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...Do you find meaning in life by being having an Apple logo or other attached to your character?

Actually it's the other way around. One finds meaning in life by appreciating the splendid and astounding complexity which is built up from the most simple and fundamental objects. Like an up and down quark, an electron, photon and gluon.

This engenders an appreciation for good design and beautiful functionality in the more ordinary objects of life.

Owning an iPhone or a Leica M or countless other objects designed by people who appreciate design and functionality is merely an extension of this appreciation.
 
It would be interesting to see if you under-clocked to to match the performance of the 4S what kind of battery life you would get then.

Underclocking under a certain amount actually increases battery use per task, as it takes longer, using electricity all the time to commit to a task. There is a minimal amount of electricity the gates take to function, after a point they take more to continue to function. Underclocking gets you down to a point but underclocking more is actually counter productive.
 
Just going to point out people scream about OS updates on Android but I might like to point out core features do not require an OS update and Android does not have BS software blocks on its updates (siri, GPS navigation ect)

Update the Map app on Android does not require an OS update, Updating the browser again the same. OS updates on Android are for the most part under the hood stuff. iOS well it is to update user features and some of the core apps. It makes it a little more critical.

For example for Apple to update and add public transite to iOS it will take a OS update. Android all they did was up date Maps and pushed it out threw the market it. Hell the navigation app has gotten a few updates over the pass year adding in new features and updating it. Something that would take an OS update for iOS.

Why? The map data is in their servers.
 
I read somewhere that safari isnt hardware accelerated like browsers are on android and windows phone a few hours ago, and now seeing this, makes me curious, its THAT optimized??

you read that by a reviewer that was talking out of his a$$
 
I had a GS2 for six months, and I have had the GS3 for a month. I have given Android a lot of time, but it is just not for me. I liked it being different at first, but it wore off pretty quickly. It fails at doing small things sometimes, which annoys me.

And "Swipe" is an epic failure at times, which annoys me because I like the concept a lot. I checked with AT&T and on android forums in case it was a defect for my phone. They all told me it wasn't, that it was a problem with Swipe.

So, from those experiences, I am happy with my iPhone, and look forward to the iPhone 5 on friday
 
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Lumia!

wow what's wrong with the Lumia, coming in dead last?

are they using a BASIC compiler or something? sheesh
 
This thread makes me weep for humanity. Sunspider is a single-threaded, synthetic benchmark that is affected first and foremost by how well the browser's javascript engine is tuned to cheat on it. Internet Explorer has the best Sunspider scores on the desktop, are we all going to declare it the best browser because of that? Sunspider has no relation to scrolling speed or smoothness or even page rendering times (unless your page is 99% javascript, I suppose). It is only useful when comparing either a) the same browser on different hardware or b) different browsers on the same hardware. Even then, all you're comparing is Sunspider scores, that's it. It doesn't really mean anything, and starting a flame war over it is asinine.
 
If you want a good looking phone so badly that runs your OS of choice. You cannot force Apple to do that. That is like asking someone to sell their house so you can buy it. If you really want a good looking phone with android on it, you will have to design it yourself or trust that in the future the non Apple phone companies will release something that is actually nice to look at.

The only two phones I like as much as the iPhone, if not more, are the HTC One X and the HTC One V. One of which is ridiculously big and the other not available for my carrier (Wind Mobile in Canada, equivalent to T-Mobile in USA). Actually the One X isnt available for Wind either. Theres the One S, but again, I'm not a fan of the large 4.3" screen. Ideal for me is 3.7 so my frustrations are greater than with android manufacturers than with iPhone. You need to get over yourself.
 
I had a GS2 for six months, and I have had the GS3 for a month. I have given Android a lot of time, but it is just not for me. I liked it being different at first, but it wore off pretty quickly. It fails at doing small things sometimes, which annoys me.

And "Swipe" is an epic failure at times, which annoys me because I like the concept a lot. I checked with AT&T and on android forums in case it was a defect for my phone. They all told me it wasn't, that it was a problem with Swipe.

So, from those experiences, I am happy with my iPhone, and look forward to the iPhone 5 on friday

You gotta try SwiftKey 3. Beats all software keyboards in my opinion.
 
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and why does iOS need to be like OS X? If it were then the PC crowd would be all cry troll cry that Apple is overselling its software.

Uh, no. As someone whos put in over 10,000 dollars into three mac computers and many more laptops, I was expecting OS X when Apple announced the iPad. The fact that it was basically a scaled up iPhone turned me off. I was hoping to do real work on a tablet and instead apple showed the world that simple crippled apps were the way to go.
 
Nice I knew it was going to be fast, but this fast?!....Coming from the iphone 4 it's going to be 3.5x faster! What am I going to do with all this freed up time now?

Thank you troll for making this thread humorous...I was an android fan up until my device lost support 6 months after it came out and I was stuck with a plastic turd. Never again will I make that mistake.
 
Dude there's no reasoning with them. I'm in the same boat. I think iPhones are great hardware wise (Although I do prefer MicroSD and swappable battery) but I stopped liking iOS ever since I switched to Android a little over 2 years ago. I even go as far to say that Android is more like Mac OS X than iOS.

