iPhone 5se vs iPhone 5 Photo (Supposedly)

[solace]

See the reflection inside of the phone displays? You can see the iPhone which took the photo. On the left side, the reflected iPhone is taller than on the right side.

The phone on the right is just a rescaled iPhone 6. The reflection has not been adjusted entirely or it is an optical illustion in which the left phone is closer to the camera than the phone on the right. Hence close objects would seem bigger (reflected phone) and object further away (lamp shade) would stay the same size. Mystery solved. I marked it in my uploaded photo.

If you would post those photos after looking at them more closely, you would minimize the amount of fake shots like this because those guys dont get their fame for fakes...

I figured it was the second option, that the right side of the phone taking the photo was higher than the left.

 

[179202]

If this is real, I'll be selling my 6S to downgrade to it. Hugely more comfortable form factor and the camera from the 6 produces less noise in low light too.

 

[MacCubed]

Clearly fake... You can see the refection change between the two pictures, whoever made this did a pretty good job at making it look legit! Also, as many have said, why would the lock button be on the side of the phone if it's a 4" model? Compared to a iPhone 5, my 6s+ NEEDS the lock button on the side. The 4" form factor is just too small for the lock button on the side

 

[American Hero]

I'm going to pray the iPhone 7 and any other iPhone release this year isn't boring.

 

[Andres Cantu]

I actually was very specific in NOT suggesting a name (I said "5xx" to avoid this), I didn't suggest "5se", not sure why you're attributing that to me. I was only was dealing with the 6 vs. 5 since you asked "why not?"; I suggested a reason, the iOS upgrade path (and gave another example too). I also said "IF" the power isn't the same.

When the iPad 4 was out and they came out with a smaller iPad they did not call it an iPad 4 mini. It's a completely different numbering system (they had no number at the time, but they do now and they don't match up and you can easily count). The minis have been numbered separately from the iPads, iPad Airs and the iPhones (and then we have the few models of iPad they didn't actually number).

Also, "Plus" in Apple's iPhone naming convention means larger screen. I'm not sure why you'd say that it'd be a 5 plus...

I'm not suggesting a specific naming convention, I'm just saying if the screen size of the iPhone 5 is the screen size of this newer small one AND the power isn't the same of the 6, it might make sense to avoid the 6 number (to avoid weird iOS upgrade fragmentation at some point). Apple might be planning ahead so they don't end up saying "this update of iOS runs on all the iPhone 6 models except for the iPhone 6 mini" OR IF this model doesn't have ApplePay so they can say something simple like "Apple Pay runs on all models of iPhone 6 and up".

It's kind of wasteful to argue naming conventions for a nonexistent product with no official specs or official name. I was just giving a few examples as to why not...

Gary

I shouldn't have mentioned "5se", that was too specific. You said "5xx", and in my opinion, any "5xx" name (or name with a "5" in it) would not make sense for a phone that would basically be a smaller iPhone 6 (in both looks and power).

The iOS upgrade path won't be a problem. It would be able to run up to the same iOS version as the regular 6 (if it has an A8 chip).

I mentioned "5s Plus" just as an example a valid iPhone 6 name under your terms (not the same power as a 6s, therefore 5xx makes sense). I could have also said the iPhone 6 could have been called the "iPhone 5ss" or something along those lines.

I understand your argument, and I agree with your last comment, but I see no scenario in which this new 4" phone does not have the same power as the 6. They will both run the same iOS versions (I mean, one phone was released in 2014, the other would be in 2016, how could the latter not run at least up to the same version?).

 

[TallManNY]

If Apple wants the new 4" phone to sell well they need it to have the internals of the 6S. If it has the internals of the 6 they are crippling it right out of the gate and it want sell as well. I want a 4" phone myself but I don't want it with old tech. I want it to be the same as the 6S just in a smaller form factor. Guess we will have to wait to see what Apple comes out with.

I know you want this but you can't get it. No one is making small form factor flagships. In fact I believe the 6s is the smallest screen flagship phone out there now. This 5se will certainly compare favorably spec-wise with any other 4" screen phone.

It is a bit like cars. You can't get all of the latest tech and the most powerful engines in the smaller sedans. Like the Mercedes C-class. You have to buy the S-class if you want the current best stuff. And that means you end up with a much larger car.

 

[LovingTeddy]

The A8 SoC is more than enough to drive a 4" display, especially with 2 Gb of RAM.
I'm hoping in a 2 Gb device too.

I think a 2gb a8 in a 4 inch phone is definately an upgrade, there is no company that matches this, they don' t even release a small phone like that. For driving a 1136x640 display, it is like putting a ferrari engine in a mini.

The problem is that the display res is dated. Minimal res on this 4 inch phone should be equal to the reg iphone 6 at 1335x750, and not 1136x640.
And they should have updated the res on the 6s and 6s+ plus to 1704x960 for the 6s and 2k+ on the 6s plus.
They would have sold a lot more 6s this way.

