iPhone 4.0 Beta Impressions?

[ssumer]

I'm also having problems connecting to my home wiFi (Dlink DI-655 running WPA-PSK). I tried rebooting the router a couple times. It sees the SSID, just gives me an unable to connect error when inputing the passcode.

What's strange is that I came into the office this morning and my iphone connected just fine to an Apple Time Capsule. is this apple's sneaky way to sell more Airports and Timecapsules?!

Try to set wireless mode = "G-Only" on your router, it will work.

 

[MBHockey]

I meant the "Better Way", 1 step for quiting, not 3 steps to quit an app.




Mine still stay, it didn't delete the folders after syncing the apps.



There is definately A REASON to "KILL" the app with a simple/quick way just like the current OS3.1 if you don't want someone to look at your apps "HISTORY" that you've been running. The multitasking dock holds the all the apps that you've been executed if you just press home button 1 time as you do on the current OS3.1.

I am not concerning about the battery life caused by the multitasking, but I am just concerning the privacy that the dock shows all the apps that I've executed if I woudn't quit the app with a proper way.

Try to run apps as many as you can, then just simply press the home button on the each app as you do on OS3.1, Now, you will notice that all the app icons you've executed will be shown on the dock even though it doesn't support the multitasking.

Let say, your mother(or co-worker whatever) asks you to show some photos on your phone when you write some SMS. While your mother's watching your phone screen, you press the home button twice to switch the app, BUT in the dock, "THERE IS KAMASUTRA ICON" that you thought to quit completely last night as you did on OS3.1 (One time Home button pressed). What a shameful! if you didn't quit it with the proper way (3 steps)

Again, the problem is that OS4 beta's dock holds all the app icons you've been running, no matter whether it supports the multitasking, it also acts as "Recent Items in Mac OS X" if you didn't quit the app with a proper way

Conclusion? it should be added "Kill ALL" function just like the WM, and the Option for home button to Kill or make it background. Additionaly, "Kill only paused apps" will be nice.

That sure is a long winded way to say "I don't want people looking at my app history".

That's what a passcode is for.

 

[ipodlover77]

has anyone had luck backing up on 4.0? itunes keeps giving me a message saying the iphone refuses to back up the data.

 

[vizkiz]

There is definately A REASON to "KILL" the app with a simple/quick way just like the current OS3.1 if you don't want someone to look at your apps "HISTORY" that you've been running. The multitasking dock holds the all the apps that you've been executed if you just press home button 1 time as you do on the current OS3.1.

I am not concerning about the battery life caused by the multitasking, but I am just concerning the privacy that the dock shows all the apps that I've executed if I woudn't quit the app with a proper way.

Try to run apps as many as you can, then just simply press the home button on the each app as you do on OS3.1, Now, you will notice that all the app icons you've executed will be shown on the dock even though it doesn't support the multitasking.

Let say, your mother(or co-worker whatever) asks you to show some photos on your phone when you write some SMS. While your mother's watching your phone screen, you press the home button twice to switch the app, BUT in the dock, "THERE IS KAMASUTRA ICON" that you thought to quit completely last night as you did on OS3.1 (One time Home button pressed). What a shameful! if you didn't quit it with the proper way (3 steps)

Again, the problem is that OS4 beta's dock holds all the app icons you've been running, no matter whether it supports the multitasking, it also acts as "Recent Items in Mac OS X" if you didn't quit the app with a proper way

Conclusion? it should be added "Kill ALL" function just like the WM, and the Option for home button to Kill or make it background. Additionaly, "Kill only paused apps" will be nice.

Ummm, don't open the multitasking bar. Just hit the home button and open your photos, and show them from there. Why would you need to open the multitasking bar?

Hit home button twice. Open photos from multitasking bar.
-or-
Hit home button, wait one or two seconds, hit home button again. Open photos from home screen.

It's only two seconds slower (max), and worth it if you're that concerned over your recent apps.

 

[ssumer]

Ummm, don't open the multitasking bar. Just hit the home button and open your photos, and show them from there. Why would you need to open the multitasking bar?

Hit home button twice. Open photos from multitasking bar.
-or-
Hit home button, wait one or two seconds, hit home button again. Open photos from home screen.

