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Did you even read my post? I said that i was forced onto iOS 8 because i had to do a restore (my phone was stuck in a bootloop)

How in gods name is that a choice? I had to restore, but did not want to restore to iOS 8, i was forced.

So my argument is valid and stands

I skim read it and I missed that vital detail. Sorry. As I said, I think you should have the option to downgrade to iOS 7. And obviously that means I think you should have had the ability to restore to iOS 7 too in the event of a critical error.

I can understand why you are frustrated too. I still have an iPhone 4s here and I know it's not great running on iOS 8. If this had to be my daily driver, I would not enjoy it.
 
Everything feels better with 8.1 and there are no bugs I'm aware of.

My only complain would be the keyboard lagging just a liiiiiiitle bit when opening an app and start typing right away (I'm looking at you, WhatsApp).

Overall I'm quite happy but of course there's always room for improvement, tweaks and speed.
 
I've been an Apple fanboy since my first 32gb iPod, back in 2006. I've bought after that two iPod 160gb, one in 2007 and another one in 2008. After that, I've bought an iPhone 3GS back in 2010 and at the time a brand new iPhone 4s in 2011's Christmas. In the same Christmas, I've bought an iPad 2, then in 2012 I've bought an iPhone 4 for my fiancée, and an iPad 4th Gen in 2013's Christmas. My point is: I'm an Apple fanboy, like most of us here.

But I can't and I won't keep endorsing what Apple is doing after this fiasco. My girlfriend own an iPhone 4 like I've said above, and after her update to iOS 7, it was indeed slower than before, but very slightly. She still can use several apps at once and there is not a single ounce of freezing, apps shuting down by themselves, laggy and not responsive keyboard, battery problems or for Christ's sake, she can normally make phone calls.

Not the same luck with my iPhone 4S, I've waited until iOS 8.1 because I've heard about the problems with iOS 8 and iOS 8.0.2, but I never could imagine that after updating, my completely flawless cellphone with less than THREE years of use and that I've bought at the release date here in Brazil back in 2011, it's now a glorified brick.

Here is a run down of problems that I've been facing since the update, which before anyone asks me, I did with a CLEAN INSTALL and after doing procedures that would "speed up" the 4s:

  1. I can't open the Cellphone app. Seriously, it literally freezes. I can't make or accept phone calls, and that's my office's cellphone.
  2. I can't type properly, the keyboard is laggy and not responsive.
  3. My apps crash constantly, and God forbid I open two to three apps at the same time.
  4. Games? Well, forget it, Infinity Blade 3 and games with heavy graphics aren't worthy of my 4S anymore, even though it worked flawlessly before.
  5. Battery life is lasting six to eight hours a cycle, and the cellphone is heating up a lot.
  6. What is Wi-Fi? My Wi-Fi keeps getting disconnected, and when I try to find it, it says it isn't there, when the router is on and with other devices like the PS4 working normally.
  7. It's slow. SO slow. I remember that my first smartphone was a Sony Xperia Mini, and that thing was slow, but it isn't remotely as much slow as this travesty that it's the iOS 8.1 on my iPhone 4s. By the way, my iPod 160gb classic it's still my FAVORITE Apple device and it's working FLAWLESSLY after SIX years of use. My iPhone 4s isn't even 3 years old yet.

Here in Brazil we do have a strong and avant garde Consumer Law, it's beyond obvious that Apple is indeed explicitly applying a planned obsolescence policy and they were already comndened for this very practice around here before. We are treated here like some kind of "second rate" consumers, unlike the United States and other countries that have a program to exchange your old iPhone for a new one under a contract, there's simply not this option here, so if I want to get a new iPhone, I have to buy a new one, and here it's almost three times more expensive than in the United States.

By the way: I'm aware that Apple aren't selling iPhone 4s models in the US anymore. Not the same case around here: the iPhone 4s 8gb model is sold here at the Brazillian Apple Store for around $445 dollars, which is insane, when you think at what is happening with the iPhone 4s all across the globe, let alone the ammount of space that iOS 8 will eat up, Apple here in Brazil is inducing people to buy glorified bricks for abusive prices.

I'm afraid that my time as an Apple fanboy is coming to a bitter end, but I'm going not without a bang, I'll see what I can do about this. And before someone starts white knighting Apple, remember that we need Apple to do better than this, and we all know that they can do better than this. Innovation can't and shouldn't come at this price, they need to find ways to keep their products working, and if there's any proof that they are capable of that, there is no need to look any further than any old iPod Classic device out there in good conditions, they don't get suddenly and artificially made "worst devices" in order to Apple to profit.

Apple need to start treating their loyal costumers right, this is the first time since I've bought an iPhone that the idea of going Android ever crossed my mind, sadly now it's a distinct possibility.

