iPhone 6s Bests Samsung's New Galaxy Note 7 in App Speed Test

[symphara]

Despite your emphatic use of italics on the word "their", two out of three of those fees are not theirs.

Clearly, they are, since they're on their receipt. I didn't add them out of the blue.

And as I explained in the previous post, it makes sense to add all mandatory taxes and fees into the product price, to make it comparable with others.

At the end of the day, the iPad cost me $795.79. Whatever Apple's profit was out of that, I cannot say.

Arbitrarily removing the sales tax - since it doesn't go to Apple - is like arbitrarily removing the price of the screen - since Apple bought it from some other producer. It's a stupid, useless, counter-productive, futile exercise, which doesn't make sense. Much like your posts.

 

[I7guy]

It's not my laundry list of fees - it's a straight copy from Apple's receipt, obtained after my purchase from the Apple Store near Stanford. You could say it's their list of fees.

I think the price you pay for the item, in the shop, is a satisfactory measure for the purpose of comparisons. Just like when I say the S2 8" Tab is ~CHF400, that includes Swiss MwSt.

Like the gas tax is the gas stations fees?

 

[GeneralChang]

Is it really that baffling?

What exactly do you do that is somehow so universal so as to cause you surprise when someone says they can use a mobile OS for work.

Even Timmy C said he can, and iOS is about the most limited mobile OS out there.

Android makes my phone a pocket-PC. iOS is not even close.

Like I said, my professional use case is hardly representative. But I do a lot with powerful open-source tools and the command line, so... yeah. Android is just as far off as iOS for meeting my needs.

As for what baffles me, I just have never seen a job that didn't require some sort of proprietary enterprise tool that only runs on a certain subset of Windows installations or requires Ubuntu for some reason, or other weird PC centric requirements. So I guess I'm saying you're lucky that your employer doesn't require you to deal with that.
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Surfing Facebook isn't considered work. That's consumption which is fine for iOS.

Hey, thanks for that dismissive tone, it really adds to the discussion.

Also, I'm guessing you've never been on a hiring committee. Because surfing Facebook can definitely be considered work in those cases.
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lol how's 6S plus have similar resolution as s7? it's 1920x1080 vs 2560x1440.. which is almost twice as much.

Okay, it's actually about 40% as much, which is quite a lot lower than "twice."

 

[symphara]

Like the gas tax is the gas stations fees?

Oh, I apologise for confusing you. It's truly complicated stuff.

 

[gaximus]

Yes but who opens 20 apps in 1 minute as fast as they can?

Its a test to see how fast one can open, they just run the test on multiple apps during the same test. They could have done a test with each app at a time. This is just a more efficient test. This test just shows that the iPhone 6 can open apps faster. Which is a valid test that a normal user would find informative.

 

[melendezest]

My questions is what exactly do you do that you couldn't use iOS for work? I, along with hundreds of millions of people, use my iPhone for work daily without any issues; I've yet to encounter a situation for which it hasn't been a very competent "pocket pc".

I manage application, backend and web servers around the world using a combination of SSH clients logging into RHEL, Oracle WebLogic and other custom applications, requiring the use of full websites, real multitasking, VPNs, setting default applications, etc.

This has been discussed at length in other posts in this thread how the limitations of iOS affect certain things.
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Like I said, my professional use case is hardly representative. But I do a lot with powerful open-source tools and the command line, so... yeah. Android is just as far off as iOS for meeting my needs.

As for what baffles me, I just have never seen a job that didn't require some sort of proprietary enterprise tool that only runs on a certain subset of Windows installations or requires Ubuntu for some reason, or other weird PC centric requirements. So I guess I'm saying you're lucky that your employer doesn't require you to deal with that.

I'd say Android is still not sufficient for you, but it is further ahead than iOS is.

And just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean that I'm either lucky or in the minority for whatever situation. Your surprise seems to come from hubris.

The truth is, none of us know everything and making blanket statements can get us in trouble.

Which is why I said repeatedly that I can't use iOS for work, but I can do everything I need to with Android (although again, not as effectively as I could with a PC/Mac).

You can either accept it or call me a liar. Either way it matters not.

 

[I7guy]

Oh, I apologise for confusing you. It's truly complicated stuff.

It's kind of tough to explain properly in the first place. Right?

 

[melendezest]

If the look of your user interface is truly your greatest priority in a smartphone, then I can understand why you would choose Android.

The fact that you chose to ignore the other 8 reasons I submitted and focused on just that one helps me understand why you replied to my post.

 

[Zaft]

I manage application, backend and web servers around the world using a combination of SSH clients logging into RHEL, Oracle WebLogic and other custom applications, requiring the use of full websites, real multitasking, VPNs, setting default applications, etc.

This has been discussed at length in other posts in this thread how the limitations of iOS affect certain things.
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I'd say Android is still not sufficient for you, but it is further ahead than iOS is.

