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iPhone 6s Bests Samsung's New Galaxy Note 7 in App Speed Test

symphara said:
I am fascinated by how well Apple manages to sell overpriced mediocrity to people. Don't get me wrong, they sold me some, too. But most buyers are so ignorant, and never realise they're duped, it's a wonder being among them.

I don't know if you know - I've been in IT a long time - the previous Apple incarnation also sold overpriced mediocrity. With a different tune though. What now is positioned as fashionable, then was positioned as high-end (and the price differences were higher). The game went up and the company nearly went bust. I am eagerly waiting for the continuation of this saga.
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Why do you people always sound like you have been living in the matrix all this while and have only just woken up?

So let me see if I get your argument.

I don’t like Apple’s products.

I am rational (or at least I like to think that I am)

Apple’s customers like Apple’s products.

Therefore, Apple’s customers must be irrational.

There is a very strong element of cognitive dissonance here. It's fine if you don't want to bother trying to understand Apple and find it easier to just convince yourself that other people are sheep. But if you are going to stop thinking, then maybe it's time you stopped talking too, because then you clearly won't be able to add anything of value to the discussion.
 
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Abazigal said:
So let me see if I get your argument
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You didn't - by a mile - so you just made up something, wrote it, felt better about yourself. Well done, you can pat yourself on the back.

Abazigal said:
It's fine if you don't want to bother trying to understand Apple
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I'm not sure how to approach this. "Understand Apple"? What do you mean by that? Apple products? What the company tries to project? I fully understand all of that, it's not that complicated. It's a vacuous message of overpriced, fashionable mediocrity, mostly appealing to ignorant, superficial people with too much money to waste.
 
symphara said:
You didn't - by a mile - so you just made up something, wrote it, felt better about yourself. Well done, you can pat yourself on the back.


I'm not sure how to approach this. "Understand Apple"? What do you mean by that? Apple products? What the company tries to project? I fully understand all of that, it's not that complicated. It's a vacuous message of overpriced, fashionable mediocrity, mostly appealing to ignorant, superficial people with too much money to waste.
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Thank you for perfectly proving and illustrating my point.
 
And as we see, folks, an extra core doesn't always mean an extra "CORRR!"

Compiled software FTW, every time.
 
symphara said:
I did, and I think that Android is meaningfully closer to a desktop OS. Actually, I think iOS is nowhere close.

Personally I see tablets more as information-consuming rather than producing devices, but if Google ever wanted to make a tablet a productivity tool, they could. I don't think there's money in it though.

Apple cannot, the platform is too rubbish. But certainly, if I was ever in a use-case where people wanted to walk with tablets around, in a business context, I'd choose Android.

iOS is a gimmmicky operating system with huge limitations cause by Apple's profit maximisation strategy and their marketing strategy centered on fastest single-thread experience, shiny mediocre devices and a carefully focus-group researched "rebel"/"special" narrative. At the end of the day, they just sell overpriced mediocrity. In most ways, iOS vs Android is the old Windows vs Linux contest. One of those still has a future.
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Ok, you are entitled to your opinion.
But these mediocre products are much faster for general/normal/non-desktop uses of a smartphone or tablet than their Android counterparts. So mediocre, I think not sir. They have the fastest smartphones and tablets around. Except if you perhaps want to decode to 3 4K videos, whilst playing a game in split screen mode the android could pull that off and iOS not, but in such a slow way, it wouldn't be very practical , you 'd better use your PC for that purpose.
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symphara said:
You didn't - by a mile - so you just made up something, wrote it, felt better about yourself. Well done, you can pat yourself on the back.


I'm not sure how to approach this. "Understand Apple"? What do you mean by that? Apple products? What the company tries to project? I fully understand all of that, it's not that complicated. It's a vacuous message of overpriced, fashionable mediocrity, mostly appealing to ignorant, superficial people with too much money to waste.
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Ok, so get a note 7 then, it has a very practical superficial edged screen. A slower soc and os, and is about as expensive as an iPhone . look at those beautiful edges, small bezels, great! Not superficial at all...

I understand that you are not drinking apple' s Koolaid. But drinking Samsung Koolaid? They are at least just as worse. Their marketing/pr machine has no shame....
 
