iPhone 3.0 Copy and Paste Described

[kdarling]

Thats one of the things that's been on my mind with all this talk of new features. If copy and paste is added why bring developers...

Because developers DO need to know about copy and paste.

Cocoa Programming copy/paste

I, also, believe push is not just an alternative but superior to actual backgrounding, given battery life.

Alas, you'd be wrong in many cases.

1) The phone will have to eat up extra battery waiting for a notification "push" anyway.

2) Simple apps, that should only require waking up from a local system alarm at a certain time, will be turned into monster server-client apps awaiting a timed notification from somebody's paid-for server farm. Good luck in that.

3) If you're out of comms (say on a plane), notifications aren't going to reach you.

4) Human interaction is needed. All Apple plans to do with push notification anyway is notify YOU. So much for background processing. If you see a couple of notices, but only remember to click one, then the push was useless, since no data will transfer.

 

[impact_blue]

Every other smart phone to come out claiming to be an "iPhone killer" has still failed. The Palm Pre will be no different. Apple is smart, they're definitely doing something right with the iPhone.

Hence the counter attack with the 3.0. You're fooling yourself if you think the Pre isn't a threat. Why else would the industry keep stating that 3.0 would have features like the Pre?

 

[kdarling]

Remember, they sorta did. And it tanked....

Right. So imagine Verizon's "excitement" when, just months after the ROKR fiasco, Apple comes to them and says, "Listen, we want to do another phone, but this time we want to control everything. And no, we don't have a prototype or even a design yet."

No wonder Verizon pretty much ignored them for a year before Apple gave up and went back to Cingular. Now imagine if Apple had actually had a prototype to show. Things might well have been quite different. For one thing, Verizon wouldn't have allowed a non-3G model.

 

[olternaut]

Hence the counter attack with the 3.0. You're fooling yourself if you think the Pre isn't a threat. Why else would the industry keep stating that 3.0 would have features like the Pre?

Exactly. I wish these guys would understand that. In fact, while I still think that the iphone 1.0 and iphone 3G will not have a whole lot in terms of updates. I think we may all find out EVERYTHING that is going to come for the iphone 3.0. But wouldn't that ruin the June announcements? Perhaps it will. But then again Steve Jobs could announce (if he is back then I mean) the mighty mactouch in June instead.

But why would Apple reveal all that there is to come for the iphone 3.0 tomorrow? Because the Palm Pre launches on Sprint in Q2....perhaps as early as April. If Apple can give people enough reason to wait till June to purchase a new iphone then that might slow down any momentum that Palm has or is trying to build up.

 

[Trajectory]

I sure hope this guy is right! I needed copy and paste quite a few times since I got my iPhone. I hope 3.0 has more than that, but, this was probably one of the most-requested features.

 

[kdarling]

Why exactly does someone need full multi-tasking in a 3.5" screen? (... snip ...) Most apps start right where you left off, at least they're supposed to.

If the iPhone kept context, it would be less of a bother.

For instance, if I search for restaurants, then click on one, then go to its website to see the menu... and then want to go look at the next restaurant's menu...

1) On most phones, I click once and I'm immediately back at the last search item found. Easy, and natural.

2) On the iPhone, I have to go back to my main menu pages, find and restart the search app. With luck, it still has my results. Scroll and find the next restaurant in the list. Not natural.

Without multitasking, it's like having a browser without a Back button. Painful.

 

[sd2009]

Because developers DO need to know about copy and paste.

Cocoa Programming copy/paste



Alas, you'd be wrong in many cases.

1) The phone will have to eat up extra battery waiting for a notification "push" anyway.

2) Simple apps, that should only require waking up from a local system alarm at a certain time, will be turned into monster server-client apps awaiting a timed notification from somebody's paid-for server farm. Good luck in that.

3) If you're out of comms (say on a plane), notifications aren't going to reach you.

4) Human interaction is needed. All Apple plans to do with push notification anyway is notify YOU. So much for background processing. If you see a couple of notices, but only remember to click one, then the push was useless, since no data will transfer.

You're misinformed on how iPhone push would work.

 

[LeoNobilis]

Every other smart phone to come out claiming to be an "iPhone killer" has still failed. The Palm Pre will be no different. Apple is smart, they're definitely doing something right with the iPhone.

Apple are, unquestionably!
The problem with Palm, however, is that since Rubinstein's involvement it's no more a company to be utterly disregarded, unlike much of the "competition". I'm afraid, Rubinstein in potential is as much to Palm as is Steve Jobs, or Ive, or Tevanian - [the latter had been, and in a measure so the former] to Apple. Palm is embracing the Apple culture, and Pré is the result hereof.

 

[overcast]

32, and a product of top-quality American public education, as evidenced by my impeccable spelling.

