Understood, Android is definitely better at those things. While I have no issues with drag and drop on my computers, it's probably because I'm on Linux
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iPhone 4s VS Samsung SIII - Hands on.
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Understood, Android is definitely better at those things. While I have no issues with drag and drop on my computers, it's probably because I'm on Linux
It seems your statement is, "I don't care that it's better in those categories."
So you believe one phone can be "ahead" of the other, while being behind in CPU/GPU/Resolution/PPI/Pictures/Videos/Security/Games and Accessories?
Hey, if that's your opinion, I won't argue against you
The problem is, those categories aren't wholly representative of the devices. Resolution and PPI (which are dependent) aren't the only things that matter for a screen. Colors, viewing angles, and such also matter. You say OLED screens are overcontrasted and have artificial colors? Yes, but believe it or not, a lot of people prefer more vivid colors and richer blacks compared to more natural ones. Also, do you expect the same degree of reality out of everything that you own? If not, then why specifically colors on your cell phone? Besides thinking that it looks better of course.
The iPhone does have a better GPU, correct. But the S2 has a faster CPU, clocked at 1GHz. Also, which benchmarks are you citing? If you're using the Anandtech ones, note that they did everything with stock phones right out of the box. But notice, the point of going with Android is the freedom to change your browser and bootloader. That's, I dare say, the point of Android. It gives you more customization with your OS. You might say that out of the box, the 4S does better on benchmarks than the S2, which may or may not be true, but the people who want a phone that is optimized to a standard would not choose an Android phone to begin with.
Videos goes in favor of S2 considering the 2 MP front facing camera vs. the 4S's VGA. For pictures, there are pros and cons to each.
Regarding security, it's like choosing between Windows and Mac. Yes, iOS is more secure, but it also limits you in what you can do. The tradeoff is between security and customization/freedom to do whatever you want to your phone, thus listing the category that is skewed towards the 4S but not the one towards the S2 is an unfair representation IMO.
True about games and accessories, although more games are free in the Android Marketplace. Some people would rather have ads in apps rather than pay for them.
It seems your statement is, "I don't care that it's better in those categories."
So you believe one phone can be "ahead" of the other, while being behind in CPU/GPU/Resolution/PPI/Pictures/Videos/Security/Games and Accessories?
Hey, if that's your opinion, I won't argue against you
What im saying is i dont see it as better. The GS2 loads faster so what do i care what the GPU speed is.. And yes i do know the GS2 CPU is faster @ 1200 to 800mhz. I dont need a number of the PPI to know the screen looks good.
Whats more important to me is a bigger screen, the never ending customizations, ability to chose multiple keyboards so i can find one i like...and i have found a couple. iPhone your stuck with one and i hated it, Primarily because the keyboard is so small on that screen. I can use different launchers as well. There are many of them in Android but now i stick to really just one. I can also choose different browsers.
I like adding memory that i want, i like being able to change out the battery and i like how the phone performs. Like ive said numerous times....i have no extra camera apps, no extra video apps and if i did, i wouldnt have more than each. There are many little things the Android phones can do that Apple cant. And yes, i like widgets. Dont use a lot of them but i can if i want to.
I like the Apple device. Still have my old iPhone but it was time to move on and not only havent they caught up to Android, they got passed up in a hurry but...ill give you that the game apps are better in iTunes app store. Speaking of which...i hated having to use iTunes.
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Incorrect. I made a statement that the iPhone 4S is better in the stated categories. That directly refutes your statement that the GS2 is "ahead" of the iPhone 4S.
Your counter to that, said I want to see:
"30+ camera apps"
"5 apps to take simple notes"
"365 accessories"
And, "It won an award for being a good device" - insinuating that I do not believe it to be a good device.
That does not directly refute my position. It refutes a different position - one that is easier to counter - and is not the position I actually hold.
Hence, Strawman.
Thanks for the response Rennir.
You are right in many areas, I'll point out where I disagree:
1. I'm referring to the Linpack CPU benchmarks of the two devices. I am not aware of any other CPU (not browser) benchmarks that the two devices share. Only the recent quad core phones beat the iPhone 4S.
2. Using custom ROMs and rooting the device can give better performance, but they can also be considered the biggest security risk on the platform. That's a dangerous game.
