iPhone 5se vs iPhone 5 Photo (Supposedly)

[oldmacs]

Yes I realize that. But I don't want a iPhone 6, I want a 6S. The iPhone 6 is last years phone and the iPhone 6S is this years phone and what I am looking for. That is my point. Unless it has 2GB of ram a upgraded 5S with the A8 chip of the iPhone 6 is not enough of an upgrade for me to buy a new phone. I will just keep what I got til the next iteration and Apple will loose a sale.

Exactly. The 6 is barely an upgrade from the 5S and in my opinion will be amongst the worst ageing iPhone's ever, being the last model with 1GB, and not just the last but 1GB of ram at that point was very underspeced. The performance increases with the A8 were also not great.

Thus the specs of the 6 which were behind the times in 2014, are not going to make a good phone in 2016. May as well buy an iPhone 5S. The new 4 inch model needs to have the A9 and 2GB of ram.

 

[bobob]

There's no word on the thickness of the new 4" iPhone.

iPhone 5s = 7.6mm
iPhone 6s+ = 7.3mm
iPhone 6s = 7.1mm

Given that the 6s is thinner than the 6s+, perhaps the new 4" will shrink down to 6.9mm or even thinner.

The 5th/6th generation iPod Touch is 6.1mm.


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There's also no word on the weight of the new 4" iPhone.

192g = iPhone 6s+
172g = iPhone 6+
143g = iPhone 6s
129g = iPhone 6
112g = iPhone 5s
88g = 5th/6th gen iPod Touch

How low can it go? I'm betting on a "The lightest iPhone yet!" tagline.

The rumors also mention that the new 4" iPhone will not include the 3D Touch feature, which apparently accounts for some of the weight difference between the 6/6+ and 6s/6s+ models.

 

[John Mcgregor]

And photo from the side was not possible? Runing out of time ...

 

[Reason077]

Why? Why "5se"? Why March? Why lower specs?

"iPhone 6c" would make more sense to me, but if it ends up being called "5se" then I guess it's because Apple wants to position it as the entry-level device and not create too much confusion with the iPhone 6, which it obviously resembles.

 

[ValO]

I am hoping for

1. A 5se, with a8 and 2gb( same soc as ipad mini 4), 8mp camera and front camera as the iphone 6, updated ac wifi, apple pay, nfc, etc., at the same price as a iphone 5s. Discontinue the 5s immediately.

2. A 4.2 inch 6s( mini) with lower clocked a9 and 2gb , 12mp camera, 4k, 3d touch, apple pay, nfc, etc. Basically a smaller iphone 6s with a 1136x640 display(hoping for a 4.2 inch 1335x750). At the same price as a regular iphone 6. Around september/october they can phase out the regular 6, that will be replaced, as second tier) by the 6s(mini, reg./plus).

Just wishfull thinking on my behalf, i don' t think they will be able to release a high end iphone 6s mini because of technical challenges .

October line-up:
-5se
-6s (mini/reg/plus)
-7 (reg. /plus or pro)

A half year after the iphone 7s they will release a iphone 7s mini. Drop the 5se, reg. 6s and 6s plus, add a 6se mini.



But most important: get rid of the 1gb baseline to speed up development of more complex apps in the future, just like they did to push 64 bit more than a year ago.

Next stop: ipad
-air1 (1gb) as second tier will be replaced by air 2, add air 3.
-mini 2 (1gb) will be phased out this year. Only mini 4 at $50 cheaper. Perhaps a new mini 5 next year?

 

[ilian92]

Edit: it would have been so much easier if Apple named and configured their iOS devices like their other products.
No numbering, just newer generations.
No "plus", "mini", just different sizes with basically same specs (maybe some different clock speeds due to heat and size but same gen internals)

The 4'' iPhone (mid 2016), the 4.7'' iPhone (late 2016) and the 5.5'' iPhone (late 2016) or whatever the Plus size currently is.

 

[Rogier1991]

Looks fake to me. Using color picker, you can see that the back is actually gold. How does that suppose to match with the black front?

