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I thought you don't need more than 3.5"? Guess all the apologists are wrong again.
Nice to see you four years later... also, four years later, you still think exactly the same thing about everything? Kobe is the best active player, the NY Giants still reigning champs, stock market is still doing poorly....

smh the stupidity of some people. New times new market new opinions... and new apps new uses new technology.
 
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No skinny jeans for me. :D But I do need a rugged case, Lifeproof Fre, Otterbox Defender, etc. And the Plus models get huge in those cases, so no bezels would be a big help.
I carry the 6+ in my front jeans pocket with no problems. I don't have what you'd call a rugged case, but it's at least as thick as a rugged case would be. I use the Book Book from 12 South.
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My Jeans are Levis with a 32-inch waist.

My back pockets are empty, since I don't need to carry a separate wallet.
 
Because he always said phones should be for one handed use. That was his whole point of taking the mick out of bigger phones at the time. Being able to touch the top of the device with one hand.

I swear people think Steve Jobs made amazing decisions each time and it would just carry on each year as other companies got better. If anything he was stubborn

Personally I agree with him 100%, my favorite phone is the 4S running iOS 6, but it might be because I started with the iPod, so one handed use is important when I'm walking around listening to music. I'm pretty much gonna keep using it until it dies. The larger screen might be useful for web browsing, but browsing the web on a phone sucks, and carrying around a large screen is cumbersome. I generally use my laptop and my phone is just for short simple tasks. Larger screens probably appeal more to non-computer users.
 
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They always seem to underestimate their sales at the beginning of a new cycle and have shortages. You would think they would be better at avoiding shortages by now.
I think they have probably calculated the overall costs of overestimating vs. the costs of underestimating, and have decided that carrying a lot of phones that aren't popular is more expensive than building to order (even taking into account the possible lost sales from those who go elsewhere).
 
Tim how about doing something with the larger screen?

i swear the apple software team is on vacation.

we have **** mail app, siri, calendar, and ios that doesn't offer anything more other than rotating icons in landscape

but open that app then it goes back to portrait .

I'll be the 1st to say this but Steve Jobs would have never let that happen.

Sadly that apple is lonnnng gone. Steve wanted disharmony and competition between departments. Let the cream rise to the top. Under Tim its about harmony. Not saying Tim is a bad leader, but Steve was one of a kind, a True visionary we only get those once 20-30 years.
 
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Welp, the time has come for developers to update their damn app to use the larger screen assts. Looking at you SiriusXM, 7 MWC, etc. It's insane that they are still blown up. The + isn't a niche thing anymore guys.
 
For me... the other plus with the plus is longer battery life (especially when the screen isn't being used).
 
That's in part because the phone was heavily discounted through trade-in programs when it first came out.
 
That's in part because the phone was heavily discounted through trade-in programs when it first came out.
While true that the consumer often pays less or thinks they do (spread out over years baked into the bill) Apple still makes their sale on each device. They money flows into their account either way...they don't give phones away via carriers., the revenue rolls in regardless of the source.
 
I am not a fan of these giant slabs as phones, but I don't begrudge them to others who like the larger sizes.

Personally I prefer the relatively compact size of the SE, and I hope Apple continue to make phones in all the sizes they currently do.

Me as well. Love my SE and hope they continue to offer 4, 4.7 and 5.5 :)
 
Software yes. Hardware no.

You mean....in your opinion. It was his opinion on why he believed both are best. What other Phone are you indicating has better hardware or why are you indicating "No?" What are you contesting exactly?
 
Sadly that apple is lonnnng gone. Steve wanted disharmony and competition between departments. Let the cream rise to the top. Under Tim its about harmony. Not saying Tim is a bad leader, but Steve was one of a kind, a True visionary we only get those once 20-30 years.
While maybe thats true but steve jobs died before companies like samsung made a breakthrough. Who knows how steve would of responded to the comp and if he would of forced the issue.
 
This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. THEY GAVE THE PHONE AWAY FOR FREE (or close to it)! Of course the phone is popular when the price is $100 after the credit most carriers were giving away, an unprecedented act in the history of the iPhone. Mine was $200. It's disingenuous of him to act like the this was a huge sales success when it was orders of magnitude cheaper for a large percentage of owners than the 6 and 6S was.


The vast majority of iPhone sales are outside the US where this subsidy model does not exist. It probably had a negligible effect on the decision of people to buy Apple.
 
Its crazy how fast you get used to something. I used to think the Plus is redic huge. I have had mine for 2 months now and i am already so used to it that my old 6 seems tiny now
 
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I really don't like the plus. It's a pain to design for, so most apps are just blown up versions of the 4.7" layout. Sure, 4" was cramped if you're gonna read articles on it all day, but for typical use, there's no doubt that it's the ideal size. I'm a big guy, but even I can't reach navigation buttons on the 4.7" with one hand.

People can laugh at me for the nuance, but I wish there was a 4.3-4.5" phone. Or a 4.7" with a smaller bezel.

