Nope. You're confused. I can tell you're the typical Apple customerYep, vat and tax is definitely an apple fee. Even a typical Samsung customer would get that.
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I have made my statements as clear as I can, but you're still not getting it. I don't know what to say after this.
First off, I didn't say you called me a liar. I presented a future choice for you to make.
Secondly, I also asked why you're surprised at a job that I cannot use iOS for, when it is highly unlikely you've been exposed to the details of EVERY JOB ON EARTH. Thus, your surprise, when used the way you used it, smacked of disbelief. At this point, I honestly don't care whether or not it actually did.
Thirdly, I also clarified my position on "Android being closer to macOS than iOS" with specifics.
But this is an issue of fact, not opinion:
You cannot access the filesystem on iOS.
You cannot customize the interface or the arrangement of icons in iOS.
You cannot truly multitask on iOS.
You can on Android.
These are fundamental, factual things that makes Android closer to macOS (as in, a real PC operating system) than iOS is. Those are three things that every PC on the planet can do.
Thus, Android is more of a pocket PC.
It's simple, verifiable math.
Yup. Much, much better value for money. Why would we buy overpriced mediocrity?
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User-accessible file system. That's meaningful to anyone but the clueless.
I wouldn't disagree with you though if you framed it in a smartphone context. In the general context, I don't think you're right.
Okay, I think I see where what you want to say and what I want to say are diverging. It's over my initial response that android and iOS don't approach a desktop OS in a meaningful way. Let me clarify what I mean there.
In every professional use case I have been exposed to, there are several things that are required in computer use. 1) the software tools required to do the job (or some sort of equivalent), 2) the data inputs required to do the job. And in every case that I'm familiar with, neither iOS or Android can fill those needs. They are both equally incapable to doing the job.
So that's what I mean when I say they don't approach a desktop OS in a meaningful way, or in other words in the ways that matter. The fact that I can do the things you listed doesn't make it any more able to do that job than the fact that I can use force-touch shortcuts on iOS. Because of those limitations, they only show utility in a mobile OS space.
I understand what you mean. On a features spec sheet, Android is closer to feature parity with a desktop OS than iOS. I see your point. But mine is that the features that separate they two don't have a meaningful impact on their utility or power in the professional use cases I'm familiar with, and I hope you can understand that as well.
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Give my last reply to melendezest a read, I clarified how I intended the word "meaningful" there.
I did, and I think that Android is meaningfully closer to a desktop OS. Actually, I think iOS is nowhere close.
Personally I see tablets more as information-consuming rather than producing devices, but if Google ever wanted to make a tablet a productivity tool, they could. I don't think there's money in it though.
Apple cannot, the platform is too rubbish. But certainly, if I was ever in a use-case where people wanted to walk with tablets around, in a business context, I'd choose Android.
iOS is a gimmmicky operating system with huge limitations cause by Apple's profit maximisation strategy and their marketing strategy centered on fastest single-thread experience, shiny mediocre devices and a carefully focus-group researched "rebel"/"special" narrative. At the end of the day, they just sell overpriced mediocrity. In most ways, iOS vs Android is the old Windows vs Linux contest. One of those still has a future.
So if this is the case why are you here? Go to an android forum and talk about android
I am fascinated by how well Apple manages to sell overpriced mediocrity to people. Don't get me wrong, they sold me some, too. But most buyers are so ignorant, and never realise they're duped, it's a wonder being among them.
I don't know if you know - I've been in IT a long time - the previous Apple incarnation also sold overpriced mediocrity. With a different tune though. What now is positioned as fashionable, then was positioned as high-end (and the price differences were higher). The game went up and the company nearly went bust. I am eagerly waiting for the continuation of this saga.
Seems like a typical Apple customer wrote the original post?Nope. You're confused. I can tell you're the typical Apple customer
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That's your opinion and your entitled to it. But clearly there are hundreds of millions of people who disagree with you via their pocketbook.
Open source and command line is definition of Linux and what do you think Android is based on? Yes, Linux. You haven't looked far if you think Android is as limited as iOS. With Termux app and API add-on you can control all aspects of the phone such as text-to-speech, camera, GPS, SMS, etc. from command line along with the ability to install Linux packages, bash and zsh shells, gcc/g++ compilers, python, ruby, git, etc.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux
Um... wow. That strayed rather far from the thread of my point, although I think I get the sense that you both disagree and agree with me. And based on the context of that last paragraph, I'm not sure whether you're saying Windows or Linux has a future. There's a lot of different interpretations to unpack in this comment. If you don't want to clarify, that's fine.
Well, I like the use of personal pronouns, because it at least indicates you recognize all this as your opinion. And I agree with most of what you said, aside from thinking that Android is a short hop away from being a desktop OS, because as I said, in the ways that mean something in the professional cases I'm familiar with they're both equally inadequite. But I mean, in all honesty, we have a desktop OS version of Android, it's called... well, Linux, actually.
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Interesting. I'm pretty sure there's no port of Diffmk for ARM, so android devices are still completely DOA for my use. But I assume there's an x86 port of Android somewhere. How does it compare with some of the more popular distros as far as functionality and support?
Mediocrity and Gimmicky are rather strong words for an os that has a pretty big satisfaction rate.
They are also your opinion.
I don't think they disagree with me. Most are oblivious to these arguments.
Don't think for a second that the popularity of a product or company means they're the best, or even good. Just like with politicians, the popular vote is not about that, it's usually about a narrative. In this case, Apple managed to create a narrative, but I wonder if they'll manage to keep it going.
