I just got off the phone with customer service at apple and was questioning why my shipping got moved back to the october 5th date. I got the usual answer of increased number of orders but what the rep did was change my shipping to next day shipping and now I will be receiving the phone on October 1st before noon. This was updated on my order already. I refreshed the page as I was on the phone and it shows a delivery date of October 1 before noon. So I think it is safe to say that the second wave of preorders will be shipping out on September 28th at the latest.