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iPhone 7 no headphone Jack Petition

trifid said:
I think everyone is forgetting one thing, unlike Apple's lead in the world when introducing USB in the original iMac, Apple is going backwards with lightning as the future of audio/headphones.

This is not change to stand for, this is propietary expensive plug, with severe repercussions across the board. This will lead to a world where manufacturers will have to do different products, lightning headphones, USB-C headphones and 3.5mm headphones.

Apple should have led the world as they have in the past with industry standards such as USB-C, but I guess the new Apple under Tim Cook as is putting higher profit margins as a higher priority than industry standards.
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Nobody is forgetting this argument. You're late to the debate.

For starters, the future of audio/headphones is wireless. Not a wired connector of any kind.

Second, it actually gets easier for headphone makers, they make a different cable for each need a customer has. In fact they don't even have to make the headphone cables, just a common port on the cans. Or even better, the headphone makers don't change a thing, and supplies an adapter as needed, or the customer can buy their own.

The current wireless audio standard is BlueTooth which is not Apple proprietary. Hard to imagine Apple putting higher profit margins using a standard they don't control. And there will be plenty of unlicensed Lightning products, as there are now, which will provide customers an inexpensive way to use Lightning audio, for those who want to be tethered by a wire. And Apple will see no profits from that.

And what if a Lightning licensor produces an outstanding product that doesn't exist now, which charges a bit more to cover the Apple Lightning license fee? Will that not be worth it for all involved?
 
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teknikal90 said:
the thing is the ecosystem rhetoric isn't a rhetoric.
I use imessage and facetime almost everyday to talk to family, all of us live in different cities.

Apple is literally making me choose between my family and my headphone collection + my bluetooth-less car (and the ability to have my friends DJ on road trips!)
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I guarantee there will adapters available to handle all your use cases, without abandoning either your family, your fabulous headphone collection, or your beloved car.
 
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It's funny how everyone is saying "Stop complaining. It's time to ditch the 3.5mm headphone jack." but then will whine and complain when Apple actually does it.
 
d656 said:
It's funny how everyone is saying "Stop complaining. It's time to ditch the 3.5mm headphone jack." but then will whine and complain when Apple actually does it.
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Hardly. That kind of comment makes zero sense. Why would someone "pro" no headphone jack now, all of a sudden get their panties twisted when it happens?
 
trifid said:
I think everyone is forgetting one thing, unlike Apple's lead in the world when introducing USB in the original iMac, Apple is going backwards with lightning as the future of audio/headphones.

This is not change to stand for, this is propietary expensive plug, with severe repercussions across the board. This will lead to a world where manufacturers will have to do different products, lightning headphones, USB-C headphones and 3.5mm headphones.

Apple should have led the world as they have in the past with industry standards such as USB-C, but I guess the new Apple under Tim Cook as is putting higher profit margins as a higher priority than industry standards.
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How do we even know that Apple will remove the headphone jack? If they did in their iPhone then they will need to do so in all their products including the iPod Nano and Touch. This may just be a rumor started by this site.
 
Old tech has to be dropped at some point.... It's always a big change though and people don't like big changes. The 30 pin connector was old and large for what it needed to do, that lead to the lightning connector which upset a lot of people. The same thing is happening with the 3.5 jack (maybe). Bluetooth/wireless is the future and taking up a large amount of internal space for an oversized connector doesn't make design sense any more. Especially when that connector can he combined in the lighting connector through an adapter. Removal of the jack makes perfect sense in terms of engineering and design.
 
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jwolf6589 said:
How do we even know that Apple will remove the headphone jack? If they did in their iPhone then they will need to do so in all their products including the iPod Nano and Touch. This may just be a rumor started by this site.
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It's looking likely, all rumours last year came true.
 
Zackmd1 said:
Old tech has to be dropped at some point.... It's always a big change though and people don't like big changes. The 30 pin connector was old and large for what it needed to do, that lead to the lightning connector which upset a lot of people. The same thing is happening with the 3.5 jack (maybe). Bluetooth/wireless is the future and taking up a large amount of internal space for an oversized connector doesn't make design sense any more. Especially when that connector can he combined in the lighting connector through an adapter. Removal of the jack makes perfect sense in terms of engineering and design.
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Do you know how many AUX ports exist out there? Do you know how many car CD players have aux ports? Stereo systems?
 
jwolf6589 said:
How do we even know that Apple will remove the headphone jack? If they did in their iPhone then they will need to do so in all their products including the iPod Nano and Touch. This may just be a rumor started by this site.
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No they won't. The iPod Nano and Touch will likely be discontinued soon. If they get another update, then I would expect Apple to possibly remove them as well. If this happens, what you will see is Apple adding Lightning ports to all Apple products that don't have them for native compatibility with Lightning headphones. But for larger devices that don't have the same space constraints as the iPhone, there's no reason to remove something a customer may want to use.

jwolf6589 said:
Do you know how many AUX ports exist out there? Do you know how many car CD players have aux ports? Stereo systems?
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What do Aux ports have to do with anything? That's the least of all concerns here since using an adapter with one is necessary by definition -- what is a 3.5mm male to male cable but an adapter?

I can empathize with people who wear headphones, and have to plug them into multiple unrelated devices brought a day, but in order to use an Aux jack, you have to carry around a special cable anyway.
 
jwolf6589 said:
Do you know how many AUX ports exist out there? Do you know how many car CD players have aux ports? Stereo systems?
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And that is why an adapter will be made? I don't see the issue here? Or better yet you can get a bluetooth adapter for those systems with the AUX cord... Again, from an engineering and design standpoint, it does not make sense to keep including a large connector and waste internal space that could be used for battery, speakers, or another logic board component.
 