Hmmm.... I would have to agree with this somewhat. Base Android yes, but theres so many roms that its basically more like desktop linux. I think its a downright shame that apple's best product, OS X, gets zero recognition while their crippled version of it gets rave reviews. The publics got it all backwards, OS X and apple computers should be leading the pack, a perfect blend of some customization with great stability.
 
and why does iOS need to be like OS X? If it were then the PC crowd would be all cry troll cry that Apple is overselling its software.

I'm talking about functionality. Some examples include the ability to send files through bluetooth, set default apps, an easy to find location of all your apps (Applications folder on the Mac and the app launcher for Android), and an actual file manager. You can't even save a music file from an email.
 
I had a GS2 for six months, and I have had the GS3 for a month. I have given Android a lot of time, but it is just not for me. I liked it being different at first, but it wore off pretty quickly. It fails at doing small things sometimes, which annoys me.

And "Swipe" is an epic failure at times, which annoys me because I like the concept a lot. I checked with AT&T and on android forums in case it was a defect for my phone. They all told me it wasn't, that it was a problem with Swipe.

So, from those experiences, I am happy with my iPhone, and look forward to the iPhone 5 on friday


I've never used 'Swipe' though. I'm all manual when it comes to typing, I use SmartKeyboard Pro with a few tweaks and customization. My favourite is being able to press and hold to get a secondary character on each key on the keyboard rather than having to switch to a completely new set to get special characters and flip back and forth between them.

To be honest, I'm not really a fan of any of the Android iterations from manufacturers and i find it really weird how the worst one, Samsung touchwiz or whatever the hell its called, got the most recognition for it. Personally, I use the MIUI rom which is actually quite similar to iPhone! ZZZZZZING!
 
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FYI, my iOS devices running iOS 6 GM:

iPhone 4: 3095.6 ms
iPhone 4S: 1753.7 ms
3rd generation iPad: 1434.7 ms

And for fun, my 2011 MacBook Pro running Mountain Lion at Safari: 274.5 ms

Holy crap thats a lot of optimization!!!
For the A6 that is.
 
I'm talking about functionality. Some examples include the ability to send files through bluetooth, set default apps, an easy to find location of all your apps (Applications folder on the Mac and the app launcher for Android), and an actual file manager.

iOS has a really good search section if you swipe left of the main screen. I always hated the applications section on Androids. You go to it, its filled with crappy carrier apps, and finding the app you wan't can take forever because its so cluttered.

App screens, just another thing Apple does better then Android.
 
iOS has a really good search section if you swipe left of the main screen. I always hated the applications section on Androids. You go to it, its filled with crappy carrier apps, and finding the app you wan't can take forever because its so cluttered.

App screens, just another thing Apple does better then Android.

So cluttered? It's alphabetical. Honestly I rarely even use the app launcher because I organized everything into 16 folders of categories. I like that the launcher is there because I don't have to keep all my apps on my homescreens. iOS is more cluttered because you have to. And if you try to organize and clean it up, you have way more folders than it should take because you're limited to 12 apps per folder.
 
So cluttered? It's alphabetical. Honestly I rarely even use the app launcher because I organized everything into 16 folders of categories. I like that the launcher is there because I don't have to keep all my apps on my homescreens. iOS is more cluttered because you have to. And if you try to organize and clean it up, you have way more folders than it should take because you're limited to 12 apps per folder.

Theres a limitation? LOL, oh man thats awful. See, its things like that, that would drive me nuts that apple users just don't accept as the downfalls of iOS, and its clearly at the hands of apple for making these limitations. I could have 50 games installed on my android and all of them get tossed into ONE folder. For the record I only have 3 games installed but I do have a few folders that contain about 15 applications. In total I have everything organized into 8 folders with MIUI; System Apps, Tools, News, Navigation, Internet, Productivity, Media and Games. MIUI doesnt have an app drawer, but ive never liked going through the long list of apps just to find the one i need to use so I'm not bothered by it.
 
I would consider "slightest bit of customization" to wallpapers. which we have. I know its "widgets" that your referring too but I mean......I can click on the weather app if I need to see the weather. I don't need it on my home screen.

just switch carriers couple months ago and got the SG3 cause i wanted an ip5 and it wasnt out yet so i decided to give android a fair shot while waiting. my thoughts on widgets are whats the point. i have an ebay widget i have to click to see, an app can do that. a myVerizon widget that i have to click to view usage and then it only shows me what i check the last time i clicked. so what i already knew that number. facebook widget, never up to date on post, flashlight widget works just like an app icon. just dont see the big advantage of having widgets. im sure there are some that are useful just none for me. CAN'T WAIT FOR FRIDAY'S DELIVERY
 
Well Javascript is very much a single threaded operation, so as such it is not the best benchmark to use when comparing cpu:s as it only uses one core of the cpu.

Which means that a dual core cpu would probably almost always beat a similar quad core cpu on a test like this, even if the quad core cpu is a little bit faster overall.

However, this also shows a little bit how meaningless quad core is in a mobile device. Many cores get their benefits when you are doing cpu intensive tasks that can be multithreaded, such as rendering, compressing video and similar. Many of the kind of operations you don't normally do on a mobile device. Two cores are probably better for these usage scenarios.

Which is why - I guess - the new Windows Phone 8 devices also run dual core.

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... my thoughts on widgets are whats the point...

Widgets: Pointless, like you said.
Live tiles: The perfect middleground between widgets and just an icon.
 
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