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You presume that a mediocre, gimmicky thing can't have a big satisfaction rate. Look, it's shiny! It cost me so much money, it must be the best! Apple says it's the best, and they're so cool, Steve was like this rebel, and everyone who paid this much money thinks it's the best! Awesome, right?
While I am not in possesion of the absolute truth, I think I can tell you're absolutely right there
Oh, boo-hoo.
I am here because:
1. It's fun for me
2. It's informational (I learn things here)
3. I'm a 15+ year Mac user (this is MacRumors)
4. I've owned 2 iPhones and 2 iPads
5. I'm always in the market for something better than any competition, even from Apple (gasp!)
6. Someone needs to tell people that the Emperor is naked, and I enjoy doing so.
7. Without coming here I would've never found out that Android is actually a viable alternative to iOS, even in an all-Apple environment like my home used to be, so I like returning the favor.
Termux comes with the standard diff, diff3 and sdiff. diffmk exists for OpenSUSE ARM so you can either port it or try Gnuroot to get a distribution installed that's binary compatible.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=champion.gnuroot
Do you have anyway to prove:I don't think they disagree with me. Most are oblivious to these arguments.
Don't think for a second that the popularity of a product or company means they're the best, or even good. Just like with politicians, the popular vote is not about that, it's usually about a narrative. In this case, Apple managed to create a narrative, but I wonder if they'll manage to keep it going.
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You presume that a mediocre, gimmicky thing can't have a big satisfaction rate. Look, it's shiny! It cost me so much money, it must be the best! Apple says it's the best, and they're so cool, Steve was like this rebel, and everyone who paid this much money thinks it's the best! Awesome, right?
While I am not in possesion of the absolute truth, I think I can tell you're absolutely right there
"I don't think they disagree with me. Most are oblivious to these arguments." it's basic Internet hyperbole meant to bolster your position. And who defines best? I bought what was best for me and I think iPhones are the best mobile products. Completely subjective. In any event you've convinced yourself you have the answer, carry on my good man.
Internet hyperbole, that's a new one. Is it different from normal hyperbole?
In any case, yes, you're right. As a long time techie, I am convinced that the iPhone is a mediocre, overpriced product. It's "best" at very few things, and none that really matter. I actually have trouble thinking about what the iPhone is good for - such as finding stuff on the net, doing things from app to app (translation, search, launch within context), voice comprehension, battery life, camera, ease of integration with other products, size, screen tech, ease of contextual response.
It's mediocre or terrible at all of that. It's "best" at starting (most) games. Not surprinsing, given it's single-thread experience. That's about it.
I did look at it, you know. It's not that I don't have one because I cannot afford it. Servicing either of my cars is at least twice the price of a new, unlocked, latest model iPhone. I just think they're overpriced mediocrity. Fashionable, true, but I don't much care about that.
Ah, we're straying into the realm of "stuff my employer will absolutely not pay me the time it takes to set up," and I'm sure not doing it in my spare time. So I'm still going to say that's a deal breaker.
His answer was to the point, yours fluffs the issue.
Then I clicked on the website you advertise, and I was unpleasantly surprised to find it based around a mockery of the declaration of independence. You know, that has actual philosophical heft. The misconception that all platforms are equal has none, unless you mean to prove the absurdity that DOS 3.1 running on a 6MHZ 286 can accomplish as much, as a platform, as ESXI 6.0 running on an Opteron 4386.
I didn't mean it as a disparagement of the devices capabilities. You pointed out a route I hadn't explored, and then pointed out why I hadn't explored it. My response was actually a comment describing my own laziness, as you say. I'm sure you agree that how efficiently a task can be performed on one device versus another affects how we choose the devices we use. Besides, the real limiting factor is the inability to run a stable Windows emulation environment.
But thanks for the info. When I inevitably start noodling around on my Galaxy Tab again, I might give some of this a go, if for no other reason than curiosity.
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Oh for the love. It's a video game website, and it literally says "we figure that there's always going to be something worthwhile wherever you choose to play your games." Do all platforms play the same games? Of course not. Can I have as much fun playing games on a DOS 3.1 system from 1993 as I can on any modern system? Absolutely. How is the suggestion that "whatever platform you choose to play your games on has as much worth as any other" a mockery of the declaration of independence? If anything, it's completely in keeping with the spirit of the document as applied to video games.
It's also completely unrelated to anything I've said. So you're just here to argue, then? M'kay.
The declaration of independence talks about the moral worth of people, and their fundamental relationship to the political (and implicitly violent) authority, not about how much fun they have while playing games.
Honestly, I feel embarrassed for your vacuity.
Calm down fella they are not that different. But yes go ahead and continue your rant that has no bearing on anything.Internet hyperbole, that's a new one. Is it different from normal hyperbole?
In any case, yes, you're right. As a long time techie, I am convinced that the iPhone is a mediocre, overpriced product. It's "best" at very few things, and none that really matter. I actually have trouble thinking about what the iPhone is good for - such as finding stuff on the net, doing things from app to app (translation, search, launch within context), voice comprehension, battery life, camera, ease of integration with other products, size, screen tech, ease of contextual response.
It's mediocre or terrible at all of that. It's "best" at starting (most) games. Not surprinsing, given it's single-thread experience. That's about it.
I did look at it, you know. It's not that I don't have one because I cannot afford it. Servicing either of my cars is at least twice the price of a new, unlocked, latest model iPhone. I just think they're overpriced mediocrity. Fashionable, true, but I don't much care about that.
Thank you, your patronising and otherwise empty post has contributed a lot to this thread. Keep up the good work.
ITT: Android is better because [nerdy **** that ~1% of the population even knows about, let alone uses on a phone]
k... not a great argument
k... not a great argument