iPhone 5 Javascript Benchmarks Over Twice as Fast

[WatchTheThrone]

Show me the benefits of having a phone made of glass that is known to completely shatter by falling a mere foot off the ground. As nice as the iPhone looks, the materials used for it require great care. Unfortunately your argument is moot because eventhough you said 'most' you still say in a manner that implies all, when in fact many are not.

Also, and oddly enough.... if you have such a problem with plastics, why is it that nearly every iphone i see is covered with rubber bands and other ridiculous enclosures that end up looking like the cheap plastic android phones you pointed out anyway?

And last, did you ever make this complaint before the iPhone 4, or did it only become a problem when you saw 'the new iphone' ??

The benefits of glass is that it gets you ass

I'm pretty sure I said "most" even if you think I said all so dont be putting words in my mouth!! And iPhones do require care like every product that costs me a lot of money regardless if its plastic,glass,aluminum I always take care of my gadgets.
Whatever people put on their phones is up to them so it's pointless for you to bring that up because you don't know if I put a case on my iPhone or not!!
Actually I did ike the plastic on the past iPhones but that plastic was of better quality then Android Tonka Toy plastic

But if I had an Andriod I'd still put a case to hide the ugly not to protect it LOL

 

[mnemonix]

Quit dodging the questiong and bringing up Android when I specifically started the topic on iOS's lack of choice.

Nowhere in the post you replied to did I even mention Android. I pointed out that at this stage your arguments have no legitimacy because you're not consistent in your position. For example you now return to the issue of "choice" which would be fair enough were it not for the fact that your previous post had you going off on one over the materials used in the iPhone. On this basis, nothing about this phone works for you.

I point all this out because it's simply not worth discussing the iPhone with you anymore. You're not genuinely interested in how it could be improved because you don't like anything about it and only want to denigrate it. As I said you're either an Astroturfer or a troll.

 

[wikus]

Nowhere in the post you replied to did I even mention Android. I pointed out that at this stage your arguments have no legitimacy because you're not consistent in your position. For example you now return to the issue of "choice" which would be fair enough were it not for the fact that your previous post had you going off on one over the materials used in the iPhone. On this basis, nothing about this phone works for you.

I point all this out because it's simply not worth discussing the iPhone with you anymore. You're not genuinely interested in how it could be improved because you don't like anything about it and only want to denigrate it. As I said you're either an Astroturfer or a troll.

I'll say this a THIRD time: Because someone brought it up.

 

[HangmanSwingset]

I already pointed out before that YOU guys are the ones who cannot touch on the lack of options in iOS instead resort to dodging the issue by bringing up android and the drawbacks of some phones.

I'll be blunt:

Quit dodging the questiong and bringing up Android when I specifically started the topic on iOS's lack of choice.

I personally never brought up Android, I'm just stating that the lack of customization isn't a flaw. I personally don't see where customization is such a big deal, but I'm not against it completely. If the phone does it what you need it to do, then who cares if it doesn't look the way you like.
And as the topic of this thread states, this iPhone does what it needs to do, and it does it extremely well. Disregarding that completely simply because you can't change the way it looks is a terrible way to decide on a product of any sort.

 

[Vaughn Felix]

Booyah

man thats tasty fast!!!

 

[macs4nw]

So, you'd rather turn a blind eye at the fact that Apple purposely limits even the slightest bit of customization? Do you oppose CHOICE?

If that bit of customization limitation results in an awesome piece of equipment that runs like nothing else AND has a great user experience, I can live with that limitation. It's a great, big world out there, and we don't all have to like and prefer the same things; that in fact would be a boring world!

 

[viacavour]

Youre dodging the question again with an answer that is complete irrelevant!

There are obviously many iOS users who would like to see more options builtin, had it not been the cry for them, you'd still be stuck without having copy/paste and other features.

