iPhone 5se vs iPhone 5 Photo (Supposedly)

[Mac 128]

The antenna bands never bothered me, but I couldn't agree more about the power button on the side. They should've kept it up top. I'm surprised more people haven't complained about it on these forums.

Because it's less of a problem using it right handed. Left handed User's would definitely have a problem. And I agree, it makes no sense on a 4" phone. It will still be less of a problem for right handed users, which Apple has demonstrated it caters to with their Watch design, but it will be much more of a problem than on the 6S or Plus.
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you either save up for the current model or get a second previous model...

Except Apple has an opportunity to convert a significant number of Android users who are used to buying $100-200 4.7" and larger phones, using the exact same model that has served them well building a successful customer base since the 3G launched. Why would they walk away from that now? It makes no sense.

I was also thinking that as an option but some people will only buy directly from apple

He means spend more and buy the $550 6S, not buy second hand.

 

[0098386]

That's one giant eye.

 

[bobob]

If Apple wants the new 4" phone to sell well they need it to have the internals of the 6S.

How do you explain the ongoing success of the sales of the 5s in this era of the 6s?

 

[EdwardSmith36]

Because the 5S is outdated. The 5SE/6C will give us most* of the new "stuff" in a 4" form factor.

Exactly what I want to say is this. 5SE/6C will give us most* of the new "stuff"

 

[Mac 128]

Exactly what I want to say is this. 5SE/6C will give us most* of the new "stuff"

Yes, I suspect most customers who have been holding out for a 4" phone will probably buy this, as it will indeed be a step up. Aside from the lack of NFC, I'm mostly happy with my 5S -- it could definitely be faster as well, and this upgrade would be a step up for anyone still using a 3.5", or 4" phone. However, I and others are more than willing to spend as much as the 6S now costs to get it, so if this is Apple's only option, then they are leaving money on the table. I'll accept less to get a 4" phone, and I'll gladly pay less. But I would happily pay more to get even a marginally better spec-ed 4" phone.

Frankly, outside of a larger screen, I don't really know what a 6S truly offers me. Faster? More ram? NFC? Better camera? All of these things can be easily added to a 5S. And this rumor takes care of all of those, except perhaps the camera. So maybe there won't be two phones, but then Apple loses money from those who would pay more. Or, maybe this is being priced low enough that those who can't afford more will be perfectly happy holding on to it for a couple of years, and for those who can afford more, there's a new 4" 7 coming that we would all readily upgrade to even if we just bought the "5se", so Apple actually makes more than they would have by just offering a "6c" alternative.

 

[GoodWheaties]

The oblong home button sure gives this a very strong Photoshopped feeling

 

[Blujelly]

I was also thinking that as an option but some people will only buy directly from apple

Well they could still buy refurbs could they not? I know the chances are less but they could branch out to maybe well know suppliers of second hand Apple merch

Except Apple has an opportunity to convert a significant number of Android users who are used to buying $100-200 4.7" and larger phones, using the exact same model that has served them well building a successful customer base since the 3G launched. Why would they walk away from that now? It makes no sense.

I'd be surprised if it was a hit I'm just going by how well the iPhone C did, I know its obviously a different but for argument sake it holds some what of a purpose.

 

[WaxedJacket]

I might actually get this. If it has a better camera than my 5 and 128gb storage available. However I don't see Apple doing that at all.

 

[Mac 128]

I might actually get this. If it has a better camera than my 5 and 128gb storage available. However I don't see Apple doing that at all.

Which part? The 5S camera is already better. And if Apple really does this one low-end option, then offering larger storage options is the only way they will make more money out of wealthier 4" enthusiasts, who'd would otherwise buy the flagship model.

I'd say that's a great marketing angle, put the best possible camera on it they can, maybe 4K video, and offer the maximum amount of storage as an option, and call this the ultimate portable camera choice. Every customer who could afford the flagship might just buy a fully loaded version of this phone, justifying it over the savings on the 6S.