...and idiotic responses, MMS is bigger than you.

 

[eyefoniac]

Does anyone know what time it will be? I suppose it will be streamed off of apple.

 

[overcast]

Who is KEVIN ROSE?! R u kidding me? He is the CEO and founder of digg.com and co-founded revision 3 which is now apart of Cnet.

Yet still no one cares who he is. I hate to break it to you, but outside of the nerd side of the internet, the other 99.9% of people have no idea who he is. Go ask your mother.

 

[j5045096]

That's a productive wish, isn't it? Let me then recommend you a… Motofone! Quite the thing for you, mate! Here you have it: http://www.motorola.com/motoinfo/product/details.jsp?globalObjectId=164 . I am confident you could afford it if you save up for diligently.
;-)

Do you feel better now?

 

[MacFly123]

You guys are missing the point. I can type fast on my iPhone, at least, fast enough. The problem is that if you want to type at a reasonable speed, it takes a lot of concentration, and crucially, you have to watch the screen very closely to see when you are making errors, and when your fingers are getting off where they should be. You have to play this little game with the auto correct will it or won't it?

That's fine for some situations. But often it's not. For example, in a lecture, meeting, with friends etc. You don't want to have to hunch over your phone with 100% concentration to the exclusion of all other things. I can sit in a meeting and hold a conversation while typing on my laptop, and what I'm typing doesn't even have to be related to the conversation. Not so the iphone.

I don't want any crappy plastic slide out or fold out keyboard. One major feature of the iphone for me is the form factor, which is so not-phone. What I want is a fixed bluetooth stack so I can use a remote keyboard- maybe even a flexi mini keyboard would be great. But Apple know that most people use their laptops for just typing notes and surfing the web, and don't want to canabolise sales. If the rumoured netbook thingy is true, all hope is lost.

Well I am not old, I am from the digital generation. But call me crazy, I don't type when I am in the middle of doing other things. Like driving for example, which is just messed up for people to do. It is ok not to multi-task everything in your like you know??? If your biggest problem is having to actually pay attention somewhat to what you are doing in life, then I would stop your whining right now and try enjoying your experiences in life a little more!

 

[Eso]

Won't they have to then charge you for sending and receiving MMS because it goes through the phone instead of being part of your unlimited data? Just use email... it's better anyway.

Please let me refer you to:

There's several problems with this.

1.) You have to know which carrier your contact is on.

2.) You have to know the "carrier specific suffix" for that particular carrier.

3.) Your contact gets an MMS from an email account they probably won't recognize.

4.) Your contact will either, a) have to create a new text message and get your number from address book/recent calls or, b) easily reply to your MMS message in which case your SMS conversation just shifted to your non-push email.

5) Your contact will have to remember always to send MMS messages to your email and not your phone number

There are so many problems with this system that depend not only you, but on the people you message that this is not a viable alternative to standard MMS messaging. I believe the only people that will think it is are those that do not send or receive MMS messages. Let me give you a personal example of how I run into each of these problems. Suppose I want to send an MMS to my friend Dan from work:

1) I don't know his carrier. In fact I only know the carrier of 3 people in my address book, and only that because they are on AT&T and calls are free - important because I talk to them a lot. So I guess I have to text message Dan and ask him his carrier. He'll probably ask me why I want to know when he answers, so I am prepared to explain that I want to send him an MMS but I have an iPhone.

2) He's on Verizon, OK. Now I hop over to Safari so I can look up the cryptic email address I have to send it to. Even for AT&T I'm pretty sure it's txt.att.net and mms.att.net for SMS and MMS, respectively, but I am not certain so I'd have to look that up too. Now, what phrase to search for? I type out "how to send text message from email verizon" and wow look at that, I've got it. Of course, I can't copy and paste so I'll just have to remember it's vtext.com. Great, it's .com not .net so I hope I don't get confused with the one carrier specific suffix that I do know.

3) I head over to my mail client to write a new email to dan'snumber@vtext.com ("or was that vtxt.com?" flashes through my head). Oh wait, my mistake, I can't attach a picture from the mail app, of course! I head over to the camera roll to find the picture I want to email. Oh boy, it's a good thing the iPhone multitasks - oh wait... I compose the email and am sure to include a line that says "Oh by the way, this is Eso" that way he isn't completely confused when he gets a random message from an email account.

4) My email is sent, but no reply yet from Dan. Has he sent a message to my email and it hasn't been pulled from the server yet? Is he busy right now and hasn't replied at all? I don't know! I go to check my email, but nothing yet. I don't really think email is appropriate for IM'ing, so I decide to send him a text message from my phone so he'll reply to the right one: "Hey Dan, I just send you a pic from my email but reply to this text."