It's only two seconds slower (max), and worth it if you're that concerned over your recent apps.

haha~ right! that's the way!, don't press home botton twice mistakably if I don't wanna show my apps history.

 

[outphase]

Let say, your mother(or co-worker whatever) asks you to show some photos on your phone when you write some SMS. While your mother's watching your phone screen, you press the home button twice to switch the app, BUT in the dock, "THERE IS KAMASUTRA ICON" that you thought to quit completely last night as you did on OS3.1 (One time Home button pressed). What a shameful! if you didn't quit it with the proper way (3 steps)

If there is something you are embarrassed by on your phone, you have to either change your phone or your level of embarrassment.

 

[jabingla2810]

A kamasutra on an iphone?

Hehe, that makes me laugh

"Excuse me love, wait there while I get my phone out, I need to check the diagram!"

But yeah, I supose it could be midly embarrassing.

But for the 99.99999999% of other apps it wont be a problem, so isnt an issue.

 

[richxps]

does anyone know when this beta expires ?

 

[ssumer]

If there is something you are embarrassed by on your phone, you have to either change your phone or your level of embarrassment.

Hmm, OK... so,

iPhone/iPod/iPad users have be

1. no live like Tiger Woods (Your GF/Wife can easily track you down with apps history if you'd use your phone just like the current OS3.1)

2. no Sex related apps (It will embarrass you if you press the home bottun twice mistakably while you are showing your photo/movie in front of others)

3. no "Sexy" photos (Be aware, using the multitasking dock to switch back to album, it will show the last photo that you opened, Make sure not to open any sexual photo or kill the app once completely before you show your photos in front of others.)

4. Never search a word starting "Sex..." on the youtube app before you show some funny videos to others, it will show you/others the last search result screen whenever you pull it from the background.

How about Stock/banking apps which contain your very important finacial info just stay paused in background? (Most of the current stock/banking apps require you ID/PW only once when it open, it won't ask you ID/PW again if it stays paused in background) - Without the passcode on the phone itself would be disaster if it's stolen.

Actually, I have a lot of more to say why Apple should add a "Simple way to kill the app" and "Kill All apps in background" function.

Best Regards

 

[vizkiz]

Hmm, OK... so,

iPhone/iPod/iPad users have be

1. no live like Tiger Woods (Your GF/Wife can easily track you down with apps history if you'd use your phone just like the current OS3.1)

2. no Sex related apps (It will embarrass you if you press the home bottun twice mistakably while you are showing your photo/movie in front of others)

3. no "Sexy" photos (Be aware, using the multitasking dock to switch back to album, it will show the last photo that you opened, Make sure not to open any sexual photo or kill the app once completely before you show your photos in front of others.)

4. Never search a word starting "Sex..." on the youtube app before you show some funny videos to others, it will show you/others the last search result screen whenever you pull it from the background.

How about Stock/banking apps which contain your very important finacial info just stay paused in background? (Most of the current stock/banking apps require you ID/PW only once when it open, it won't ask you ID/PW again if it stays paused in background) - Without the passcode on the phone itself would be disaster if it's stolen.

Actually, I have a lot of more to say why Apple should add a "Simple way to kill the app" and "Kill All apps in background" function.

Best Regards

It takes three seconds to remove an app from the multitasking bar, get over it.

YouTube will always bring up your last search the next time you open it anyway. Just clear it or search for something else before you open it.

Any financial app (worth using) will time out after a certain period of time. So even if it's paused and gone back to later, it will know that more than it's required period of time has passed and if you try to perform any actions, it will kick you out.

Also, if you really get embarrassed that easily, then you shouldn't even be looking at this stuff on your phone.

 

[outphase]

What does the multitasking do that you're so afraid of? If you have some "sexy" app on your phone, it's there whether you have it in the recent list or not. Beyond your smugness, you either need to not be embarrassed by it or get rid of it.

 

[ssumer]

What does the multitasking do that you're so afraid of? If you have some "sexy" app on your phone, it's there whether you have it in the recent list or not. Beyond your smugness, you either need to not be embarrassed by it or get rid of it.

hehe~ Im not afraid of anything, just feel inconvenient with the new way to kill the app.