3. For pictures and videos, I'm talking about the back camera, the front cameras on both devices are a joke. I've already discussed this issue in depth a few times, so I wont repeat myself here. In short, the combination of hardware and software put the iPhone 4S on top. The link you gave is useful, but it only compares the standard camera apps for each platform. That's like comparing a DSLR with the stock lens
you aren't showing what the camera is really capable of.The fact that the link doesn't address the Achilles Heel of small sensors, dynamic range, is one reason why I don't go to tech sites for photography reviews
In your opinion. That doesnt make it better. Only better for you. iPhone having more PPI is irrelevent to me. So is the GPU score and so is the CPU score which the GS2 is higher.
Bottom line, who gives a damn? Did the iPhone win any awards the past couple years? Nope, the iP4 didnt sell as well as the previous model.
Incorrect. Of the 11 categories I mentioned, only two of them come down to preference. It is a fact that the iPhone 4S is better on the remaining 9 categories.
As I said earlier, if you prefer the phone with a slower CPU, slower GPU, lower resolution, lower ppi, takes lower quality pictures, takes lower quality videos, has lessor quality games (in terms of graphics, frame rate and stability), is less secure and has less accessories, that is your opinion. But that does not change the above facts that the iPhone 4S is better in these categories.
Not in terms of CPU, or GPU, or resolution, or ppi, or taking pictures, or taking videos, or available software, or security, or games, or voice commands, or accessories...
Do we really need to go down this road again Vegastouch?
You do know that the S3 uses the exact same wolfram alpha program?
And Personal Assistant, which is available for any high end Android phone is just as accurate as Siri. More in some queries, less in others.
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There is only 1 category that matters. It's called 'What I want'
The iPhone could run on anti-matter, last 1000 years on a charge, have a holographic screen and be made out of unobtanium, but if I don't like it, that is no sale.
Specs get better all the time. If a phone has specs I need or want and I like it, I will buy it. In this case, the S3 has me salivating like the original ip4 did.
I now use a Samsung and my screen is almost as large is the ip4. I can't stand looking at that tiny 3.5" screen anymore.
Amen. This is exactly how i feel. I love having a phone that can add a 3500mA battery into it, so it runs for 27 hours before recharging, or spending just 25 bucks to get an additional 32GB of memory space via micro sd card. Andbeing able to just plug into any computer and transfer files... can't do that with a stock iphone unit. Jailbreaking is another matter.
Any way, as far as I am concerned the S3 is mine. No contract, no carrier, just base GSM 4.0.4 and unlocked. It will cost 7-800 bucks, but I can cover that. Samsung justneeds to give us a release for here in the us!
The galaxy s2 doesn't have a slower CPU; the Exynos flies...
"less secure" is debatable. I've never had a virus on mine.
It's interesting that specs don't matter, ever, until they're specs from the iPhone; then it makes the device objectively better.
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the trend here always is "i dont care about spec" it just works* Im not changing OS anytime soon , but i know for sure the galaxy series have been kicking iphone anus for a while lol even in the ads deparment !
Siri does a lot more than connect you to Wolfram Alpha, but again, this comes down to preference, while I haven't seen any competing device do what Siri does, I won't argue preference.
I do not disagree that "what you want" is a valid category. As I said, if you prefer the phone with a slower CPU, slower GPU, lower resolution, lower ppi, takes lower quality pictures, takes lower quality videos, has lessor quality games (in terms of graphics, frame rate and stability), is less secure and has less accessories, that is your opinion.
I have found that MotoCast on my MAXX also plays extremely well with my Mac. There used to be a time when you had to get an iPhone if you wanted easy compatibility with your Mac, but all that is changing.
The galaxy s2 doesn't have a slower CPU; the Exynos flies...
"less secure" is debatable. I've never had a virus on mine.
Yes, it does have a slower CPU. The iPhone 4S Linpack CPU benchmark score is 127
By the way Vegastouch, I figured out why my previous source on the HTC X was misleading, apparently the International version is significantly slower. I was comparing the International version to the iPhone 4S
Security is not debatable. That's like a Windows user, who downloads new versions of Windows from Piratebay every few weeks, saying "Windows is not less secure than Linux, because I've never had a virus."
1. In terms of malware attacks, it is less secure. Due to the number of handsets that are not given security updates due to carrier laziness, there are a large number of vulnerable handsets out there, and there's nothing the owner can do about it. Replacing your OS with something posted by a random person on a message forum, is the biggest security risk you could take with a computer.
