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TSMC ones lag/stutter more.



You know I'm joking, but I've also just ruined some guy's life. As he now thinks that's the reason it's lagging, and has to find out which chip he has, and how to go about exchanging.

I'm really just describing myself if I was in the situation. Which I'm not. Really.
 
Why is this a story? Different processes, different foundries, different sizes. It's be more newsworthy if the were exactly the same size.

Agreed. The difference in geometry means nothing about performance or battery life.
Unless you know exact process parameters, memory efficiency, etc. You know nothing.

This is a non-story unless you are really interested in silicon production.
 
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No it's not amazing it's pathetic. Like I said people need to just enjoy their deviceses and quit looking for problems!
But someone else's iPhone might have one minute more of battery life... and their processor might last 5 more seconds before throttling under extreme usage!

Typical Apple, being all Apple and stuff and not doing exactly what I want... they're doomed and Steve Jobs would never... etc...
 
But someone else's iPhone might have one minute more of battery life... and their processor might last 5 more seconds before throttling under extreme usage!

Typical Apple, being all Apple and stuff and not doing exactly what I want... they're doomed and Steve Jobs would never... etc...

You didn't see that it said:

It is not "yet" clear (yay MR added a word to their favorite beginning of a sentence.)
 
Chips will matter to people, even IF they dont matter that much, to the phone.

Vapers amongst us will know what we just went through with Temperature Control Devices when Sigelei, one of the best vape mods in the industry transferred from their favoured Yihi Chip to an "inhouse" brand. A former Sigelei fan vaper myself I gave Sigelei the benefit of the doubt and ended up with a device that was flawed and then switched to the competition that remained using that Yihi chip and found my favourite vape again. I was one of the ones that believed the chip brand would not matter and that the brand, Sigelei would rule. Not so and numerous iPV devices soon followed. Unfortunately this will matter to consumers if there are known differences. I haven't kept up on iPhone news however, so i cant comment as to which one might be better or if one really is.......but will be reading up on it now as i had planned on buying one tomorrow for my husband. Now i will be holding off at least until I can feel confident its worth the money beyond the first weeks shinyitis excitement.
 
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And I'm sure majority of people, including myself, would like to know they received the version with the Samsung chip...

Any way to check what version you have without doing a teardown?

There 's gotta be an app for this!

Should come with a heart rate monitor for hypochondriacs who didn't know about this difference, but now have
anxiety pangs.

Class action lawsuit coming in 5,4..............
 
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Chips will matter to people, even IF they dont matter that much, to the phone.

Vapers amongst us will know what we just went through with Temperature Control Devices when Sigelei, one of the best vape mods in the industry transferred from their favoured Yihi Chip to an "inhouse" brand. A former Sigelei fan vaper myself I gave Sigelei the benefit of the doubt and ended up with a device that was flawed and then switched to the competition that remained using that Yihi chip and found my favourite vape again. I was one of the ones that believed the chip brand would not matter and that the brand, Sigelei would rule. Not so and numerous iPV devices soon followed. Unfortunately this will matter to consumers if there are known differences. I haven't kept up on iPhone news however, so i cant comment as to which one might be better or if one really is.......but will be reading up on it now as i had planned on buying one tomorrow for my husband. Now i will be holding off at least until I can feel confident its worth the money beyond the first weeks shinyitis excitement.

What did I just read...
 
It was rumored yesterday that AMD will be using TSMCs 16nm fabs instead of Global Foundry's 14nm fabs for their next gen CPUs next year. GFs 14nm should have the same specs as Samsungs 14nm*, so that would suggest that TSMCs 16nm process is quite mature and a suitable alternative to 14nm.

*(Samsung and Global Foundries developed their 14nm technology together, but samsung got their fabs operational much more quickly than GF has been able to).

Actually, GF screwed the pooch in their run in March 2015. QC was unacceptable. Apple went with TSCM. Had nothing to do with being operational. Had to do with not being able to complete a process competently. The only GF Fab that is doing anything correct these days is Singapore. :apple:
 
Seriously? That many people read MacRumors or other tech sites and will be concerned about this? Jeezus people just enjoy your devices and stop looking for problems!

Man you are on here enough to know by now the days of people just enjoying their devices for what they are, well are long over.
 
samsung does 14nm finfet
tsmc does 16nm finfet
...
there's a small likelihood that tsmc chips will run hotter, but whether or not the end user can perceive that is not very likely.

There's also the strong possibility that the normal (statistical) process variation within each vendors process is wider than the difference between the two. Thus, even if the median TSMC chip runs hotter than the median Samsung chip, a large fraction of Samsung's chips could run even hotter than either average.

It will be difficult to test, but after a hard reset and then chilling two phones to the exactly same temperature, one could run successive identical benchmarks on both to see which one throttles the CPU first.
 
TSMC ones lag/stutter more.



You know I'm joking, but I've also just ruined some guy's life. As he now thinks that's the reason it's lagging, and has to find out which chip he has, and how to go about exchanging.

I'm really just describing myself if I was in the situation. Which I'm not. Really.
i laughed out loud
 
Here's my guess, and I would say it's probably pretty qualified.
TSMC chip runs slightly hotter and consumes more power, but it spreads the heat over a slightly larger area, making this impossible to perceive (temp difference is only really inside the chip). Since they are clocked the same, run on the same architecture, and have the same core count etc. the only differences should be that. power consumption and heat generated. At most we'll see a 3-5% performance difference, if the power draw difference means the OS allows the Samsung one to run a little faster in certain scenarios, which I doubt. If anyone disagrees with me, and has valid reason, do write.
 
Apple has regularly sourced parts from multiple manufacturers who each have their own way of doing things.

As long as the parts meet specs and design, there's nothing to worry about.

The problem is if one is worse than the other noticably. We all remember what happened when MBA's were split between LG and Samsung displays and the LG ones were absolutely horrible. Lots of returns for people trying to get the Samsung displays
 
So one will run hotter, slightly, than the other and thus will probably throttle first.(reducing clocks) As a result battery life shouldn't be effected, but I could be wrong.

Apple definitely designed redundancy into their hardware to account for this difference. I wouldn't worry about it.

You are wrong. The hotter a microprocessor gets the more power it uses, and if one gets hotter its doing so because it's wasting more power to begin with. So wasting more power plus more power usage due to heat alone and how it affects the internal resistance of a semi-conductor. Add to that, who's to say it has to throttle?
 
As I dont have the iphone 6 in front of me, how can these be recognized if in a apple or other store carrying the new iPhone?
Assuming the chip make can be accessed through the general options?
And, which is the preferred chip?

T.I.A.
 
Actually, GF screwed the pooch in their run in March 2015. QC was unacceptable. Apple went with TSCM. Had nothing to do with being operational. Had to do with not being able to complete a process competently. The only GF Fab that is doing anything correct these days is Singapore. :apple:

Yes but now it looks like even AMD is jumping ship.
 
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