And, I guess that you people never use "cache/log cleaner", "clear the recent items" on your Mac because you are not afraid/embarrassed of "anything"

Best Regards

 

[dyn]

There is definately A REASON to "KILL" the app with a simple/quick way just like the current OS3.1 if you don't want someone to look at your apps "HISTORY" that you've been running. The multitasking dock holds the all the apps that you've been executed if you just press home button 1 time as you do on the current OS3.1.

8<

I am not concerning about the battery life caused by the multitasking, but I am just concerning the privacy that the dock shows all the apps that I've executed if I woudn't quit the app with a proper way.

Well, the homescreen holds all the applications you installed on your iPhone. If someone flicks through your homescreens they will see a lot more than what's listed in the multitasking dock. The multitasking dock will only show 4 icons on screen (you need to scroll for more), 1 homescreen will show 12 and the 4 icons in the dock.
Try to run apps as many as you can, then just simply press the home button on the each app as you do on OS3.1, Now, you will notice that all the app icons you've executed will be shown on the dock even though it doesn't support the multitasking.

Opening apps will show people the content, so they're able to see what's in your inbox, in your playlists, in your sms, etc. If you do not want them to see such things you can set some security settings and you can even lock the entire device. To unlock it you need to type in a password.

Let say, your mother(or co-worker whatever) asks you to show some photos on your phone when you write some SMS. While your mother's watching your phone screen, you press the home button twice to switch the app, BUT in the dock, "THERE IS KAMASUTRA ICON" that you thought to quit completely last night as you did on OS3.1 (One time Home button pressed). What a shameful! if you didn't quit it with the proper way (3 steps)

Let's say the app isn't running so it won't show up in the multitasking dock. You need to go to the homescreen and browse for the app. And boom, whilst browsing you're browsing past your kamasutra app...

Again, the problem is that OS4 beta's dock holds all the app icons you've been running, no matter whether it supports the multitasking, it also acts as "Recent Items in Mac OS X" if you didn't quit the app with a proper way

That's exactly what it is. It's just a fast app switcher. The apps in the dock simply save their state and some use 1 or more of the 6 other multitasking services. This is also the reason why Apple does not have an obvious way of closing apps. They are actually already closed, they simply don't do anything. When activating the apps they restore their saved state. Something similar happens in OS 3.1 and earlier but iirc it was something the app maker had to include, in OS 4 it's default for all apps and handled by the OS. The only things running in the background are other multitasking services like VoIP and audio. In case you really do want to "quit" an app (= remove it from the multitask dock) they've got this "complex" way of doing it: hold your finger on an app and hit the delete button.

I think Apple rightfully claims their way of doing multitasking is the most clever way of doing it. It's not real and complete multitasking but it is simply doing the things people expect "multitasking" to do. People don't necessarily need complete multitasking, they just need to switch to previous apps (because that's what the multitasking dock is: a list of previously used apps) quickly or run music in the background and things like that.

 

[ssumer]

I think Apple rightfully claims their way of doing multitasking is the most clever way of doing it. It's not real and complete multitasking but it is simply doing the things people expect "multitasking" to do. People don't necessarily need complete multitasking, they just need to switch to previous apps (because that's what the multitasking dock is: a list of previously used apps) quickly or run music in the background and things like that.

Agreed some parts, but they could add "Kill All apps running in Background" function just like the Clear Menu in the Recent Items on the OS X, or WM's Kill All function on the task manager.

Or, simply they give an option to user to choose 1/2/3 home button functions for instance, set 3 presses for killing the foreground app instead of the voice command (which I don't really use)

I don't know how difficult to add just one more function on the home button or give the options in setting menu, but it seems to me, it's not that complicated things.

Best Regards

 

[dyn]

Agreed some parts, but they could add "Kill All apps running in Background" function just like the Clear Menu in the Recent Items on the OS X, or WM's Kill All function on the task manager.

The point is that there are no apps running in background which renders such a button useless. The dock is simply a list of recently used apps so in your case there should be a "clear recent apps" button, not a "kill all apps running in background". The only thing that is going to be a bit problematic are the processes that are running in the background so audio can keep on playing, GPS keep on working, etc. This may very well be a system process and such a process is not something you'd want to kill (if you really kill it, you will loose functionality which you can only restore by rebooting).