2. Studies show that the majority of Windows users with a virus/malware/Trojan, don't know they are infected. The most dangerous malware of today is not interested in giving you 100 popups, that only forces you to take steps to remove it. The dangerous malware is the one that silently captures your passwords and credit card information. On Android, there is malware that silently sends text messages to certain numbers costing you $10 a message (something like that).
Top security firms, Fortune 500 companies, and government agencies employ a team of security experts to prevent intrusions, and even they have had some highly public failures in recent years. Considering this, you cannot be 100% certain that you haven't installed any malicious software or rootkits when replacing your entire OS from an unofficial source posted by a random person on a message forum.
As a 4S user I had the chance to have a quick play with a Samsung S3 today, here are my very brief impressions:
* The phone is not as big as I was expecting due to the fact that the screen covers most of the front of the unit with very little wasted space.
* It looks a lot nicer in the hand, it has some nice touches such as the screen curves at the edges where it meets the curved sides of the phone (if that makes sense).
* The screen quality looks really nice and is easy on the eyes.
* The infamous android stutter is still present when navigating the OS, even on a phone with this kind of spec. Still find this jarring after using an iPhone for everyday use.
All in all its very nice, just like the S2 before it, if I ever decided to get an android the S3 would be it hands down, no competition. However before I get all crazy I will wait and see what iOS6 and the next iPhone have to offer.
* The phone is not as big as I was expecting due to the fact that the screen covers most of the front of the unit with very little wasted space.
* It looks a lot nicer in the hand, it has some nice touches such as the screen curves at the edges where it meets the curved sides of the phone (if that makes sense).
* The screen quality looks really nice and is easy on the eyes.
* The infamous android stutter is still present when navigating the OS, even on a phone with this kind of spec. Still find this jarring after using an iPhone for everyday use.
All in all its very nice, just like the S2 before it, if I ever decided to get an android the S3 would be it hands down, no competition. However before I get all crazy I will wait and see what iOS6 and the next iPhone have to offer.
I tried the S3 today. It was very comfortable to handle it. Because of the curved corners, I felt more comfortable handling it than the iPhone 4S. However, although most people said that it is running faster than the Galaxy Note, I did not feel any noticeable difference. I had both devices running side by side. The Note under 4.0.4 and the S3 under 4.0.6.
samsung s3 has great spec and there is no doubt about it. but you only talk about great spec if it run andriod.
you do need to consider if you ever get software update on a samsung. update is possible on flagship phone but the wait is way too long.
even microsoft push out update way faster than them for the windows phone.
you do need to consider if you ever get software update on a samsung. update is possible on flagship phone but the wait is way too long.
even microsoft push out update way faster than them for the windows phone.
Samsung phones can bluetooth to any other phone . . .apart from Apple of course. Can your iPhone do that?
Still Simple???
What does BT have to do with what he said? You would have said just as much if you blurted out "I Like Turtles!".
I think you really need to read up on the real world S3 and stop wearing those rose colored glasses. Below are Anadtech results of the S3 vs all other top phones, incuding the 4S. As for ppi, you can't compare a 330ppi on a tny 3.5'' to 306ppi on a 4.8" screen, or even the 'small' 264ppi for on the iPad 3. All 3 have HD or retina screen resolution. As for photo quality, both are identical on paper, but I haven't seen a real world production model S3 photo yet. For you to make a general statement otherwise about something you know nothing about dismisses the validity of your further 'claims'. And lastly, of course there are more accessoies for the ip4 and 4s. The physical portion of the phone has remained unchanged for over 2 years now! And the S3 has just been released. If you want to be smug about that, well I can say the S3 has more accessories than the iphone 5, so Samsung wins. Right?
The following info is available on Anandtech website.
Browser score-
GPU performance (and I'll just quote Anandtech here - "What's particularly insane is that Samsung is able to deliver better performance than the iPhone 4S, the previous king-of-the-GPU-hill in these tests.")
I agree with 100% of everything you posted. The person I was debating with, however, was referring to the GS2, not the GS3
those cant be right. we all know the att htc x is much faster than the international version
He didn't post any CPU benchmarks. It's the CPU that's much faster, not the GPU or Browser.