Every single issue with iOS upgrades can be resolved with one or more of these actions: reset all settings, delete various iCloud data, delete various apps, or restore. Keep in mind, if you restore: your iCloud data downloads if you log into iCloud, and if you restore from a backup your app data and iOS settings come back. There have been more times than I can count, that the root issue was corrupted iCloud data that was being downloaded every time you log on iCloud, after a clean restore. Hope this helps. The iOS 8.1 software is in reality just a bit slower than iOS 7.1.2, and battery life is equal.
 
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I wouldn't put too much stock in that video. There is obviously a problem with the ios8 install. Unless they were both erased and restored to factory it is not a good comparison. It is obvious they were not.

I did a comparison of my 2 iPod touches and my results were the opposite, the iOS 8 one started up faster. And did not have any of those lag problems in the lock screen or the prefs.

I did notice that the response on the iOS8.1 after starting is a bit sluggish indeed. It could also be that not all data is indexed. As most people say that you should run such a comparison after a longer period of time after te upgrade to a new iOS. So aproximately 24/48 hours that the device runs the new iOS (in this case iOS8.1).
The startup time isn't much of a problem because i hardly do that. I will look out for further reviews/comparison for Tech websites/blogs.

Good to read that you have two iPod touches of which the iOS8.1 runs better. Can you put that comparison in a YouTube video maybe?

those phones have different set of apps. so not a fair comparison

Why wouldn't that be a fair comparison as long as there is enough storage space? I have an iPhone 4S with 7.1.2 and still 300MB of storage space but still runs smoothly. Or do you mean the all the different (background) settings of those apps then i agree.

I think different settings or amount of app that use Location/GPS, Notifications, Background refresh and are different from the other device settings could cause a difference in performance. That is unclear in this comparison so it's indeed not quite clear if it's a fair comparison.

Everything feels better with 8.1 and there are no bugs I'm aware of.

My only complain would be the keyboard lagging just a liiiiiiitle bit when opening an app and start typing right away (I'm looking at you, WhatsApp).

Overall I'm quite happy but of course there's always room for improvement, tweaks and speed.

WhatsApp should still release a update for iOS8/8.1 (i've read that we can expect it soon > this week, next week) so this should probably fix it. You also can't select a photo from the Apple 'Photos' app yet and send it within that app to WhatsApp yet because WhatsApp hasn't updated their app yet to iOS8 to support this and e.g third party keyboards.
 
I skim read it and I missed that vital detail. Sorry. As I said, I think you should have the option to downgrade to iOS 7. And obviously that means I think you should have had the ability to restore to iOS 7 too in the event of a critical error.

I can understand why you are frustrated too. I still have an iPhone 4s here and I know it's not great running on iOS 8. If this had to be my daily driver, I would not enjoy it.

No problem. Sorry if i came off a little harsh.

I would love it if a downgrade option was added. Problem is that a lot of people using iOS 8 on this hardware don't use their phones as "hardcore" or as much as the people having problems.

I am very fast on my phone, just like i am on the computer.. That probably causes race conditions in the OS that contribute to these crashes (just a theory)

Oh well, maybe the new iOS 8 jailbreak can give us some performance tweaks (here is to hoping)

Note: i actually like iOS 8 and it's features, i just see no good reason as to why Apple can't get this running as good as iOS 7 did on the 4s. Seems shady at best.

Thanks
 
The question is, though, why does your hardcore phone use affect the phone much more noticeably on 8.1 compared to 7.1.2 (when contrasted with others)? I tend to have a lot of apps running, and do find this slows things down, and I listen to podcasts and do logic puzzles on the way to work which has a pretty heavy impact on the battery. But it is still much better than 8.0.x and I think not far off 7.1.2.

When I first installed the 8.0 GM I had some issues, with slowness, crashing and spotlight indexing, I restored and downgraded to 7.1.2, but I still couldn't help myself when 8.0 was publicly released... It was a bit better (and I had probably done some settings restores since then) but not excellent. Although I got some performance improvements by switching off animations and transparencies, the improvement was not enough that I wanted to switch off those parts of the OS permanently.

Anyway like I say 8.1 now seems a lot better (and with such a small OTA update!) and that makes me wonder if there are some settings issues on your phone, as identical hardware, and identical OS should be very similar in performance!

I agree it's a bit annoying you can't easily downgrade. (is this not possible if you were jailbroken and have saved hashes?)
 
I agree it's a bit annoying you can't easily downgrade. (is this not possible if you were jailbroken and have saved hashes?)

Indeed, now that the iOS 8 jailbreak is out too... I cannot remember if I previously Jailbroke this device or not. Knowing me I probably did, just cannot remember.