5) Sweet, Dan just sent me a text back - "I sent you a multimedia message. You can view my message w/in the next 7 days via the web at www.viewmymessage.com/2 using MSG ID 348fjsuj28 Password crypticAShell". No problem, let me just copy and paste the info and switch to Safari. Oh wait...

No one ever remembers to send me MMS to my email, and when I remind them to, it's always followed by the inevitable, "What's your email again?".

 

[kdarling]

You're misinformed on how iPhone push would work.

Not from the description Apple has previously given.

However, your reply gets points for minimalism

Care to try again with details?

 

[Eso]

Don't worry, Palm will sell their little phone but, Apple will be the one's innovating.

That's why "[Kevin Rose] says that what Apple has coming will wipe away any advantages that Palm has touted with its Pre handheld", right - because catch-up = innovation?

 

[LeoNobilis]

Guy, seriously? Do you feel better now?

Not much better. I inferred from your dissatisfaction with the excessive complexity of the iPhone: you'd wished for YouTube.app to disappear from the face of the iPhone OS in its upcoming incarnation. I could draw one deduction: that you'd have much preferred a simplistic GSM device, much like the Motofone, to an iPhone. My cynicism was intended merely as an organic response to your plea for reversed evolution (somewhat akin to a technological communism) of the iPhone OS. Before you haste to take my words as an offence, re-read your post, please. I'm sure you'll find my comment perfectly appropriate in the consequence.

 

[DavidLeblond]

Please let me refer you to:

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Or you can send them a picture to their email address, they can open the email using their email program and see the picture. Why does MMS even have to enter into the equation?

 

[UMHurricanes34]

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Or you can send them a picture to their email address, they can open the email using their email program and see the picture. Why does MMS even have to enter into the equation?

Because people with RAZR's and free-with-contract phones don't have the email access of an iPhone. Is this really that difficult to understand?

 

[Eso]

*facepalm*

Or you can send them a picture to their email address, they can open the email using their email program and see the picture. Why does MMS even have to enter into the equation?

Obviously you are one of those people that I mentioned who would not understand since they don't use MMS.

First of all, most people do not have email access on their phone. Secondly, It's not like you are sending your senior pictures to grandma. Finally, personally most of my email messages are automatically generated bank statements, AT&T "your bill is ready for viewing" messages, etc. When I receive an email I don't immediately think, "oh wow, this is probably a contextual picture message!" Text and multimedia messaging is a conversation; pictures are part of the conversation. You wouldn't start telling someone a joke but not tell them the punchline till tomorrow. Most picture messaging is in-the-moment and no one is really going to care about getting the picture after the moment is over. That doesn't mean it is pointless, however. It is the same thing as when you have a great conversation one night with your friends: you don't strike up the same conversation the next day.

Ex: your girlfriend sends you a picture of the new shirt she is excited about having just bought. With MMS you can have a fun little moment about how you can't wait to see her in (and out) of it. There's no point in having a picture of the shirt in an email as you'll see it in person - quite possibly before you check the email.

 

[BuddyTronic]

Oh goody! It sounds like I'll be able to keep more than 144 apps on my phone with the "springboard" and home screen improvements!

Fingers crossed! It's really hard to find and organize 7 stock apps and 10 kids learning proggies, and various games etc. So this will be an important improvement for me.

 

[BuddyTronic]

That's why "[Kevin Rose] says that what Apple has coming will wipe away any advantages that Palm has touted with its Pre handheld", right - because catch-up = innovation?

Say what?

Palm hasn't even released their unit dude. Catching up with product announcements I guess. If you think the Palm unit is going to be something better than iPhone give your head a shake, and remember your zune purchase and how well that went for you.

 

[Jayomat]

Oh goody! It sounds like I'll be able to keep more than 144 apps on my phone with the "springboard" and home screen improvements!

Fingers crossed! It's really hard to find and organize 7 stock apps and 10 kids learning proggies, and various games etc. So this will be an important improvement for me.

i don't dare to ask you how many of them you use regularly

 

[Eso]

Palm hasn't even released their unit dude. Catching up with product announcements I guess.

Oops, and I forgot the iPhone software 3.0 was being released tomorrow too.

In case you didn't realize, that phrase you reference is in quotes - meaning Kevin Rose said it. It's also obvious it was (or he wants us to believe it was) from a contact he has inside Apple, which would mean, if true, it's a paraphrase of:

"We are going to be matching all the features of the Palm Pre with the 3.0 software" - Apple, Inc.

 

[LeoNobilis]

Oh goody! It sounds like I'll be able to keep more than 144 apps on my phone with the "springboard" and home screen improvements!

Fingers crossed! It's really hard to find and organize 7 stock apps and 10 kids learning proggies, and various games etc. So this will be an important improvement for me.

So do I hope.