And just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean that I'm either lucky or in the minority for whatever situation. Your surprise seems to come from hubris.

The truth is, none of us know everything and making blanket statements can get us in trouble.

Which is why I said repeatedly that I can't use iOS for work, but I can do everything I need to with Android (although again, not as effectively as I could with a PC/Mac).

You can either accept it or call me a liar. Either way it matters not.

Yes most folks dont do that, IOS is for the masses.

 

[melendezest]

Yes most folks dont do that, IOS is for the masses.

I thought I made that painfully clear already.

But I do understand it's hard to hear over all the Apple cheerleading...

 

[slash7844]

Like I said, my professional use case is hardly representative. But I do a lot with powerful open-source tools and the command line, so... yeah. Android is just as far off as iOS for meeting my needs.

As for what baffles me, I just have never seen a job that didn't require some sort of proprietary enterprise tool that only runs on a certain subset of Windows installations or requires Ubuntu for some reason, or other weird PC centric requirements. So I guess I'm saying you're lucky that your employer doesn't require you to deal with that.
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Hey, thanks for that dismissive tone, it really adds to the discussion.

Also, I'm guessing you've never been on a hiring committee. Because surfing Facebook can definitely be considered work in those cases.
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Okay, it's actually about 40% as much, which is quite a lot lower than "twice."

2560x1440=3,686,400 pixels.
1920x1080=2,073,600 pixels. that's about 1.8 times.

 

[symphara]

It's kind of tough to explain properly in the first place. Right?

Yes, I can imagine that an invoice is something tough to explain to the typical Apple customer. As I said before, my bad - I keep forgetting the level of the audience.

 

[The Game 161]

Its a test to see how fast one can open, they just run the test on multiple apps during the same test. They could have done a test with each app at a time. This is just a more efficient test. This test just shows that the iPhone 6 can open apps faster. Which is a valid test that a normal user would find informative.

believe it also shows games load faster and don't refresh when you go back into them. Which would be frustrating for gamers

 

[MrXiro]

Also it looks good, has waterproofing, wireless charging, an iris scanner and so on.

And unless you're comparing the two phones next to each other at the same time for the same purpose, you wouldn't notice that big a difference.

Waterproof is nice but the 6S/plus is practically waterproof at this point, Wireless charging is a meh product and iris scanner is a gimmick, but yeah overall the Note 7 is a very compelling product and if it wasn't for literally iMessage I would consider jumping over. But until that day happens I'm sticking to iPhone.

 

[igorsky]

The truth is, none of us know everything and making blanket statements can get us in trouble.

Android makes my phone a pocket-PC. iOS is not even close.

I'd say Android is still not sufficient for you, but it is further ahead than iOS is.

The contradictions are strong with this one. If iOS is a more than sufficient pocket PC for most, why do you keep insisting that it isn't with blanket statements? You seem to be insisting that your use case is the biggest example of its deficiencies when your use case is in the minority. I don't pretend to understand most of the stuff you mentioned that you do for work, but if you can do all of that with your smartphone then kudos to you.

 

[melendezest]

The contradictions are strong with this one. If iOS is a more than sufficient pocket PC for most, why do you keep insisting that it isn't with blanket statements? You seem to be insisting that your use case is the biggest example of its deficiencies when your use case is in the minority. I don't pretend to understand most of the stuff you mentioned that you do for work, but if you can do all of that with your smartphone then kudos to you.

I did not make any blanket statements.

Reading comprehension is a must, though.

I'll highlight the proper context for you:

"The truth is, none of us know everything and making blanket statements can get us in trouble." (I included myself in it, showing that I am also fallible)

"Android makes my phone a pocket-PC. iOS is not even close." (Should be self-explanatory here)

I'd say Android is still not sufficient for you, but it is further ahead than iOS is. (within the context of conversation: what you can and can't do with Android or iOS)

Whether or not my use case is in the minority is not really a verifiable fact is it? The truth is that more people choose to use Android over iOS. I wonder why.

Still, I proceeded to frame my arguments based on my perspective and use case as a counterpoint to the (specific) limitations in iOS that Android does not have.

It seems like several of you are so bent on defending Apple that you don't take the time to understand any argument against it.

So let me be as clear and succinct as I can:

Can people use iOS for work? YES.

Do people enjoy using iOS? YES.

Can I use iOS for MY work? NO.

Do I enjoy using iOS? NO.

Can you access the filesystem on iOS? NO.

Can you truly multi-task (i.e. have background apps open indefinitely)? NO.

Can I use a built-in stylus to scribble notes, arrange icons/widgets to my liking, have back and app switcher buttons, customize the look of the OS, have water resistance, have expandable storage with (an) iOS (device)? NO.

Should I give up the ability to do all these things, just to gain force press and pop or whatever and (admittedly groovy) Apple-to-Apple integration (the only thing I can see that iOS "has" that Android doesn't)? HELL NO.

