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The question is, what happens when iOS runs out of available free RAM? (maybe someone can tell you better, since i'm not versed in iOS's memory handling). But traditional desktop OS's (OSx, Windows and *nix), once physical RAM is saturated, will start to swap portions of itself to some form of physical storage.

iOS starts killing apps, starting from least recent. Prior to multitasking, your 3rd party app was always killed, so there was APIs giving apps a chance to save state before that happened. Those are still used, in the case that iOS needs the RAM for the current app.

While you are right that removing these apps does incur a penalty, in the past it has been the case that the penalty was somewhat cheap. State was saved out, so an app that doesn't have a long boot time, can boot straight to where you were and let you continue from where you were.

I'll add that Widgets are not immune to this as well. iOS will happily flush those out from RAM if it needs the memory for something else, since they are intentionally lightweight and are expected to refresh when displayed.

The real problem going forward is that apps are getting more complicated, take longer to launch when they aren't already memory resident, and that definitely has an impact on perceived performance. But when an app launches during the springboard animation, and can restore state as well? You may not even notice. It isn't cut and dry that an app MUST be resident in RAM for performance to be acceptable. Perception doesn't work that way. But if the user has to wait for the animation, wait for the app to finish booting, then wait for it to refresh data, etc... before they can even do something, that sucks.

Safari is probably one of the most aggravating apps on iOS at the moment because of the reasons other people state: they lose what they were doing. Safari doesn't even try to store state on text input fields, it just throws it away. Even if it has what it needs cached, the user is forced to wait through a reload to interact with the page. And that is for correctness reasons I presume, since it could be the front page of a news blog, for example.
 
Funny though how a lot of "our" opinions shift right with what Apple is offering now or is likely to be offering soon. I have seen passionate arguments about 1GB being plenty. Since that is what Apple offers right now, you can look through this thread and see people still arguing that. And since this rumor implies Apple is going to 2GB, you can see other people arguing how great that will be.

At one point, "we" argued 3.5" was a perfect screen size and all the other, larger-screens were "abominations", "stupid", "need special pants with bigger pockets", "man purses" and "fragmentation". Then, Apple went to 4" and a changed aspect ratio which introduced fragmentation and it was "shut up and take my money" and all other sizes were "abominations" , "stupid" and "99% don't want a phablet", etc. Then, Apple went bigger and again, "shut up and take my money", "best iPhone ever", etc. Where does all that passion against whatever Apple doesn't offer now go when Apple does roll out their incarnation of it? And where are those special pants with bigger pockets and man purses?

NFC was a "joke", a "gimmick", "why would anyone ever want to" and so on before Apple implemented it. Then, it was "I'm boycotting stores that won't accept Apple Pay" and a flurry of demands that other stores and banks get on board or risk losing "my" business. So was it really a joke or only a joke until Apple would incorporate it?

720p was "good enough" when :apple:TV 2 was the current model (even when pretty much everything else had long since gone 1080p). "1080p is a gimmick", "until everyone everywhere has the bandwidth", "the chart", and so on was slung to no end against those who longed for a 1080p :apple:TV. Then, Apple rolled out a 1080p version and all those passionate pro-720p arguments just evaporated.

Retina was "must have" on an iPad but not necessary for the iPad Mini (first generation) when that was the way Apple chose to roll both out. A 9.7" screen had to be retina but a 7.9" screen did not need it. "We" argued passionately for retina and against retina at the same time as it fit the split as Apple offered both. Then, when mini 2 rolled out with retina, all that had argued how a 7.9" screen didn't need retina vanished... or "evolved with the times".

An iSight camera in gen 1 iPad made absolutely no sense and those who wanted it were "stupid" and "trolls": "why would anyone want to look up my nose while I video chat?", "you would get dizzy from the instability" and on and on. Then Apple rolls out iPad 2 keying around FaceTime and it was "shut up and take my money", "can't wait to FaceTime", etc.

How "we" rationalize all that flip flopping is one of two ways: either we 1) ignore it as if "we" never argued against whatever change Apple just made or we 2) try to spin some variation of "evolving with the changing times." #2 has some merit but it's funny how "our" views will tend to evolve right along with exactly whatever Apple decides they want to push now or soon. It would seem that someone who could make a passionate argument about 1GB being plenty, or "720p is good enough" or 3.5" or 4" is "perfect" would continue to feel that way even if Apple switched to something they've previously bashed to no end. But we don't. Instead, "we" will magically evolve right in line with exactly what Apple chooses to offer now or likely soon.

It's "stupid" while Apple doesn't offer it but then it's "shut up and take my money" when they do. One might argue that Apple is simply amazing at delivering exactly what "we" want right when our wants "evolve with the times" but others might argue the many variants of iSheep... that Apple could roll out iPoop and it would be "shut up and take my money" and "I'm already in line" and "best poop ever".