So please apple up the res and the display tech on your iphones.

Said by someone who thinks A5X is enough to drive iPad 3, but yet, half years layer, iPad 3 was replaced by iPad 4.

A8 is 2 years old and because the RAM is integrated into the SOC, I don't think Apple will do an A8 iPhone with 2GB of RAM, unless Apple willing to do whole new A8 design. If Apple uses A8 chip on iPhone 5SE, they probably gonna use A8 chips in inventory. I highly doubt they gonna do 2 version of A8 SOC.

EDIT: it seems Apple did created other A8 with 2GB of for iPad mini 4... They might use this with iPhone 5SE... Never mind then

 

[ephemeralreason]

Did you realize that on a 4" screen the internals of the iPhone 6 would fly ?
Let us hope about 2 Gb of ram and it would be perfect.

Indeed. And Apple goes for user experience over numbers, so given this I do expect 6 internals.

 

[Max(IT)]

If you actually opened your eyes and looked at the chart or benchmarks that show numerous generations of iPhones you'd realise that most other generations have had large increases of processing power, not minimal ones like on the charts you just posted. Look at the difference on your charts between the 5 and the 5S, then look at the small difference between the 5S and 6.



No they are not. Your numbers show the small difference between the 5S and 6 compared to the much bigger differences between previous iPhone generations (Eg 4 to 4S or 4S to 5 or 5 to 5s or 6 to 6S). The most minimal perofmracbe upgrades have been in the 2G to 3G, 3GS to 4 (though the ram upgrade certainly helped there), and the 5S to 6. Time has shown that the 3G and the 4 have been amongst the worst ageing iPhones, and it would not surprise me if the 6 was the next, as it repeats the minimal performance increases that those models had.
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While the 4 and 6 have been minimal upgrades, the 5 was a big upgrade over the 4S. However that just feeds my point, basing the successor to the 5S off a phone that was not really a big improvement in 2014 is going to lead to a phone that will age poorly.

Wow you're in denial.
I posted numbers with differences ranging from 20 up to 60% increments and you are calling "minimal".

 

[franzkfk]

Nooooooo !!! 3.5 - inch. The best of the best. iPhone 6, 5C, 5se, 5S, 7z, 8hu ... Go to hell Tim Cook ! I remember the day when Apple was selling too many stuff and somebody, I think it was Steve Jobs, came and said: No! We will sell the best of the best. One phone!

 

[8692574]

The 4" form factor is just too small for the lock button on the side

Clearly all the Android phone makers think otherwise, and for sake of commonality so could Apple.

 

[Deuce on the Clock]

All indications are smaller screens (4 inch) wont be as popular. If this isn't 200-250 it will be a huge failure. But we know Apples arrogance will charge a premium for 350-500 for this phone. You're paying for the name at this point cause iOS is crap.

 

[MH01]

shame if true, l prefer the shape/design of the 5S, fits better in the hand.

 

[koyoot]

People still cannot believe it is real phone?

Time will only tell .

I stand with what I said before. iPhone 5SE - A8, new hardware - same price as iPhone 5S.
iPhone 6S Mini: A9, 2 GB of RAM same hardware as iPhone 6S, even aluminum Alloy, 3D Touch, 100$ less than iPhone 6S.

Even pricing makes sense. If that phone on the photo on the right would be addition to iPhone 6 lineup it would have to have 450$ price tag, with same hardware.
But that completely gets rid of iPhone 5SE, and iPhone 5S from the lineup. Making smaller 6S makes more sense for their lineup today, and when iPhone 7 comes out than anything else.

 

[TallManNY]

Speaking a bit of cars, I sometimes think Apple should consider going with fully numeric names where the first digit is the generation or form factor, the second two are the screen size. So we could sell the 640, the iPhone 647, and the iPhone 655. The Specs could vary and name would tell you the size of the phone and also imply, correctly, that the larger phones are a bit better.

But probably too late now to change name process.

Still I am looking forward to this phone. Personally I will just stick with whatever is Apple's latest flagship. But I have big hands and the 4.7" is nearly a one-handed phone for me. But I think this is a huge missing position in Apple's line. And it is particularly important to get more Apple Pay users out there.

 

[brendu]

All indications are smaller screens (4 inch) wont be as popular. If this isn't 200-250 it will be a huge failure. But we know Apples arrogance will charge a premium for 350-500 for this phone. You're paying for the name at this point cause iOS is crap.

The hardware in this will be at least on par with the iPhone 6 which is currently $550. How do you expect apple to sell it for half of that?

 

[TallManNY]

iPhone 5se-xy

IPhone 6C - Six-C - even more Sex-y

 

[koyoot]

People still cannot believe it is real phone?