Or, simply they give an option to user to choose 1/2/3 home button functions for instance, set 3 presses for killing the foreground app instead of the voice command (which I don't really use)

Regardless of the multitasking functionality this is just something that is useful. I'd like to have something like that too. I remember PalmOS having such an option where you could redefine the buttons.

I don't know how difficult to add just one more function on the home button or give the options in setting menu, but it seems to me, it's not that complicated things.

Letting the user choose what to do with x clicks on the home button is not that difficult to implement. There are however other problems that arise when you're trying to let 1 button do a gazillion things mostly on the user end. It is not userfriendly if you have to click like 5 times on the home button to launch something like your mailclient. Opening the homescreen and launching the app is much easier in that case. Adding just one more function to the home button may not be a smart thing to do in the end. Sometimes adding more buttons to a device is simply better

Edit: found something interesting! It seems you can somewhat change the behaviour of the 3-click home button function:

 

[eric11546]

Cell Calls on Edge 4.0

Anyone else issues if your phone goes from 3g to edge receiving calls. You can place them no problem but i had my dev phone right next to my wifes iphone and tried calling myphone it would just ring then goto Vm. The only reason i noticed this was I got 4 voicemails from a person i was just speaking with. I tried it several times and same result.

 

[colourtheatre]

hi guys, i dont see any "saved state" functionality for apps that are in the dock. every app from the dock restarts itself when i try to load it up again. anyone else facing the same problem? i mentioned somewhere else in the forum but youtube seems to have background loading.

 

[ExcelonGT]

ran into an issue in the settings. I went into the EQ settings under IPOD, now the button to go back up the settings menu is missing. I tried rebooting, doesn't fix it.

 

[jaw04005]

Anyone figured out what “iPod out” is? Is it a menu system for your TV when using the composite/component cables or what?

 

[outphase]

Edit: found something interesting! It seems you can somewhat change the behaviour of the 3-click home button function:

That's not new to 4.0.

 

[Kahnyl]

hi guys, i dont see any "saved state" functionality for apps that are in the dock. every app from the dock restarts itself when i try to load it up again. anyone else facing the same problem? i mentioned somewhere else in the forum but youtube seems to have background loading.

Only some Apple apps do it now. Third party apps will probably only start behaving properly after app updates around the public release of 4.0. Even though the tools to enable backgrounding in apps are available in the Beta SDK now, Apple won't accept apps made with it until later.

 

[colourtheatre]

Only some Apple apps do it now. Third party apps will probably only start behaving properly after app updates around the public release of 4.0. Even though the tools to enable backgrounding in apps are available in the Beta SDK now, Apple won't accept apps made with it until later.

ohok. i thought the saved state functionality will happen across the board for all apps without requiring developers to modify the apps any further as the modification and utilization of the backgrounding apis would apply to only tasks such as downloading/loading etc.. in the background. might've just misunderstood then. thanks for the clarification.

 

[dyn]

That's not new to 4.0.

Nah, it was just to illustrate my story (fyi: I have a 3G so no voice control).

@colourtheatre: I thought so too at first but since developers have to implement the other 6 multitasking features it's quite logical that they also have to implement the saved state stuff.

 

[PeteLP]

ohok. i thought the saved state functionality will happen across the board for all apps without requiring developers to modify the apps any further as the modification and utilization of the backgrounding apis would apply to only tasks such as downloading/loading etc.. in the background. might've just misunderstood then. thanks for the clarification.

I had the same reaction as you. It turns out Apps WILL have their state saved and restored with no coding changes. What's required, however, is a simple recompile with the new SDK.

I suspect that (other than Apple's apps), App's that have been recompiled for OS4 will not be released until OS4 is released

Pete

 

[mloffa]

Sorry if its been posted...
Minor bug:

In the camera app, the little icon at the bottom left is blank.
No picture from the camera roll is shown.
It was working fine before but then the camera app crashed and that happened.
Not a big deal though.

So far, the os is a little slow and buggy but works well for me.