 

[Max(IT)]

Sorry, I couldn't be less interested in this phone. We've all been begging for larger screens since the iPhone 5, and now it's front page news that they're updating the iPhone 5. Man we must really be starved for Apple news these days.

Maybe YOU were begging for larger screens, but there are a lot of people still looking for 4" displays...

Yes I realize that. But I don't want a iPhone 6, I want a 6S. The iPhone 6 is last years phone and the iPhone 6S is this years phone and what I am looking for. That is my point. Unless it has 2GB of ram a upgraded 5S with the A8 chip of the iPhone 6 is not enough of an upgrade for me to buy a new phone. I will just keep what I got til the next iteration and Apple will loose a sale.

The A8 SoC is more than enough to drive a 4" display, especially with 2 Gb of RAM.
I'm hoping in a 2 Gb device too.

iPhone 6 Mini. Sorry Apple but you must name it this way for consistency.

yep, iPhone 6 Mini would be a much better name.

Exactly. The 6 is barely an upgrade from the 5S and in my opinion will be amongst the worst ageing iPhone's ever, being the last model with 1GB, and not just the last but 1GB of ram at that point was very underspeced. The performance increases with the A8 were also not great.

Thus the specs of the 6 which were behind the times in 2014, are not going to make a good phone in 2016. May as well buy an iPhone 5S. The new 4 inch model needs to have the A9 and 2GB of ram.

Lol, speaking about reality distortion field.
The 6 was barely an upgrade from the 5S ? In which parallel dimension ?

The iPhone 6 WAS an upgrade, and only in some tests it wasn't an huge upgrade due to the bigger screen.
Now you put an A8 and hopefully 2 Gb of RAM in a 4" iPhone and performance will be even better, not far from an iPhone 6S.

 

[diipii]

My phone cost me £19, five years ago and is going well. It is used for making phone calls, not very often, and costs me £20 for roughly two years use. The only motivation to change to a "smart" phone would be to transfer my cash to Apple's bank balance. They seem to own a lot of cash already and more just seems greedy. Which is what Apple is now.

 

[BillyBobBongo]

I hope this is true. My iPhone 4s is really starting to play up now, here's hoping it can hold out until spring!

 

[oldmacs]

Lol, speaking about reality distortion field.
The 6 was barely an upgrade from the 5S ? In which parallel dimension ?

You might want to look at your reality distortion field.

Its quite widely recognised that the 6 was not much of an upgrade from the 5S in terms of performance, compared to most other iPhone generations. The majority of those benchmarks show only small improvements between the 5S and 6 compared to much bigger differences between the 4 and 4S or the 4S and 5 or the 6 and 6S.

The iPhone 6 WAS an upgrade, and only in some tests it wasn't an huge upgrade due to the bigger screen.
Now you put an A8 and hopefully 2 Gb of RAM in a 4" iPhone and performance will be even better, not far from an iPhone 6S

I didn't say it wasn't an upgrade, I said it wasn't much of an upgrade. Putting a processor that wasn't really that impressive in 2014 into a 2016 phone isn't going to bode well for longevity. Its also fairly pointless for those looking to upgrade from a 5S.

 

[bobob]

My phone cost me £19, five years ago and is going well. It is used for making phone calls, not very often, and costs me £20 for roughly two years use. The only motivation to change to a "smart" phone would be to transfer my cash to Apple's bank balance. They seem to own a lot of cash already and more just seems greedy. Which is what Apple is now.

I believe that you're not only in the wrong thread, but the wrong forum as well.

Perhaps you could try flipphonerumors.com.

 

[ValO]

You might want to look at your reality distortion field.

Its quite widely recognised that the 6 was not much of an upgrade from the 5S in terms of performance, compared to most other iPhone generations. The majority of those benchmarks show only small improvements between the 5S and 6 compared to much bigger differences between the 4 and 4S or the 4S and 5 or the 6 and 6S.



