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I think to stay competitive with the iphone (to what degree the Touch needs to be competitive with the iphone is clearly debatable), the Touch will need some hardware upgrade or storage upgrade in September +. Considering the student promotion, I wouldn't look for a change in it anytime soon. Unless the entire lineup of iPod prices is going to change (unlikely), we should look for new features/more storage rather than a change in price. Bluetooth for instance (crossed fingers).
 
I think to stay competitive with the iphone (to what degree the Touch needs to be competitive with the iphone is clearly debatable), the Touch will need some hardware upgrade or storage upgrade in September +. Considering the student promotion, I wouldn't look for a change in it anytime soon. Unless the entire lineup of iPod prices is going to change (unlikely), we should look for new features/more storage rather than a change in price. Bluetooth for instance (crossed fingers).

its not a iphone or ipod touch world.
 
Im mainly getting the touch because I like my cell and didn't want to switch over to AT&T for the iphone and the touch is cheaper then the Iphone. Are you guys even adding in the money you'll be paying over the 2yr contracts?:rolleyes:

Are people not paying for cell service over 2 years anyway, with or without the iphone. The kind of comparism is totally innacurate. One is a phone the other is an mp3/video player.
 
I put up my 8gig touch with extras for sale on craigslist, asking price- 240. this moron kept on emailing me about how you can get the same capacity iPhone brand new for $200, and that my price made no sense. the touch is not the iPhone, I told him. these are 2 different products. I told him compare the touch to the touch which cost about $327 with tax.

That is the problem with Apple's decision to offer a subsidy. There are too many morons (read majority) that won't see the real cost, but just the price they have to pay. People will always see $199 (with contract or not) and ask why they should pay more for less when considering the touch.

I think Apple may have to bend to the will of the consumer on this one by lowering the price and/or adding features to the touch. Either that or perhaps they'll be happy with everyone buying an iphone instead of a touch. I guess it could be win/win for them either way.
 
That is the problem with Apple's decision to offer a subsidy. There are too many morons (read majority) that won't see the real cost, but just the price they have to pay. People will always see $199 (with contract or not) and ask why they should pay more for less when considering the touch.

I think Apple may have to bend to the will of the consumer on this one by lowering the price and/or adding features to the touch. Either that or perhaps they'll be happy with everyone buying an iphone instead of a touch. I guess it could be win/win for them either way.

I think even most morons will realize that the iPhone is the gift that keeps on taking, whereas the iPod touch is a one-time cost. It's pretty simple and, frankly, a little shocking that the conversation has lasted this long.

Simply put, the iPhone is a smartphone and the iPod touch is a media player with some PDA functions. Both are great devices but are, despite many similarities, quite different.

The only way Apple will drop the price on the touch is if they think they can make more money that way. I don't think it will happen, because they haven't exactly been slashing prices on other iPod models and it seems like they've done pretty well there.
 
The only way your comparison makes sense is for people that don't have or want a cell phone (getting the Touch is a no brainer) or have a cell phone and won't replace their cell service with the iPhone but will just add another service plan (Touch is also a no brainer).

For people that would be switching services or renewing a contract they already have, you can't count the iPhone's entire monthly service contract because they would be paying for some sort of cell phone service whether or not they got the iPhone. The only part of the monthly service contract you can tack on to the "price" you give for the iPhone is that which the customer would not have paid had he not gotten the iPhone and stuck with some other plan and the Touch instead.

Maybe you're assuming that most people are in the first boat, but as far as I know, people with enough money to be in the market for iPods and iPhones have cell phone plans...

listen, one is a CELL PHONE the other is an IPOD, they are DIFFERENT products with DIFFERENT costs of ownership. are you really desperate enough to try and argue they're the same thing?
 
I think even most morons will realize that the iPhone is the gift that keeps on taking, whereas the iPod touch is a one-time cost. It's pretty simple and, frankly, a little shocking that the conversation has lasted this long.

you're clearly underestimating their enormous desperation & the lengths they'll go to rationalize otherwise.
 
I'll buy a Touch once Apple drops the price or increases the capacity. If I have to wait until September, so be it. I was going to go for an iPhone and not use the phone, but as that clearly won't work out, I'll go for a Touch.
 
no contract required

i'm from the UK and the provider of the iphone here- O2 -are offering it on " pay as you go " which means that for 99 pounds you get an iphone not the 2200 that someone posted.This will make the touch redundant unless a similar/better price drop which seems unlikely as the whole ipod price structure would need to change -- very strange.
 
i'm from the UK and the provider of the iphone here- O2 -are offering it on " pay as you go " which means that for 99 pounds you get an iphone not the 2200 that someone posted.This will make the touch redundant unless a similar/better price drop which seems unlikely as the whole ipod price structure would need to change -- very strange.