 

[robertojorge]

Hopefully its a true picture. Looking to replace my old 4S but not bigger than 4" , i was pondering getting a 5S but when i started to hear the rumors of a new iphone with 4" i said perfect!!

I offered my wife a iPhone 6 last year and i find the 4,7" to big for my day to day usage.

And the funny thing is that im ready to pay the same price of the 6/6S to have it on a 4" form factor.

I love the design of the 6 so this would be great!! If true will get one as soon as it comes out

 

[jonnysods]

Seems legit now. I'll just wait for the iPhone 7. I have the 6 right now, it's great, I don't know why they just don't avoid the c/e models and have 2 phone generations at a time, the 6 becomes the cheap version, you don't have to start production on a new phone, it keeps things simple, when the 7 comes out drop the 6.

 

[Max(IT)]

Said by someone who thinks A5X is enough to drive iPad 3, but yet, half years layer, iPad 3 was replaced by iPad 4.

A8 is 2 years old and because the RAM is integrated into the SOC, I don't think Apple will do an A8 iPhone with 2GB of RAM, unless Apple willing to do whole new A8 design. If Apple uses A8 chip on iPhone 5SE, they probably gonna use A8 chips in inventory. I highly doubt they gonna do 2 version of A8 SOC.

EDIT: it seems Apple did created other A8 with 2GB of for iPad mini 4... They might use this with iPhone 5SE... Never mind then

You just demonstrated a very poor knowledge about Apple, since A8 with 2 Gb of ram are being used in the very device I'm using right now (iPad mini 4).

Btw, who said A5X was enough to drive an iPad 3? It clearly wasn't....

 

[garylapointe]

I shouldn't have mentioned "5se", that was too specific. You said "5xx", and in my opinion, any "5xx" name (or name with a "5" in it) would not make sense for a phone that would basically be a smaller iPhone 6 (in both looks and power).

The iOS upgrade path won't be a problem. It would be able to run up to the same iOS version as the regular 6 (if it has an A8 chip).

I mentioned "5s Plus" just as an example a valid iPhone 6 name under your terms (not the same power as a 6s, therefore 5xx makes sense). I could have also said the iPhone 6 could have been called the "iPhone 5ss" or something along those lines.

I understand your argument, and I agree with your last comment, but I see no scenario in which this new 4" phone does not have the same power as the 6. They will both run the same iOS versions (I mean, one phone was released in 2014, the other would be in 2016, how could the latter not run at least up to the same version?).

It's not an argument, it's my answer to your "why not?". It's one reason, why not...
You seem to understand when you put IF in your answers, but not in mine.

I have no doubt that they will run the same iOS on release. IF they have the same internals then the numbering would/should likely be similar.

But IF they do NOT have the same power, they both might not be able to run the same iOS in 3 years. The numbering could/would make the upgrade option explanations much easier (i.e. some 6s models run iOS 12 and some don't).

Gary

 

[Max(IT)]

A few years ago fanboys would criticise Android for their fragmentation, and would laud Apple for not committing such a heinous act. We now have 3 iPhone sizes and 3 iPad sizes

Except this is not fragmentation but differentiation. Go find the difference.

How about you bother reading what I wrote.

Apart from the NAND storage speed difference (which has nothing to do with this argument about the A8 vs the A7 anyway), there differences between the 5S and 6 are minimal compared with the difference between the 5 and 5S, and the 4S and 5 and the 6 and 6S.

Google Octane:

5S vs 6 - difference of 960

5 vs 5S - difference of 3,613


3DMARK

5S vs 6 - difference of 2,120

5 vs 5S - difference of 9,472


GFXbench

5S vs 6 - difference of 9.3

5 vs 5S - difference of 26

The 6 was a big upgrade over the 5S mainly in design, it was not a major update in terms of processing. Its even obvious in terms of Apple's advertising. The 6S has the margin of improvement over the 6 highlighted, so does the 5S over the 5, the 5 over the 4S and the 4S over the 4.