I didn't say it wasn't an upgrade, I said it wasn't much of an upgrade. Putting a processor that wasn't really that impressive in 2014 into a 2016 phone isn't going to bode well for longevity. Its also fairly pointless for those looking to upgrade from a 5S.

I think a 2gb a8 in a 4 inch phone is definately an upgrade, there is no company that matches this, they don' t even release a small phone like that. For driving a 1136x640 display, it is like putting a ferrari engine in a mini.

The problem is that the display res is dated. Minimal res on this 4 inch phone should be equal to the reg iphone 6 at 1335x750, and not 1136x640.
And they should have updated the res on the 6s and 6s+ plus to 1704x960 for the 6s and 2k+ on the 6s plus.
They would have sold a lot more 6s this way.

So please apple up the res and the display tech on your iphones.

 

[oldmacs]

I think a 2gb a8 in a 4 inch phone is definately an upgrade, there is no company that matches this, they don' t even release a small phone like that. For driving a 1136x640 display, it is like putting a ferrari engine in a mini.

The problem is that the display res is dated. Minimal res on this 4 inch phone should be equal to the reg iphone 6 at 1335x750, and not 1136x640.
And they should have updated the res on the 6s and 6s+ plus to 1704x960 for the 6s and 2k+ on the 6s plus.
They would have sold a lot more 6s this way.

So please apple up the res and the display tech on your iphones.

Its honestly not that great an upgrade when you look at the minimal difference between the 5S and the 6 in terms of benchmarks etc. I certainly don't want to buy an iPhone that is guaranteed a short life due to low end specifications.

 

[Max(IT)]

You might want to look at your reality distortion field.

Its quite widely recognised that the 6 was not much of an upgrade from the 5S in terms of performance, compared to most other iPhone generations. The majority of those benchmarks show only small improvements between the 5S and 6 compared to much bigger differences between the 4 and 4S or the 4S and 5 or the 6 and 6S.



I didn't say it wasn't an upgrade, I said it wasn't much of an upgrade. Putting a processor that wasn't really that impressive in 2014 into a 2016 phone isn't going to bode well for longevity. Its also fairly pointless for those looking to upgrade from a 5S.

Widely recognized where ? Here ?
I posted NUMBERS.
Every iPhone is an incremental upgrade plus some new features. You have to skip one generation each time to see huge improvements.
The A8 was , and actually IS, a very good SoC.
Put it in a 4" devices, with 2 Gb of RAM, and you'll have a very good compact device.
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Its honestly not that great an upgrade when you look at the minimal difference between the 5S and the 6 in terms of benchmarks etc. I certainly don't want to buy an iPhone that is guaranteed a short life due to low end specifications.

Minimal difference ? There are NUMBERS a few posts above. Numbers that you purposely ignored....

 

[ValO]

Its honestly not that great an upgrade when you look at the minimal difference between the 5S and the 6 in terms of benchmarks etc. I certainly don't want to buy an iPhone that is guaranteed a short life due to low end specifications.

Ok, but in the graphics benchmarks, what would you get if you drive the a8 2gb at 1136x640 instead of the 1335x750 of the iphone 6 or the 2048x1536 of the mini 4?
You will get a 50 % increase compared to a 5s with an a7. It will certainly be much more than enough.
I don' t know what you would like to do with your 4 inch iPhone. AutoCAD, full version of photoshop?

Apple has a very comfortable lead in soc tech. My iphone 6s is overpowered.

Apple should focus on higher res /better mobile displays to take more advantage of their high tec socs/gpu' s.

 

[oldmacs]

Ok, but in the graphics benchmarks, what would you get if you drive the a8 2gb at 1136x640 instead of the 1335x750 of the iphone 6 or the 2048x1536 of the mini 4?
You will get a 50 % increase compared to a 5s with an a7. It will certainly be much more than enough.
I don' t know what you would like to do with your 4 inch iPhone. AutoCAD, full version of photoshop?

Apple has a very comfortable lead in soc tech. My iphone 6s is overpowered.

Where should put its focus is on higher res mobile displays.