Good thing this petition was made. Apple will now go ahead and redesign their supply chain, production line, and throw away year(s)' worth of R&D to put in the headphone jack!
 
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Zackmd1 said:
And that is why an adapter will be made? I don't see the issue here? Or better yet you can get a bluetooth adapter for those systems with the AUX cord... Again, from an engineering and design standpoint, it does not make sense to keep including a large connector and waste internal space that could be used for battery, speakers, or another logic board component.
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Battery life is excellent on the iPhone 6! On my iPhone the headphone port is quite small so I do not know what your issue is.
 
Mac 128 said:
No they won't. The iPod Nano and Touch will likely be discontinued soon. If they get another update, then I would expect Apple to possibly remove them as well. If this happens, what you will see is Apple adding Lightning ports to all Apple products that don't have them for native compatibility with Lightning headphones. But for larger devices that don't have the same space constraints as the iPhone, there's no reason to remove something a customer may want to use.



What do Aux ports have to do with anything? That's the least of all concerns here since using an adapter with one is necessary by definition -- what is a 3.5mm male to male cable but an adapter?

I can empathize with people who wear headphones, and have to plug them into multiple unrelated devices brought a day, but in order to use an Aux jack, you have to carry around a special cable anyway.
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Another rumor. The iPod Nano and Touch will be discontinued. Do you know how many use these devices?

My iPod Nano is quite useful for space constraints.
 
jwolf6589 said:
On my iPhone the headphone port is quite small so I do not know what your issue is.
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Open your iPhone, and look at inside component of 3.5mm jack, not just that tiny hole, but whole component housing the hole, & imaging if Apple already set their mind to reduce thinness, again.
 
jwolf6589 said:
Battery life is excellent on the iPhone 6! On my iPhone the headphone port is quite small so I do not know what your issue is.
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I had a 6.... Battery life was terrible. But that is besides the point.

Like others have said, that tiny hole is not the entire thing. The length of that metal connector goes inside the phone and around that there are contacts that touch each of the 3 sections. The entire assembly is easily 1.5cm by 1cm. In a phone that is 7.1mm thick and likely going thinner, that is a massive waste of space.
 
Zackmd1 said:
I had a 6.... Battery life was terrible. But that is besides the point.

Like others have said, that tiny hole is not the entire thing. The length of that metal connector goes inside the phone and around that there are contacts that touch each of the 3 sections. The entire assembly is easily 1.5cm by 1cm. In a phone that is 7.1mm thick and likely going thinner, that is a massive waste of space.
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You may have had a defective 6 as on mine battery life is excellent.
 
Ktdhc said:
Good thing this petition was made. Apple will now go ahead and redesign their supply chain, production line, and throw away year(s)' worth of R&D to put in the headphone jack!
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Apple most certainly prototyped several conceivable designs, both with and without the headphone jack. And once they decided on a final design, most likely moved forward with two versions -- one with, and one without the headphone jack.

They are still months away from starting manufacturing, and the supply chain is going to change very little between a phone with and one without a headphone jack.

If I had to guess, I'd say Apple floated this rumor to take the market's temperature if they move forward with it at this time. And if they are planning to remove the jack, and they get cold feet and decide not to do it with the 7, then they will have entire extra year to implement it in 7s which is otherwise physically identical with some changes internally. This would not be difficult to do at all.
 
Mac 128 said:
Apple most certainly prototyped several conceivable designs, both with and without the headphone jack. And once they decided on a final design, most likely moved forward with two versions -- one with, and one without the headphone jack.

They are still months away from starting manufacturing, and the supply chain is going to change very little between a phone with and one without a headphone jack.

If I had to guess, I'd say Apple floated this rumor to take the market's temperature if they move forward with it at this time. And if they are planning to remove the jack, and they get cold feet and decide not to do it with the 7, then they will have entire extra year to implement it in 7s which is otherwise physically identical with some changes internally. This would not be difficult to do at all.
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If they take out the headphone jack (which I use daily) I will not get a 7 just will upgrade my memory on my 6 or 6s.

Come on I use my headphones in my iPhone, iPod nano, iPad mini, and Mac!
 
Pakaku said:
What is so water-proof about a Lightning port that they couldn't do the same to the 3.5mm?
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Only one point of entry for water on a Lightning port (where it connects to the phone) It's a sealed module as is.

Look at Samsung s7 teardowns (there a video on YouTube showing all the things they did for water proofing.) It has to be sealed where it attaches to the phone (like The Lightning port) plus the whole back of the 3.5mm jack module had to be glued to "seal" it.

Removing the jack though isn't and wouldn't be done purely for water proofing. It just makes it easier. Because you don't need to engineer water proofing on a port that isn't there.
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jwolf6589 said:
If they take out the headphone jack (which I use daily) I will not get a 7 just will upgrade my memory on my 6 or 6s.

Come on I use my headphones in my iPhone, iPod nano, iPad mini, and Mac!
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And you would still be able to use your headphones on your iPhone, iPod nano, iPad mini and Mac.
 
jwolf6589 said:
Also I am not buying this thin argument. My Nano is super thin and has a jack!
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Completely different set of design specifications for your nano. The iPod is first and foremost a audio device so it makes sense to maintain the jack. Your nano also does not have to power a 4.7 inch screen, lte modem, and run full iOS. More internal space can be deticated to that jack in that case. Just because one device can mange to maintain the jack doesn't mean another has to have it as well.

Again.... It makes more sense to remove the jack in the iPhone so more internal space can be deticated to battery, Taptic Engine, speakers, and logic board components. On top of all of that I do not understand why plugging in to the Lightning port for audio is any less convenient then the 3.5 jack especially when an adapter will most likely be available. Just plug the adapter into your headphone cord and forget it's even there.
 
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