O2 haven't announced any pricing for PAYG yet.

Be prepared to pay a lot more than £99 for the iPhone on PAYG ;)
 
yes they have

iPhone is now free on selected Pay Monthly tariffs*

There's only one thing better than an iPhone. The new iPhone 3G.

*Best of all, the new 8GB iPhone won't cost you a penny on our £45 and £75 tariffs. And it's just £99 on our £35 tariff and new £30 tariff.
 
i'm from the UK and the provider of the iphone here- O2 -are offering it on " pay as you go " which means that for 99 pounds you get an iphone not the 2200 that someone posted.This will make the touch redundant unless a similar/better price drop which seems unlikely as the whole ipod price structure would need to change -- very strange.
Dude you're dreaming. There is no way you are getting an iPhone for 99 pounds without signing a contract. O2 (and Apple) would lose truckloads cash on every phone they sold. As an educated guess from the Italian PAYG prices you'll be paying at least 3 times that to walk out of the store not on a contract.

Yes they have

iPhone is now free on selected Pay Monthly tariffs*

There's only one thing better than an iPhone. The new iPhone 3G.

*Best of all, the new 8GB iPhone won't cost you a penny on our £45 and £75 tariffs. And it's just £99 on our £35 tariff and new £30 tariff.
That's not PAYG pricing. That's the price on the different tariffs.
 
pay as you go

iPhone 3G is coming soon for Pay & Go

Customers will soon be able to enjoy all the great features of iPhone 3G without a monthly contract with the iPhone 3G for Pay & Go.

However they do not mention price for pasyg suggesting it will be more expensive.
 
ok not on PAYG BUT...

99 ponds on a 30 pound tarriff is still pretty good if you need a tariff for a phone anyway.
 
99 ponds on a 30 pound tarriff is still pretty good if you need a tariff for a phone anyway.

Depends what that tariff offers though. Most of the old iPhone tariffs were rubbish. Eg, my O2 PAYG Tariff costs me £15 a month and I get unlimited texts and calls to other O2 numbers and if I top up £30 a month, I get unlimites texts and calls to any network. I'd like to see a contract tariff beat that deal.
 
It's a good thing that practically speaking, this decision was made easy for me. As a student, I'll be able to get a 32GB iPod Touch for $200 (since my PC laptop and mp3 player are 4 years old and in need of replacement anyways). Then, I'll stick with Verizon, get a $100 phone with a $50/month contract that gives me unlimited SMS.

Sure beats $299 for a 16GB iPhone with a 2 year contract. :D

Without the promo, I'd wait for the seemingly certain Touch price drop and get that. The $75 minimum monthly service plan for the iPhone is too much for my law school budget to handle.
 
so.. Am I to assume you cannot by any means get an iphone w/o a contract. I was considering this as well because I wouldnt mind having an a 16g iphone w/o a DATA plan. Granted, this certainly negates quiet a bit of the iphone functionality, but come on... its cheaper than the touch and it has a ton more functionality.

I understand the subsodies and the contracts make up the diff, but still from a pure marketing stand point is it feasible to still charge that?
 
so.. Am I to assume you cannot by any means get an iphone w/o a contract. I was considering this as well because I wouldnt mind having an a 16g iphone w/o a DATA plan. Granted, this certainly negates quiet a bit of the iphone functionality, but come on... its cheaper than the touch and it has a ton more functionality.

I understand the subsodies and the contracts make up the diff, but still from a pure marketing stand point is it feasible to still charge that?
As long as this info is still current and assuming you're in the states, it looks like (last 2 paragraphs) you'll be able to buy the phone on contract and then cancel it after 1 month with a termination fee of ~$200. So overall you'll have the price of the phone ($299) + 1 months contract tariff + ~$200 cancellation fee for your phone. You should be able to use it with any plan you like from there.

However I don't think AT&T has has officially announced the contract termination details yet so they still could change.
 
They,re giving the Touch away to students for a reason, so I don't think a price drop will happen soon. Apple will just clear them out and then the new version will come out at the same price point.
 
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