Better performance but not as good as an A9. I'd like to have a phone that will last me a long time, through multiple iOS upgrades, not a SOC that is already about to be onto its 2nd iOS upgrade cycle.

 

[CFreymarc]

Why not just keep selling the iPhone 5s for couple of more years? It is a good phone.

Yes it is but this upgrade is less expensive to build as it will use parts similar to the iPhone 6. It may even have the same board as the 6S with a smaller batter and screen. The tear downs will show this quick.

 

[GreyOS]

why ask "Ideally, what size iPhone screen will your next one be?" and then offer all the actually available sizes, which someone could actually get rather than just ideally get? Perhaps ideally we'd like another unavailable size.

 

[Reason077]

Exactly. The 6 is barely an upgrade from the 5S ... The performance increases with the A8 were also not great.

This has been the pattern with iPhone models for years. The iPhone 4, 5, and 6 were all only modest improvements on the 3gs, 4s, and 5s respectively in terms of performance.

The "s" models then get a more significant performance/architectural upgrade while retaining the same design. It's called a tick-tock upgrade cycle.

 

[oldmacs]

Widely recognized where ? Here ?
I posted NUMBERS.
Every iPhone is an incremental upgrade plus some new features. You have to skip one generation each time to see huge improvements.
The A8 was , and actually IS, a very good SoC.
Put it in a 4" devices, with 2 Gb of RAM, and you'll have a very good compact device.

If you actually opened your eyes and looked at the chart or benchmarks that show numerous generations of iPhones you'd realise that most other generations have had large increases of processing power, not minimal ones like on the charts you just posted. Look at the difference on your charts between the 5 and the 5S, then look at the small difference between the 5S and 6.

Minimal difference ? There are NUMBERS a few posts above. Numbers that you purposely ignored....

No they are not. Your numbers show the small difference between the 5S and 6 compared to the much bigger differences between previous iPhone generations (Eg 4 to 4S or 4S to 5 or 5 to 5s or 6 to 6S). The most minimal perofmracbe upgrades have been in the 2G to 3G, 3GS to 4 (though the ram upgrade certainly helped there), and the 5S to 6. Time has shown that the 3G and the 4 have been amongst the worst ageing iPhones, and it would not surprise me if the 6 was the next, as it repeats the minimal performance increases that those models had.
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This has been the pattern with iPhone models for years. The iPhone 4, 5, and 6 were all only modest improvements on the 3gs, 4s, and 5s respectively in terms of performance.

While the 4 and 6 have been minimal upgrades, the 5 was a big upgrade over the 4S. However that just feeds my point, basing the successor to the 5S off a phone that was not really a big improvement in 2014 is going to lead to a phone that will age poorly.

 

[Jsameds]

This has been the pattern with iPhone models for years. The iPhone 4, 5, and 6 were all only modest improvements on the 3gs, 4s, and 5s respectively in terms of performance.

The "s" models then get a more significant performance/architectural upgrade while retaining the same design. It's called a tick-tock upgrade cycle.

Tock > Tick


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Geekbench results for iPhones post 3G, for all those interested.

 

[matt3526]

A few years ago fanboys would criticise Android for their fragmentation, and would laud Apple for not committing such a heinous act. We now have 3 iPhone sizes and 3 iPad sizes

 

[BruceEBonus]

If in doubt (or stuck for ideas) ... make it bigger. If still in doubt after that .... make it smaller. And after you've done all that and you're still stuck for ideas ... put "3D touch" on everything and call it innovation. BS Baffles Brains everytime. Job done!

 

[Jsameds]

A few years ago fanboys would criticise Android for their fragmentation, and would laud Apple for not committing such a heinous act. We now have 3 iPhone sizes and 3 iPad sizes

Still in a totally different league.

"As for screen sizes, iOS developers have to think about four different resolutions as opposed to the proliferation of different screen sizes on Android. Check out the various physical screen sizes OpenSignal observed on Android phones, with the darkness of the lines representing their frequency."

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/07/30/the-terrible-state-of-android-fragmentation/