And you incidentally left out the tests where the iPhone 6 scored TWICE the iPhone 5S.... Incidentally.
"Irrelevant " tests like memory I/O ......

 

[KJL3000]

This isn't matching the "5" in any way but the screen size. So I highly doubt it will have a "5" in its name. I rather see this be called iPhone 6c or something.

 

[pharris123]

I like the design, looks like a mini iPhone 6.

Looks like more years of glass screen protectors that don't cover the entire front. Not a entirely a bad thing, but I was hoping for a different approach this time... Can't seem to go back to non glass protectors

Don't waste your money on them. They do nothing. I see SO many people with broken iPhone screen who complain "but I bought this glass protector..." They are nothing more than a marketing gimmick.

 

[AriB2783]

If it's gonna look like a smaller iPhone 6, then the "5se" name just makes no sense whatsoever. Just call it the "iPhone 6 mini" and be done with it. They did it with the iPad, why not with the iPhone?

 

[5-0-5-0]

This just in:

Apple is going to release a toaster the same size as an iPhone 6.
PICTURES DON'T LIE!!

That is a hideous Cat. Thanks for ruining this post about the iPhone.

 

[Liebo]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but all the rumors for 5se are that it shares 5s form factor to share accessories. So a 5 case will not fit this leak with the power button moved to the side.

It looks like a 5 is standing proud of the table and that's a normal 6. It's a perspective thing on my opinion.

 

[brendu]

If they don't sell a cheaper option they will continue to lose market share. Consumers will not spend +700 on phones every cycle now that subsidies are gone. Apple gets very good pricing on components, they could charge much less on all their product lines but choose to pass off higher prices to the consumer.

I think your wrong on that. By not having subsidies Apple no longer needs to sell a $450 or cheaper model at all. People are going to just do more of the leasing plans we are seeing with all the carriers and even through Apple now. You can pick any iPhone model for $0 down payment. This payment model will work great at allowing Apple to make a smaller phone without it having to be substantially cheaper (and therefore lower spec'd).

Apple doesn't care about selling a $200 phone even if it increased sales because the profits aren't there. They take 95% of smartphone profits for a reason. Lowering phone prices will not help them make more money.

 

[Deuce on the Clock]

I think your wrong on that. By not having subsidies Apple no longer needs to sell a $450 or cheaper model at all. People are going to just do more of the leasing plans we are seeing with all the carriers and even through Apple now. You can pick any iPhone model for $0 down payment. This payment model will work great at allowing Apple to make a smaller phone without it having to be substantially cheaper (and therefore lower spec'd).

Apple doesn't care about selling a $200 phone even if it increased sales because the profits aren't there. They take 95% of smartphone profits for a reason. Lowering phone prices will not help them make more money.

They dont need to worry about profits, they need to be concerned with market share dropping now. When consumers realize financing a phone for life is the norm, cheaper will options will come into play. Plus a lot of the people don't have a credit card, which Apple requires for their plan. You also are required to purchase Applecare which is added on as well. Carrier plans are too confusing for customers to muddle through. Logically speaking, leasing or financing a phone is ridiculous and wasted money. Its a cycle for life and you never actually own the phone. Leasing or financing options should only be for cars or houses, not a phone. This is why China and other countries have cheaper comparable phones that do well or better than the iPhone. I respect your opinion but Ive crunched the numbers.

 

[brendu]

Don't waste your money on them. They do nothing. I see SO many people with broken iPhone screen who complain "but I bought this glass protector..." They are nothing more than a marketing gimmick.