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I purchased it. Gave it a fair shot for a couple days. It's very laggy. Back to my iPhone and I can't see going back. Overall phone build on it is nice. But they just can't get that OS to compete IMO.
 
symphara said:
I don't think they disagree with me. Most are oblivious to these arguments.

Don't think for a second that the popularity of a product or company means they're the best, or even good. Just like with politicians, the popular vote is not about that, it's usually about a narrative. In this case, Apple managed to create a narrative, but I wonder if they'll manage to keep it going.
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You presume that a mediocre, gimmicky thing can't have a big satisfaction rate. Look, it's shiny! It cost me so much money, it must be the best! Apple says it's the best, and they're so cool, Steve was like this rebel, and everyone who paid this much money thinks it's the best! Awesome, right?

While I am not in possesion of the absolute truth, I think I can tell you're absolutely right there :)
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You are certainly entitled to your subjective opinion of this. Clearly one cannot devine the truth across the 100s of million of users.
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symphara said:
Internet hyperbole, that's a new one. Is it different from normal hyperbole? :)

In any case, yes, you're right. As a long time techie, I am convinced that the iPhone is a mediocre, overpriced product. It's "best" at very few things, and none that really matter. I actually have trouble thinking about what the iPhone is good for - such as finding stuff on the net, doing things from app to app (translation, search, launch within context), voice comprehension, battery life, camera, ease of integration with other products, size, screen tech, ease of contextual response.

It's mediocre or terrible at all of that. It's "best" at starting (most) games. Not surprinsing, given it's single-thread experience. That's about it.

I did look at it, you know. It's not that I don't have one because I cannot afford it. Servicing either of my cars is at least twice the price of a new, unlocked, latest model iPhone. I just think they're overpriced mediocrity. Fashionable, true, but I don't much care about that.
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Well to the bolded, yes. Internet hyperbole is repeated often enough it gets mistaken for a fact. :p

And it's fine you have that opinion, some may agree, some others may not. I don't agree. Actually all of the points you mentioned work for me. As far as the camera I've already posted what I think is the most unbiased review on the net. http://www.greenbot.com/article/306...e-camera-shootout-galaxy-s7-vs-iphone-6s.html very informative, if you take off the rose colored glasses.

For what I need it's the best. I vote with my dollars for "the best". It's my subjective opinion against yours because our use cases are different. Is a mustang better than an F150. Not if you want haul a truckload of stuff, but maybe if you want to go canyon carving in LA. That is the argument you are putting forth, plainly subjective.:):apple:
 
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gnipgnop said:
Arguably, the original iPhone was the original phablet. Nothing had a screen that large at the time, and nobody in the market was focused on providing truly robust apps for phones that were so similar in function to desktop style software.
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This is very untrue. My mom used to carry around basically a touch screen Windows XP computer in 2005 with a much larger screen than the iPhone, and there were many others like it. Like, they focused too much on making the desktop experience... and also made it garbage in general because it's Microsoft.
 
And let me add that performance aside the gorgeous display on The Galaxy Note 7 absolutely wipes the floor with the iPhone 6s.Its like comparing night and day
 
Radon87000 said:
And let me add that performance aside the gorgeous display on The Galaxy Note 7 absolutely wipes the floor with the iPhone 6s.Its like comparing night and day
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Yes, I agree on that. Apple dropped the ball on screen tech. They made a judgement error on that one and are a year behind on where they should be.
 
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ValO said:
Yes, I agree on that. Apple dropped the ball on screen tech. They made a judgement error on that one and are a year behind on where they should be.
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Apple is not a display manufacturer. They need someone to produce them in high enough numbers which is not currently the case.
Samsung is not stupid and will rather use them in their own phone until they can produce enough. Others should be ready "soon".
 
Kaspersky said:
so, it's upscaling, lol.
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Actually it is downscaling. If it rendered at 1920x1080 internally, the 6s+ would be faster than it is now. It would mean Apple could use a 2208x1242 screen now, and it would not slow down at all compared to the 1920x1080 iPhone 6s Plus. The 2208x1242 would be just as fast.
 
I can't believe you guys are still arguing about this and it's devolved in iOS sux no Andoid sux..