Time will only tell .

I stand with what I said before. iPhone 5SE - A8, new hardware - same price as iPhone 5S.
iPhone 6S Mini: A9, 2 GB of RAM same hardware as iPhone 6S, even aluminum Alloy, 3D Touch, 100$ less than iPhone 6S.

Even pricing makes sense. If that phone on the photo on the right would be addition to iPhone 6 lineup it would have to have 450$ price tag, with same hardware.
But that completely gets rid of iPhone 5SE, and iPhone 5S from the lineup. Making smaller 6S makes more sense for their lineup today, and when iPhone 7 comes out than anything else.

http://9to5mac.com/2016/01/25/iphone-5se-a9-m9-hey-siri/ Well, hello there!

 

[TC03]

This is fake. It's an iPhone 5 next to an iPhone 6, except that the 5 is raised so that it is closer to the camera and appears to be bigger.

 

[jclardy]

Why not just keep selling the iPhone 5s for couple of more years? It is a good phone.

Because this phone has better internal specs - it matches the 6.

 

[Ballis]

There is no way Apple will use a naming convention like this, with two letters following the number.

3GS?

 

[8692574]

This is fake. It's an iPhone 5 next to an iPhone 6, except that the 5 is raised so that it is closer to the camera and appears to be bigger.

Are you trying to imply that the 5 has levitation powers and does not cast a shadow either?.... The new iPhone 5 V where V stant for Vampire!
Can be used on night light only and cannot be seen trough in mirror!

 

[freepomme]

Following reports that Apple will release a new 4-inch iPhone in March or April, a user named Gijs Raggers has shared a photo of the alleged smartphone next to an iPhone 5 on Dutch website One More Thing. The photo was posted on the website's discussion forums, where anyone can sign up and contribute.

The purported 4-inch iPhone appears to be the same size as the iPhone 5, but otherwise looks identical to the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6s externally, including its curved glass edges, thinner bezels, relocated FaceTime camera, pill-shaped volume buttons and power button moved to the right side.

Leaked photo of purportedly new 4-inch iPhone to the right of an iPhone 5​

The veracity of the photo cannot be confirmed, but Gijs Raggers previously leaked photos of the original iPad Air in August 2013, nearly three months before the tablet was announced. Many other photos and videos of the tablet surfaced around the same time, however, so take that as you will.

While most rumors suggest the new 4-inch iPhone's upgraded tech specs will be similar to the iPhone 6, including A8 and M8 chips, an 8-megapixel rear-facing camera and NFC for Apple Pay, the photo conflicts with reports claiming the device will look similar to the last-generation iPhone 5s design.

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It also sounds questionable for Apple to call its new 4-inch iPhone the "iPhone 5se" if the device truly resembles an iPhone 6. That may very well be the name, but the oft-rumored "iPhone 6c" name, or even the "iPhone 6 mini" name suggested in our forums, would seem to be more fitting name choices in that scenario.

KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo issued a note to investors today, a copy of which was obtained by MacRumors, in which he reaffirmed Apple will release a new 4-inch iPhone and iPad Air 3 in the first half of 2016. Both devices, and new Apple Watch bands, could be introduced at a March media event in San Francisco.

Article Link: Leaked Photo of Alleged 4-Inch iPhone Resembles iPhone 6

How do you actually vote on these things?

I was always under the impression it would share the basic dimensions of the 5s but the design language of the 6 series.

That would be cool, but after seeing the glorious need of bigger screens, I would never go back to a smaller screen.

I might go bigger, but not smaller. The 6 is a good size for me but I'm also looking into the Plus sizes.

 

[oldmacs]

Wow you're in denial.
I posted numbers with differences ranging from 20 up to 60% increments and you are calling "minimal".

How about you bother reading what I wrote.

Apart from the NAND storage speed difference (which has nothing to do with this argument about the A8 vs the A7 anyway), there differences between the 5S and 6 are minimal compared with the difference between the 5 and 5S, and the 4S and 5 and the 6 and 6S.

Google Octane:

5S vs 6 - difference of 960

5 vs 5S - difference of 3,613


3DMARK

5S vs 6 - difference of 2,120

5 vs 5S - difference of 9,472


GFXbench

5S vs 6 - difference of 9.3

5 vs 5S - difference of 26

The 6 was a big upgrade over the 5S mainly in design, it was not a major update in terms of processing. Its even obvious in terms of Apple's advertising. The 6S has the margin of improvement over the 6 highlighted, so does the 5S over the 5, the 5 over the 4S and the 4S over the 4.

 

[manu chao]

It might look like 6s but if it's power/RAM is NOT the same, then 5xx makes sense for the name.

Yeah, if it has the iPhone 6 internals (instead of iPhone 6s internals), it should be called iPhone 5xx.