 

[I7guy]

Yes, I can imagine that an invoice is something tough to explain to the typical Apple customer. As I said before, my bad - I keep forgetting the level of the audience.

Yep, vat and tax is definitely an apple fee. Even a typical Samsung customer would get that.

 

[Zaft]

I did not make any blanket statements.

Whether or not my use case is in the minority is not really a verifiable fact is it? The truth is that more people choose to use Android over iOS. I wonder why.

How many companies make android? and how cheap are they sold? Its pretty simple why more people choose android.

Price..

 

[GeneralChang]

I'd say Android is still not sufficient for you, but it is further ahead than iOS is.

And just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean that I'm either lucky or in the minority for whatever situation. Your surprise seems to come from hubris.

The truth is, none of us know everything and making blanket statements can get us in trouble.

Which is why I said repeatedly that I can't use iOS for work, but I can do everything I need to with Android (although again, not as effectively as I could with a PC/Mac).

You can either accept it or call me a liar. Either way it matters not.

This all started when you made a blanket statement that Android is closer to macOS than iOS. I chimed in to combat your blanket statement, because at least in my use case, they sit about the same distance away from being useful to me professionally. Where were my blanket statements, if you don't mind me asking?

I never called you a liar, nor even hinted that what you said wasn't true for your use case. I simply expressed surprise as I haven't yet seen a professional use case like yours. The line about you being lucky; there was a reason I used personal pronouns in that sentence. Did I say all employers required that sort of thing? No. I said I haven't seen or read of any that didn't. Yours is the first.

My point is that for many use cases, android is no closer to being a desktop OS than iOS is in any meaningful way. Had your statement that started this all read "In short, for me the Galaxy series in particular is the closest I've come to having macOS on a mobile device, tablet or otherwise" instead of "In short, for me the Galaxy series in particular is the closest we'll get to having macOS on a mobile device, tablet or otherwise" then there wouldn't have been a blanket statement and this conversation never would have started.

Clarity of meaning and intent. That's all I'm saying.

 

[mi7chy]

Yes most folks dont do that, IOS is for the masses.

iOS has about a 10% marketshare so it's not for the masses compared to Android's nearly 90%. It's like how some people can get by with just a golf cart but most people own a car. I used to use iOS but have outgrown it.

 

[Zaft]

iOS has about a 10% marketshare so it's not for the masses compared to Android's nearly 90%. It's like how some people can get by with just a golf cart but most people own a car.

Masses was the wrong word, I meant to say the average joe, they dont do stuff like that on their phone.

 

[Kaspersky]

iPhone 6S Plus renders at a similar resolution to the S7 so a test against that phone would have been fairer, but in all honesty I don't think it'd make that much difference.

Even in the processor intensive tasks where screen res will make little difference, such as the Lapse It program in that video, iPhone is still miles faster.

It's like running a game on ultra, 4k, or in 720p, low resolution.
Galaxy S7 resolution: 1440 x 2560 pixels (~534 ppi pixel density)
iPhone 6s Plus resolution :1334x750 (326 ppi, minus one row of pixels)
So yeah, it does a lot a difference.

 

[The Game 161]

iOS has about a 10% marketshare so it's not for the masses compared to Android's nearly 90%. It's like how some people can get by with just a golf cart but most people own a car. I used to use iOS but have outgrown it.

It's not a surprise with so many cheap android devices around. There are some even high end flagships who are cheap and worth the price.

 

[melendezest]

How many companies make android? and how cheap are they sold? Its pretty simple why more people choose android.

Price..

Well again, I cannot speak for everybody, but when I was presented with the opportunity to choose my device at work (iPhone or Galaxy), I chose a Note5 (would've been a Note7 but it was not available yet).

So much for your theory.

 

[Kaspersky]

I didn't check the video before answer this topic, I just read and put it out the facts. You can't compare a gameplay of two different plata

However, a subsequent test was also carried out with the Note 7 resolution set to 720p and it still was out performed speed wise. I think Samsung's poor optimisation of the SD820 is more to blame than anything else to be frank. But there is certainly a measure of mountains being made out of molehills on the forum.

The Note 7 may be slower at loading apps (fractionally) but it can do many things that the iPhone simply can not, such as multi-window, pen input, themes, etc.... Whether the extra features found on the note 7 are worth more than the difference in loading speeds is subjective, but either way if you were in the market for a phone with stylus - there isn't much better than the Note 7. But folks will continue to bicker around this regardless.

I didn't check the other video, but I checked that one here... That's not how you run a test, there's a lot of edition there, for me, it is just a click bait. I just wanna say a tha I not a Samsung advocate or Apple hater, I do not own any of the two devices and I wouldn't buy any of those, I do not like the "edge" thing on note 7 and the bezels and low resolution on 6s plus keeps me away from it. I'm just point the facts, that test doesn't look impartial, the methodology is at least questionable.