They prevent scratches. I don't use them and just deal with scratches on my screen when they happen but yes screen protectors do help for a lot of scuffing.
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They dont need to worry about profits, they need to be concerned with market share dropping now. When consumers realize financing a phone for life is the norm, cheaper will options will come into play. Plus a lot of the people don't have a credit card, which Apple requires for their plan. You also are required to purchase Applecare which is added on as well. Carrier plans are too confusing for customers to muddle through. Logically speaking, leasing or financing a phone is ridiculous and wasted money. Its a cycle for life and you never actually own the phone. Leasing or financing options should only be for cars or houses, not a phone. This is why China and other countries have cheaper comparable phones that do well or better than the iPhone. I respect your opinion but Ive crunched the numbers.

1. Carrier plans are no more confusing now than they were before.

2. You do in fact own the phone when you have paid its value off (usually after 24 monthly payments) which is exactly
the same way it worked with 2 year contracts.

3. Apple never has cared about market share. All they care about is profit share and they are doing insanely well in that area. Apps on the App Store have fewer downloads than on Google play but make much more money so developers will stick with making apps for Apple first. Apple has no reason to worry about losing too much market share because iPhone users will continue to use iPhones and making cheaper phones might increase market share but it won't make Apple more money.

 

[jmgregory1]

3GS?

That was a relic of their needing to show the iPhone was moving to 3G cell service, and SE would seem to indicate that it is a second-generation model, but based upon an economy version, which I just do not see that playing out. A 5E model, maybe, but not SE. I would even be surprised if they went back to the 5 designation, instead of moving forward and calling it a 7E or 6E if it's actually based upon the 6.

 

[Gudi]

People like choices. I thought having a huge iPhone was a must. Now that I've owned my 6+ since release day, I'm ready to go back to a smaller phone.

People can't handle choices. We tend to fall for new even if we secretly prefer the old size. I nearly became an iPad mini 2 owner, only canceled my order because of gamut-gate. Now I'm happy with the iPad Air 2, don't want anything bigger or smaller. Apple had the perfect size right from the beginning.

 

[Deuce on the Clock]

They prevent scratches. I don't use them and just deal with scratches on my screen when they happen but yes screen protectors do help for a lot of scuffing.
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1. Carrier plans are no more confusing now than they were before.

2. You do in fact own the phone when you have paid its value off (usually after 24 monthly payments) which is exactly
the same way it worked with 2 year contracts.

3. Apple never has cared about market share. All they care about is profit share and they are doing insanely well in that area. Apps on the App Store have fewer downloads than on Google play but make much more money so developers will stick with making apps for Apple first. Apple has no reason to worry about losing too much market share because iPhone users will continue to use iPhones and making cheaper phones might increase market share but it won't make Apple more money.

Apple releases a phone every year and most consumers upgrade it every year. So you will always be refinancing to get the new one. This is Apples game plan, get you to upgrade every year. Never ending cycle.
I know they don't and never have cared about market share. Thats why the market and investors are now freaking out because declining iPhone share and sales are at the apex and will fall. Thats why the sock price has tanked and will tank further.
Yes the carrier options are ridiculous!

 

[brendu]

Apple releases a phone every year and most consumers upgrade it every year. So you will always be refinancing to get the new one. This is Apples game plan, get you to upgrade every year. Never ending cycle.
I know they don't and never have cared about market share. Thats why the market and investors are now freaking out because declining iPhone share and sales are at the apex and will fall. Thats why the sock price has tanked and will tank further.
Yes the carrier options are ridiculous!

But you don't have to upgrade every year so if you want to own your phone and be able to resell it that is an option. If slowing smartphone sales are occurring due to market saturation then Apple is just one of many companies dealing with this problem. Apple however is the only company making insane profits on the phones they do sell. Selling fewer phones may mean lower overall profits but lowering the cost of the phone won't help that problem. Increasing market share at the cost of profits won't help Apple with the problem you're describing. It hasn't helped a single other manufacturer.

Edit: also, as a consumer and not a shareholder I couldn't care less if their stock prices drop. I just care that they make the best possible products and don't try to make a cheaper phone at the cost of the best hardware possible.