faves on that phone. The choices you make will still work on the iPhone you just can't set up or change who your my faves are without an approved phone.

PS. I tried out myFaves and it didn't help nearly as much as I thought it would. I'm sure that there are people who it would help... just didn't really do much for me.

OK... now i feel like a moron... see posts that are a few above mine. Apparently you can just set up myFaves online. SO...... you don't even need a cheap phone. (I would still buy one to have as a back up but I'm the paranoid type so YMMV.)
 
crappy AT&T.

I've had AT&T/Cingular/AT&T since *1998*. Started with TDMA, was an early adopter of GSM. Their service is *not* crappy. At various companies where I've worked, I've had to deal with Verizon, Sprint, NexTel & T-Mobile business accounts. With ONE exception where Verizon had better coverage in a certain area, they have all sucked donkey compared to AT&T.
 
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