Step back to barely a year before NFC or when the first rumors of bigger-screen iPhones hit and you'll see tremendous bashing of both with plenty of "go buy Android, troll" for those who dared to express desire for what would soon come. Then the rumors pile up and "we" start to believe Apple really is going to change into the "abominations" and our view tends to become "wait and see" or "can't wait". Then Apple announces and it's "Shut up and take my money" and "best <innovation> ever"... even over the course of as little as 1 year. Amazing how Apple knows what we will want right when we'll want it... or iSheep who will want whatever Apple decides to roll out.

Myself? 1GB has long been too little for iDevices. Except for the money made by key strategic partners on burning data with lots of reloading, it's in the realm of ridiculous to have a 64bit multitasking OS for a couple of years constrained by only 1GB. Glad to see that Apple might be finally stepping this up. I wonder if all those who have passionately argued how 1GB is plenty, "lazy programmers", "battery burn" and so on will still be arguing those things against Apple when Apple rolls out a 2GB iPhone? (rhetorical- see many examples above)

Cool post! Can you quote one or two members who have posted both "this is ****" before Apple had that feature and then "this is great" once Apple adopted it? That definitely would give your post some kind of credibility.

(hint: quit viewing the forum as one "collective" - the whole "us", "we", "our" is a pathetic and low class attempt at trying to discredit this imaginary "collective". Why is it that people like you and AppleScruff have such a hard time with the nature of a forum being assembled from a wide range of members with all sorts of different opinions? Picking out the extremes is easy (and very lazy and sad). I could quote a ton of posts from every day to support a theory of this forum really just being full of "haters")
 
Cool post! Can you quote one or two members who have posted both "this is ****" before Apple had that feature and then "this is great" once Apple adopted it? That definitely would give your post some kind of credibility.

(hint: quit viewing the forum as one "collective" - the whole "us", "we", "our" is a pathetic and low class attempt at trying to discredit this imaginary "collective". Why is it that people like you and AppleScruff have such a hard time with the nature of a forum being assembled from a wide range of members with all sorts of different opinions? Picking out the extremes is easy (and very lazy and sad). I could quote a ton of posts from every day to support a theory of this forum really just being full of "haters")

Why is it that you don't see it? See how that works?
 
There was a time when 500 mb or even half of that was enough. My iPhone with 1gb of RAM has performed far better then other devices I have used with at least twice as much RAM. This increased RAM would be for future devices and iOS. And yes, for many who are not into spec craze, currently 1GB of RAM is enough.

No, what bothers me is that Apple is using 64 bit processors, and what is supposed to be a 64 bit operating system but because of lack of memory (one factor) it is a single tasking OS. Truly maddening to anyone that runs multiple applications at the same time as a matter of course. I am totally unable to perform background tasks that I was able to do with early 32 bit Windows, such as downloading a movie or synching iTunes while reading a book. I have to launch the download and dedicate the device to that app until complete. If I leave the page it stops the download until I return, and sometimes aborts it altogether. Maddening.
 
If the "killer feature" is going to be 2gb of RAM, why not just buy a high-end Android with 3gb?

Samsung is bringing some really capable camera on the S6, which in preliminary reviews seems to better the iPhone 6 -- better lens, OIS and better WB. Apple needs to come up with a bit more than this....

I thought they sort of did with the new photo campaign. :D

I've owned an S2 and S4 and both take pretty bad photos and take forever to focus in low light conditions compared to the iPhone. I can't wait to see if Samsung finally remedied this with the S6.
 
No, what bothers me is that Apple is using 64 bit processors, and what is supposed to be a 64 bit operating system but because of lack of memory (one factor) it is a single tasking OS. Truly maddening to anyone that runs multiple applications at the same time as a matter of course. I am totally unable to perform background tasks that I was able to do with early 32 bit Windows, such as downloading a movie or synching iTunes while reading a book. I have to launch the download and dedicate the device to that app until complete. If I leave the page it stops the download until I return, and sometimes aborts it altogether. Maddening.

Brother, if something such as this is maddening to you, may I recommend going outside for a walk? Calm down. I use my phone a lot, and I have never been frustrated by the modest 1gb of ram. I get that there are heavy users, but come on, is a millisecond to wait for a page to load killing your day? Again try taking a walk outside.
 
Why is it that you don't see it? See how that works?

Or in other words: you still weren't able to find a "flip flopper" to support your antisocial painting of almost the entire Macrumors forum as a herd of "iSheep" that you only visit to celebrate your superiority? Thanks.
 
I don't believe anyone ever said that 1 GB was enough. What they said was that Apple wasn't including so little to be cheap but for other reasons such as battery life and that the tradeoff may well be worth it.

I'll say 1GB was enough for me at least. I've never had my iPhone run out of RAM, including my iPhone 4. What are people doing to use it up?
 
Or in other words: you still weren't able to find a "flip flopper" to support your antisocial painting of almost the entire Macrumors forum as a herd of "iSheep" that you only visit to celebrate your superiority? Thanks.


Different users, different opinions. Everyone doesn't agree with you. Isn't that what you keep telling me? :eek:
 
I'll say 1GB was enough for me at least. I've never had my iPhone run out of RAM, including my iPhone 4. What are people doing to use it up?
I can't believe a programmer even asking that question. I have never met a programmer that thinks any amount of memory was enough.
 