If only Tiny Umbrella would initialise... I could find out :)
Thanks
 
Well after a few days of iOS 8.1 on my 4S, something strange happened this morning..
Glanced at my phone to check the charge and it showed 35% remaining of battery life.
Next, the phone shuts down right infront of me (never ever done that before).
On pressing the home key the screen displays low battery/ attach charger graphic with a very FINE red line for charge remaining.
Battery calibration time again :(

3 days and 2 hours from a full charge is pi55 poor considering I could get 4-5 days on iOS 7.1.2 and usage is the same, I only use it for email/sms/imessage and occasional photos.
 
Well after a few days of iOS 8.1 on my 4S, something strange happened this morning..
Glanced at my phone to check the charge and it showed 35% remaining of battery life.
Next, the phone shuts down right infront of me (never ever done that before).
On pressing the home key the screen displays low battery/ attach charger graphic with a very FINE red line for charge remaining.
Battery calibration time again :(

3 days and 2 hours from a full charge is pi55 poor considering I could get 4-5 days on iOS 7.1.2 and usage is the same, I only use it for email/sms/imessage and occasional photos.
Wow! I've always been lucky to get a day out of it, and I've even installed a new battery after a couple years.
 
I'll be restoring to iOS 8.1 so I can unlock and planning on selling it. Maybe I'll jb it for the future buyer.
 
After buying the iPhone 6, the 4S was relegated to use on runs running Nike+ and airplay. Now that I installed iOS8.1 I have lost wifi capabilities and cannot sign out of Find my Phone in order to restore software. I have rebooted, manually entered network info but nothing works. I've restated the Airport Express that runs my wifi network but still no progress. Suggestions?
 
The UI is smooth and fluid. However there are two big issues I have come across:
1) Some apps (notably Facebook) take an age to open
2) Memory usage is scraping the bottom of the barrel - switching between apps always causes the switched to app to restart.
 
There was a person who worked on Microsoft Vista on either MacRumors or during the Reddit AMA that mentioned the reason Vista was "bad" at the time was due to people still using computers utilizing computers with Pentium 4 and less than 1 GB of RAM which Vista was not made for. Most computers now use something comparable to Core Duo 2 with at least 2 GB of RAM so if Vista was released today it wouldn't have such the back lash as it does today. Simply Vista was too far ahead of its time. (though this statement can be debatable even when Vista was announced Pentium 4 was way far too old to even be properly supported it was released in 2000 when Vista was released in 2007)

I don't think windows has ever been ahead of it's time ever. And besides, don't newer version of windows run better on old hardware than vista? ;)
 
I don't think windows has ever been ahead of it's time ever. And besides, don't newer version of windows run better on old hardware than vista? ;)

Correct. Windows 8 is lightweight compared to Vista on old machines. iOS8 and Vista are both just sloppy coding.
 
Just wanted to update about my wifi issue. I updated my Airport Express settings to b/g capabilities, restarted and it's back to normal.
 
Wow. iOS8 is so bad in every level it's not even fair to call it upgrade, thats some serious downgrade. Well done Apple.

Mine is not like that in the video at all. I can finally send sms off my macbook so this is the most useful iOS update yet for me.
 
I got so sick of the problems with the 4s (mainly resprings, slowness and app crashing and freezeups) that i bought an iPhone 5 (refurb) and my fiancee has given me her iPhone 5s and she is going to use the 5.

I have been using it for a day or so, and the difference is night and day. No more slowness, no crashes (yet), no freezing... Its iOS again, how i remember it. It "just works" again.

Not posting this to rub 4s guys faces in it, just pointing out my experience. For all those who are going to wait it out (or have no other option) i sincerely hope that Apple improves performance and these bugs for you.
 
Call me a fool... but it kinda strikes me as working out for Apple. Release the initial version of iOS X.0, which is quite unoptimised for the oldest iPhone that will run it. Wait a while (6 months in the case of the 4) to release a performance update that brings it back to speed. Thus Apple manages to get those who can afford a new phone to upgrade as they're sick of their devices, and then by the time the update rolls out, those who can't afford a new phone get an improvement...
 
I got so sick of the problems with the 4s (mainly resprings, slowness and app crashing and freezeups) that i bought an iPhone 5 (refurb) and my fiancee has given me her iPhone 5s and she is going to use the 5.

I have been using it for a day or so, and the difference is night and day. No more slowness, no crashes (yet), no freezing... Its iOS again, how i remember it. It "just works" again.

Not posting this to rub 4s guys faces in it, just pointing out my experience. For all those who are going to wait it out (or have no other option) i sincerely hope that Apple improves performance and these bugs for you.

That's a great swap to get the 5S from your fiancee and she get's the older 5. She must love you a lot ;)

We hope to switch to the 5S in a year or so (or if the 4S start given hardware problems).

It's good that we decide not to upgrade to 8.1 on our 4S device. They still work like a charm with 7.1.2
 
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