On iOS, you extend iPhone with iApps. Obviously many Android users hope there are more applications, but the reality is they don't get that many. It's a matter of time for Apple to add copy-and-paste and other refinement to iOS. Android doesn't have all the features of iOS anyway, like AirPlay to other iOS devices.

Having the ability to unroot Android is meaningless for most users. Most haven't even upgraded to a recent Android. So they don't get all the new features.

So I'll keep asking you, why are you against having choice in iOS?

Forger your own personal preferences, whatever options are brought forward wouldnt matter anyway, the CHOICE would be to use them or not, ie; launchap (its there, others like it, some dont, its existence doesnt bother anyone). I get the feeling that youre the type of person who would be very bothered by the existence of other options in iOS should they be implemented or if they have been already (and it doesnt look like you care.... and I wonder why??)

There are many app choices in iOS.

For UI extensions, more choices may or may not be a good thing.

 

[alienapp]

I already pointed out before that YOU guys are the ones who cannot touch on the lack of options in iOS instead resort to dodging the issue by bringing up android and the drawbacks of some phones.

I'll be blunt:

Quit dodging the questiong and bringing up Android when I specifically started the topic on iOS's lack of choice.

Well to put it bluntly, options are nice. But to many options are bad.

To many options would require people to use more thought and increase difficulty for new users as well. (the paradox of choice.)

 

[Jarson]

Wake me up when Apple has a clue about customization and then I'll consider using an iOS based device.

Have you heard about jailbreak?
You won't do many stuff with Android until you root it so your argument is invalid.

 

[mib1800]

Have you heard about jailbreak?
You won't do many stuff with Android until you root it so your argument is invalid.

You are so wrong. Stock Android can do so much more that any jailbroken iphone.

 

[viacavour]

Well to put it bluntly, options are nice. But to many options are bad.

To many options would require people to use more thought and increase difficulty for new users as well. (the paradox of choice.)

Yes, slows down the user flow, and increases computing resources (less efficient).

It has to be decided on a case-by-case basis, which is what Apple has done. Streamline the user flow and remove redundant options.

Then build a healthy app ecosystem to extend iPhone's functionality. e.g., hooking up to a mainframe. No jailbreaking is needed.

 

[macosxuser01]

These are very primitive rebuttals. Have you read nothing I wrote in this thread?



Notice how no one, including me said which platform is better? Also notice how I've been consisten with my criticisms on apple for the lack of customization while many of the other forum members have been dodging the issue and instead of countering the criticism with a legit answer theres been accusation of me being a fandroid, troll, while others imply users like myself only care about specs, etc.

It really goes to show the degree to which some individuals have a grasp on technology and the ability to have a discussion about it.

Your right but however you can't say the iPhone under performs then S3. It's about preference but you got to realized that iPhone is more stubble to an average consumer. My parents have an ease using iOS for example. But it's more then that. The performance to battery ratio is better with iPhone then Android. I'm sorry to tell you this. You might like Android over iOS but Apple out performs everybody

 

[alienapp]

No jailbreaking is needed.

Don't really agree with this part. Because there are people who like to tinker their phones.

In other words, people have choice. The choice to just go with what apple has already designed, and the choice to tie up your hair and tweak to your hearts content.

And i love that

 

[wikus]

Yes, slows down the user flow, and increases computing resources (less efficient).

It has to be decided on a case-by-case basis, which is what Apple has done. Streamline the user flow and remove redundant options.

Then build a healthy app ecosystem to extend iPhone's functionality. e.g., hooking up to a mainframe. No jailbreaking is needed.

But a less efficient device is usually at the hands of stacking operations on top. What I want are under-the-hood changes, like being able to switch the keyboard at will, setting shortcuts in the notifications pull down menu, contacts on a homescreen that give a customized popup of what shows up when pressed on, etc. It's those little tweaks that I really want. I don't mean to add processes because I'm all about optimization myself, I keep all of my devices, mobile and desktop, running with as little background operations as possible. I know exactly what you guys mean to keep it simple, and I agree, but i just want to be able to switch certains things up, not a drastical overhaul, no themes or widgets, just under the hood.