The Note lost the speed test plain and simple there is an issue with the phone that hopefully an update can fix if not it's a big miss by Samsung. Apple Ax chips are fast and Qualcom has fallen behind but we all knew that and Touchwiz isn't Android and we all know that.

Apple won this test fair and square no go have a beer and chill :p
 
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I can't believe you guys are still arguing about this and it's devolved in iOS sux no Andoid sux..

The Note lost the speed test plain and simple there is an issue with the phone that hopefully an update can fix if not it's a big miss by Samsung. Apple Ax chips are fast and Qualcom has fallen behind but we all knew that and Touchwiz isn't Android and we all know that.

Apple won this test fair and square no go have a beer and chill :p
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Dude you've been here long enough. If the results had been reversed the thread would have looked the same overall just the individual posters reversed. :D
 
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I7guy said:
That's why there's a thread on the front page of how the 6s is faster lol.
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I suspect this guy rigs the test.Pretty sure if he did a comparison between Note 7 and iPhone 5 he would have the iPhone win.I trust tests which show both phones being tested simultaneously,not at different times.

And EVEN if its faster Android does far far more than iOS.I can have 4 apps running simultaneously at the same time on Note whilst streaming torrents in the background and downloading an app.Try doing that on iPhone
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ValO said:
Yes, I agree on that. Apple dropped the ball on screen tech. They made a judgement error on that one and are a year behind on where they should be.
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By the time they adopt OLED,Samsung will already be on something better.IMO it goes like this,Performance goes to Apple and Display and overall hardware goes to Samsung.
 
Radon87000 said:
I suspect this guy rigs the test.Pretty sure if he did a comparison between Note 7 and iPhone 5 he would have the iPhone win.I trust tests which show both phones being tested simultaneously,not at different times.

And EVEN if its faster Android does far far more than iOS.I can have 4 apps running simultaneously at the same time on Note whilst streaming torrents in the background and downloading an app.Try doing that on iPhone
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By the time they adopt OLED,Samsung will already be on something better.IMO it goes like this,Performance goes to Apple and Display and overall hardware goes to Samsung.
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You can "trust"'whoever you want. Doesn't make a difference to me. Basically another internet way of putting your fingers in your ears not to hear the truth that Apple out designs the competition for their mobile phone lineup.

Try getting a Samsung phone that gets updates and patches for 5 years, fully supported with decent performance and up to date functionality. Overall hardware to Apple screen to Samsung.
 
Does Samsung need to improve? Yes, and they have been improving every year.

Is there lag on the Note 7? Yes, although myself and many other users haven't experienced lag, I'm not going to discredit those that do. It's not a guarantee either way.

Does the OP test affect my usage? Hell No. My Note 7 is plenty fast, does what I want it to do, when I want it to do so, without any issues.
 
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LIVEFRMNYC said:
Does Samsung need to improve? Yes, and they have been improving every year.

Is there lag on the Note 7? Yes, although myself and many other users haven't experienced lag, I'm not going to discredit those that do. It's not a guarantee either way.

Does the OP test affect my usage? Hell No. My Note 7 is plenty fast, does what I want it to do, when I want it to do so, without any issues.
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That's exactly the way I feel about my phone.
 
r3m1 said:
My wife has been using a Note 4 since launch date, no lag, looks pristine, runs smooth - she doesn't want to part with it even with the newer models being out - her previous phone was an iPhone 5 - but screen size and flexibility made her switch to the Note 4

So different experiences for different people.
[doublepost=1471926912][/doublepost]It is amazing that a tricked head to head test between a Note 7 and iPhone 6s can instill so much hope in the Apple believers; the most meaningless tests are exactly those that launch apps; differences in architecture, OS, app coding, etc will introduce too many variables to get any kind of comparable result.
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Forget to mention that I consider myself a "power user" which means I install a lot of apps. But the truth is it lags. If you only use it for text, call, Facebook, email and other basic stuff then yes, it will run smoothly. But this is not what the Note is for. The Note 4 is a high end phone. It should be handle all kinds of usage.

And also what you mentioned in the 2nd part is exactly the problem with Android (TouchWiz specifically). iOS is more polished and optimized. It lacks some features that Android has but it's improving. What's the point of having killer specs while the OS is inferior?
 
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