Different users, different opinions. Everyone doesn't agree with you. Isn't that what you keep telling me? :eek:

So that pretty much means: It must be really frustrating for you or HobeSoundDarryl to not be able to come up with one single "flip-flopper" to support your theory of people here just changing their mind as soon as Apple changes screen sizes etc.
 
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1GB wasn't enough on the iPad Air running iOS 7 when it was released. Apple takes its sweet time to add more RAM. The original iPad had 256MB and it was slow.

I've never had issues with the iPad Air running iOS 7 or 8. As to why Apple may be increasing the amount of RAM in the iPhone 6S, my guess it is to support greater RAM requirements in their planned future OS upgrades. This isn't anything to be mock-surprised about. Over time, Apple has increased the RAM in their devices. This also isn't Apple admitting that they need more RAM in the iPhone 6S so that it can run iOS 7. That argument is irrelevant to the iPhone 6S. When they release the 6S, it will be sized to run iOS 9 and later.
 
So that pretty much means: It must be really frustrating for you or HobeSoundDarryl to not be able to come up with one single "flip-flopper" to support your theory of people here just changing their mind as soon as Apple changes screen sizes etc.

Obviously he and I aren't the frustrated ones. :)
 
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I have never owned an Android phone and could probably be considered somewhat of an Apple fanboy.

Let us be clear on one point: 1 GB of ram for a smartphone in today's mobile computing environment is not enough. It is not even close to enough. No amount of optimization by Apple can get around the fact that today's complex and robust applications need an ever increasing amount of RAM.

Apple did a great job of pushing mobile apps to the masses, but they have not built a platform that is capable of executing these apps in a seamless way.

I own an iPhone 6 and when I switch between apps, which I do frequently, I expect that the save state of the previous app will be lost EVERY SINGLE TIME, because that's usually what happens.

This is unacceptable. If they had an iPhone 6++ released last October that had 4GB of ram in it I would have paid $1-200 extra for it. The phone feels crippled as it is right now.

If this rumor is true (and I suspect that it is) I will likely upgrade again. So I guess Apple wins. But I'm not happy about it.
Yeah, my first reaction to this article was "welcome to 2012".

I wouldn't switch to Android willfully based on pointless spec sheets, but it's obvious to anyone using an iOS device that no amount of optimization can hide the fact that our "premium" devices compare negatively to bargain bin Androids in some very basic areas.
 
I love it. Apple comes out with phabllet and times changes. Apple increases ram,time changes again.
Why are you saying that times change because of what Apple does?

Apple influences the world, and the world influences Apple. Google and Samsung influence the world, and the world influences them. I influence the world (a tiny amount) and the world influences me. Apple, Google, Samsung and I are part of the world, so we influence each other (again with the size of my influence as an individual being infinitesimal compared to that Google, Samsung, Apple, and the rest of the world).
 
I've never had issues with the iPad Air running iOS 7 or 8. As to why Apple may be increasing the amount of RAM in the iPhone 6S, my guess it is to support greater RAM requirements in their planned future OS upgrades. This isn't anything to be mock-surprised about. Over time, Apple has increased the RAM in their devices. This also isn't Apple admitting that they need more RAM in the iPhone 6S so that it can run iOS 7. That argument is irrelevant to the iPhone 6S. When they release the 6S, it will be sized to run iOS 9 and later.

You never have tabs reload? I have it happen sometimes with only 2 tabs open.
 
Honestly i don't care about more ram unless there are apps or other actions that can take care of it.

:)I'm hoping that the iPhone 6s has an Siri always on more. Kinda like how it works when the iPhone 6 is plugged in except it would be great if i didn't have to be tethered to have it work.
 
i'm ok with my current sim. i like to switch devices often, and being able to take my sim out of my device and put it into another is quite nice.

but 2 GB of ram is a given. hopefully the 3-core processor also
 
Why do you think they held back on it for the 6 (technology was there and it would have cost like $3)? so they could brag about it in the 6s... I need to go find my prediction post for the iphone 6. You will have "beats" audio inside (kind of like how HP laptops had it) maybe some new headphones, a better camera, tick upgrade processor and better battery.
 
There was a time when 500 mb or even half of that was enough. My iPhone with 1gb of RAM has performed far better then other devices I have used with at least twice as much RAM. This increased RAM would be for future devices and iOS. And yes, for many who are not into spec craze, currently 1GB of RAM is enough.
I don't care about specs, but I disagree that "for many 1GB is enough". Even if you're only using Safari and a couple of other apps, you'll run into the issue of constant page reloading on Safari and losing the save state of the other app(s) almost every single time.
 
Obviously he and I aren't the frustrated ones. :)

Well he wrote a ******** of text to complain about everyone being isheeps and you keep on babbling about "flip floppers" while you obviously are not capable to provide any evidence whatsoever for your pathetic bashing of the macrumors forum members.
 
About time, iPad air 2 is so much better than iPhone 6 plus because of the 2 gigs of ram.
 
Why is this topic STILL a rumor? We should have gotten 2GB of RAM by now. It is 2015 and the iPhone doesn't have real multitasking. IMHO
 
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