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Your right but however you can't say the iPhone under performs then S3. It's about preference but you got to realized that iPhone is more stubble to an average consumer. My parents have an ease using iOS for example. But it's more then that. The performance to battery ratio is better with iPhone then Android. I'm sorry to tell you this. You might like Android over iOS but Apple out performs everybody

I think a strong case could be made for the HTC One S holding up with a performance to battery ratio;

http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-s-...-how-power-efficient-the-two-krait-cores-are/

 

[viacavour]

Don't really agree with this part. Because there are people who like to tinker their phones.

In other words, people have choice. The choice to just go with what apple has already designed, and the choice to tie up your hair and tweak to your hearts content.

And i love that

Sure, but you don't need to jailbreak your iPhone to use the hundred thousands apps to extend iPhone's capability. 8^)

If you want to tinker with the low level changes, that's hobbyist activities. Then you can toy with jailbreaking. Regular users don't need it in the main user flow.

 

[mib1800]

Yes, slows down the user flow, and increases computing resources (less efficient).

It has to be decided on a case-by-case basis, which is what Apple has done. Streamline the user flow and remove redundant options.

Really?

Let's look at UI steps (which you use a lot every day)

1. Main app->open secondary app (e.g. email->open link/file, browser->view pdf etc). To navigating back to main app

iOS
- Tap Home / Double-tap Home
- Look for the main app icon
- Tap main app icon

Android
- Tap back button

2. Basic UI usage
iOS
- To edit item, tap the small arrow on the right of list item
- To delete, swipe on item to call-out delete
- For other options use the slide-up menu
- To change app settings, exit app, go to Settings to change

Android
- Long press on list item to call out menu and select edit or delete or other options or setting

 

[MacDav]

Benchmarks dont make it or break it, especially since the last article Macrumors wrote got debunked by users posting higher benchmarks than Macrumors posted in the Samsung SIII comparison, thereby beating the iPhone 5.

Wake me up when Apple has a clue about customization and then I'll consider using an iOS based device.

We don't much care what you consider...So go back to sleep.

 

[Winni]

Obviously the Galaxy S3 is faster since the bar is longer.

That's the only excuse I can see the fandroids coming up with.

You know what "stock browser" means, right? That is the the browser that's pre-installed on your phone, and in case of iOS, the ONLY browser you will ever see.

But guess what - on an Android phone, we ALSO have Chrome and Firefox and other web browsers, and I never use the stock browser. Shall we compare the performance of Chrome and Firefox for Android with Safari?

 

[wikus]

You know what "stock browser" means, right? That is the the browser that's pre-installed on your phone, and in case of iOS, the ONLY browser you will ever see.

But guess what - on an Android phone, we ALSO have Chrome and Firefox and other web browsers, and I never use the stock browser. Shall we compare the performance of Chrome and Firefox for Android with Safari?

Opera Mobile!

I absolutely love the feature where scrolling down a page brings up an arrow pointing into that direction to go all the way down (or up) to the page, thus eliminating the need to slide your finger 10, 20, 50 times depending on the length of the web page.

 

[viacavour]

But a less efficient device is usually at the hands of stacking operations on top. What I want are under-the-hood changes, like being able to switch the keyboard at will, setting shortcuts in the notifications pull down menu, contacts on a homescreen that give a customized popup of what shows up when pressed on, etc. It's those little tweaks that I really want. I don't mean to add processes because I'm all about optimization myself, I keep all of my devices, mobile and desktop, running with as little background operations as possible. I know exactly what you guys mean to keep it simple, and I agree, but i just want to be able to switch certains things up, not a drastical overhaul, no themes or

Sure... The sense of freedom is there but even an unrooted Android can't do everything. e.g. You can't AirPlay to other iOS devices.

