Same, this is ******** of the highest order. If Apple refuses my refund I will be contacting my lawyer.
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iPhone 6s Uses Different-Sized A9 Chips From Samsung and TSMC
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Not sure it's worth installing software from an untrusted developer.
How do you know the 14nm one is the better one? Because 14 is smaller than 16?
You have literally no idea which one is "better" - they could very well be indistinguishable within the error bars.
In Samsung's case, some processors had 8 cores and others 4. That's a big difference. So why did they call them both the Galaxy S5? They could have done what Apple did and used Qualcomm for the LTE chipset and their own processor for the CPU. Instead, they cheapened out. Yet I don't recall you calling them out. You seem to hold Apple to an impossible standard.
Or perhaps Samsung couldn't meet demand and Apple sourced panels from LG as well. What's wrong with using multiple suppliers? It isn't as if Apple advertised this as having a specific part made on a specific process. To the contrary, they gave only broad information about the processor, and every indication is that both the TSMC and Samsung designs perform comparably and within the specs that Apple advertised.
I will bet you $5 that the performance variation of the Samsung chip (you do know that they are binned, right?) crosses the performance variation of the TMSC one such that a Monday morning TMSC is better than a Friday afternoon Samsung, and vice versa.
In other words, they're all going to have variable performance profiles that overlap almost perfectly.
Who cares? Just enjoy the phone.
I installed the app, it told me I have TSMC, and then I uninstalled the app immediately, since its unverified.
We don't even know if that app works, which processor performs better, etc.
I doubt the difference will be enough to matter in any shape or form.
Yes- I took a look again - unlikely to be a problem
Apple A9 APL0898 - Iphone 6s (samsung)
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+6s+Teardown/48170
Apple A9 APL1022 - Iphone 6plus (TSMC)
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+6s+Plus+Teardown/48171
Indeed. I'm still waiting on my 6S Plus arriving but if the phone works as it should, I'm not going to bother trying to find out what chip is in it.
Exactly.
Some people on hear appear to live and die by this device, and it will drive them literally insane if they think they have a chip that performs even marginally less.
8 cores don't help if carriers won't sell the device. The Samsung modem didn't support CDMA. I use Apple iPhones instead of Samsung products exactly for the premium quality one expects at a premium price - why on Earth would I waste time thinking or complaining about issues Samsung users have that don't impact me?
Multiple suppliers isn't a problem - selling a product based on a claim of a top-notch screen only to have a significant fraction use a decidedly inferior component is a problem.
I don't expect there to be a huge difference in this instance, but an extra hour of battery life on a 14nm 6S+ compared to the 16nm 6S+ wouldn't be out of the question.
Maybe, assuming all else is equal.
There are other factors that go into the a chip. Apple may have purposefully designed the chips to perform on a very, very similar level...even if it meant on chip didn't live up to its full potential.
I agree on the retina macbook pro, that was ridiculous.
I doubt very seriously it would be an extra hour of actual use. The CPU isn't even the biggest power draw. It might not even be noticeable at all if Samsung is having yield issues with their 14nm technology such that they were unable to supply Apple with enough chips. A higher binned TSMC might well perform better than a lower binned Samsung chip.
1. Smaller node doesn't guarantee lower power consumption.
2. There is no concrete evidence yet to prove there's any difference between Samsung and TSMC other than the die size.
3. You really think Apple never thought about the ramifications way before the 6S was even released? If the slightly bigger TSMC chip performs the same as the Samsung version why they hell would they say no to more chip supply?
2. There is no concrete evidence yet to prove there's any difference between Samsung and TSMC other than the die size.
3. You really think Apple never thought about the ramifications way before the 6S was even released? If the slightly bigger TSMC chip performs the same as the Samsung version why they hell would they say no to more chip supply?
I can't wait to see the testing. Of course it depends on the specific load and some scenarios will have a greater delta than others, but the reduced feature size alone can make a substantial difference. We don't know if it will yet.
Uh... the ratio of chips supplied by Samsung to Apple vs TSMC due to yield most definitely wouldn't impact whether a user's phone dies sooner because he happened to get the chip that consumes more power.
So far Samsung makes up a majority of 6S+ reported and TSMC has most of the 6S, but of course it will take time see if the early numbers hold in the long term: http://demo.hiraku.tw/CPUIdentifier/
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My 6s+ from t-mo --> TSMC... Damn! Will wait until some 6s+ Samsung vs 6s+ TSMC tests come in, but please someone, make it soon. With the decreased battery size, the increased efficiency in the smaller die might make a real difference.
I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for a more efficient version of the same iphone when all told costs about $1K.
I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for a more efficient version of the same iphone when all told costs about $1K.
According to AnandTech, it is actually more difficult to dual-source, since they have to go through the taping process twice.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9665/apples-a9-soc-is-dual-sourced-from-samsung-tsmc
So it's doubtful they did this for cost reasons. More likely they did this for supply reasons, or not to become too dependent on one supplier.
I wonder if all the reviewers will get handpicked Samsung 14nm A9's... Heat, performance, battery life.
It will only make a difference for the ignorant who thinks a smaller chip will be better...brings back the days AMD had a lower clock frequency but 64 bit architecture
The news just surfaced between both apple chips, I have no standing on this
Good thing an app exists to extrapolate the necessary info
There's a good chance you will content with whatever you already have
I haven't read through all 15 pages of this, but all of the apps that I have for looking at system things -- processes, memory usage, etc. -- have come out with updates for iOS9, because you no longer have permission to look at the processes running on your iOS device. I wonder if that has something to do with this. They want you to know less and less.
The business case for why Apple decides to dual source any particular component doesn't impact the results of that decision as reflected in user experience, which is the open question at hand here.