And it requires too much knowledge and time for regular folks to re-optimize your choices. In fact, the vendors lag behind Android releases because they have to test and optimize the latest version for their hardware too.

On iOS all the software are optimized to select few hardware variation, now including the custom CPU. As a result, Apple software will always be more efficient.

I think a strong case could be made for the HTC One S holding up with a performance to battery ratio;

http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-s-...-how-power-efficient-the-two-krait-cores-are/

It's not just performance/battery ratio. It's also absolute performance, phone size, etc. iPhone 5 is better.

 

[inscrewtable]

@wikus

You know you want an iPhone.

 

[jctevere]

But a less efficient device is usually at the hands of stacking operations on top. What I want are under-the-hood changes, like being able to switch the keyboard at will, setting shortcuts in the notifications pull down menu, contacts on a homescreen that give a customized popup of what shows up when pressed on, etc. It's those little tweaks that I really want. I don't mean to add processes because I'm all about optimization myself, I keep all of my devices, mobile and desktop, running with as little background operations as possible. I know exactly what you guys mean to keep it simple, and I agree, but i just want to be able to switch certains things up, not a drastical overhaul, no themes or widgets, just under the hood.

I think the main answer to this question is that it is simply not in Apple's DNA. Apple has and will always be about refinement, simplicity and minimalism. You will need added buttons and menus to enable or manipulate these customization, adding clutter. Heck, I'm a younger and tech savy user and all of Android's menus and options get even me overwhelmed and sometimes lost/confused.

Apple is known for their simplicity, ease of use, and that is why many people love it. Sometimes its not all about offering everything your competitors offer, but rather, differentiate yourself. If you want tons of customization, options, etc, get an Android. If you want a great phone, great features, great apps, ease of use, but not a ton of customization, get an iPhone.

If you want the best of both worlds - get and iPhone and Jailbreak it!

 

[richman555]

I will be upgrading from an iPhone 4 were there is a huge leap in Javascript performance!

 

[mnemonix]

Guys, I'm thinking we should start a fund to get Wikus his own iPhone. All this rage can't be good for the kid and I'm sure it's just because he feels deprived because his parents won't buy him one and all the other kids at school have one and... you know how it goes, one minute he's just standing up for it in the playground, next he's taking on the world, insisting everyone see's things his way, invading countries, imprisoning other phone users for trying to exercise their free choice. Damn did I godwin this futile discussion there?

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You know what "stock browser" means, right? That is the the browser that's pre-installed on your phone, and in case of iOS, the ONLY browser you will ever see.

Weird. I guess this Chrome thing I have on my iPhone isn't a web browser or something? Maybe I'm just imagining it's there

 

[viacavour]

Really?

Let's look at UI steps (which you use a lot every day)

1. Main app->open secondary app (e.g. email->open link/file, browser->view pdf etc). To navigating back to main app

iOS
- Tap Home / Double-tap Home
- Look for the main app icon
- Tap main app icon

Android
- Tap back button

Yes... it's the iPhone single app model ! It avoids confusion for laypeople.

On an iPad, you can use multi-finger swipe to go back or forward to the last app or next app though.

2. Basic UI usage
iOS
- To edit item, tap the small arrow on the right of list item
- To delete, swipe on item to call-out delete
- For other options use the slide-up menu
- To change app settings, exit app, go to Settings to change

Android
- Long press on list item to call out menu and select edit or delete or other options or setting

I think the iOS edit model is more fluidal than that. It depends on the app. e.g., Deleting a musical instrument from a score is different from deleting an entry from the contact database.

But yes, we go to Settings to change the app config. Then again, I have never felt the need to go there. 8^)
Like I said, the defaults are already good enough.

I think that's what Apple does. The moment you feel the need to use Settings, perhaps the defaults or app design can be improved further.

Having all those settings and options in your contextual menu doesn't always mean it's better. It just means the user has to think more, and also choose more carefully to avoid hitting the wrong item. It may also mean the usage model can be simplified further.