That argument about the original 3.5" being too small...can't be rehashed indefinitely for any upsize. To me a "Plus" has already reached parity with 3.5" in terms of being too extreme.
 
Weren't there only about 3 million Galaxy Note 7's out in the world when the recall happened?

So even if every single Galaxy Note 7 was replaced with an iPhone (it wasn't)... the most it could have been was 3 million out of Apple's 78 million iPhone last quarter.

Sure... Samsung's battery situation might have sold some iPhones... but it wasn't the primary reason for Apple's "record breaking sales"

That logic doesn't make sense. It isn't only the amount that were already out there but the expected amount to be sold after that. Nobody knows for sure how many people that couldn't buy a Note bought iPhones.

The 3 million already out probably had less impact on this as they were offered replacements for S7 and S7 Edge etc. It is the tens of millions of phones Samsung couldn't move but were expected to that is the story in that.

Samsung could not move over 30 million (more or less) direct competitors to the market place to oppose the iPhone 7. If you can't see how that is definitely a help to Apple I don't know what to tell you.

Also it wasn't just the Note it tarnished Samsung's brand and many people stayed away from other models because of the embarrassment of it all. After that happened Samsung was shunned by many people.
 
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Weren't there only about 3 million Galaxy Note 7's out in the world when the recall happened?

So even if every single Galaxy Note 7 was replaced with an iPhone (it wasn't)... the most it could have been was 3 million out of Apple's 78 million iPhone last quarter.

Sure... Samsung's battery situation might have sold some iPhones... but it wasn't the primary reason for Apple's "record breaking sales"

You should reread your post. These were three million out at that point but there were many prospective buyers who hadn't bought the note yet, who would have bought it if they hadn't discontinued it.
 
I got my hands on an iPhone 6 Plus back in late 2015 and I have to say the larger screen was a game changer for me. It's superb. My work phone was an iPhone 5C and is now an iPhone SE and going back to that tiny screen, it feels like trying to operate a phone with a postage stamp sized screen. It's excruciating. The almost Plus helps fill the gap for a tablet type device as you feel you can get more done with it. Battery life is of course great too. I can get a couple of days out of it no problem with normal use, and I can hammer it for a day and still have some juice left at the end of the day.

Downside is, it's really inconveniently sized when in your pocket. Like trying to bend down to do up shoelaces.. you immediately feel the phone stopping you, and you have to take it out of your pocket for fear of bending it.

However I think there's a couple of angles here on the 7 Plus that have made it popular. The substantially better camera system of course - I appreciate Apple probably needed the room in the phone to make it happen, but I still think it was a bit of a poor decision. Bigger battery is desirable for some people. And lastly, and I hate to say it, but purely the 'its the most expensive one' status symbol point of view.

The vast majority of iPhone sales are outside the US where this subsidy model does not exist. It probably had a negligible effect on the decision of people to buy Apple.

Er... same in the UK. Most mobile phones in the UK are sold on a 24 month contract, normally with a small up front payment (or even free) and then a recurring monthly charge for your handset + cell contract. iPhone 7 was no different in that respect. I'd imagine it's the same in most countries?
 
that good but i still think the iPhone as of now is boring, huge in both sizes, and starting to look like every smartphone out there..

wonder when we will get the real big iPhone as it should been if Steve was steal around, a bezel less 5.5mm thin 4.5/4.7 iPhone 5 dimensions with the iconic square Rounded corner apple design and finally a much more resolution screen, and not that boring galaxy note 2 design of the 6,7 with that hump on the back.. to me that sound like the best iPhone i could ever imagine
 
You should reread your post. These were three million out at that point but there were many prospective buyers who hadn't bought the note yet, who would have bought it if they hadn't discontinued it.
That logic doesn't make sense. It isn't only the amount that were already out there but the expected amount to be sold after that. Nobody knows for sure how many people that couldn't buy a Note bought iPhones.

The 3 million already out probably had less impact on this as they were offered replacements for S7 and S7 Edge etc. It is the tens of millions of phones Samsung couldn't move but were expected to that is the story in that.

Samsung could not move over 30 million (more or less) direct competitors to the market place to oppose the iPhone 7. If you can't see how that is definitely a help to Apple I don't know what to tell you.

Also it wasn't just the Note it tarnished Samsung's brand and many people stayed away from other models because of the embarrassment of it all. After that happened Samsung was shunned by many people.

You're both correct... I was thinking about only existing Note 7 and not future Note 7 sales if they were kept on the market. My bad. And thank you. :)

But the comment I was replying to raised the question whether this quarter's iPhone "record sales" were due to the "Samsung's battery debacle"

Was it? I'm not so sure.

Think about this... Apple sold a similar amount of iPhones a year ago (74 million)... and that was without a huge Samsung error.

So I can't really see a major correlation between this year's Note 7 recall and Apple's recent record iPhone sales... as per the earlier comment. :D

You're right though... people would have continued to buy Note 7 all this time if it wasn't removed from the market. Who knows how many Samsung would have sold if they could? Perhaps some people would have bought Note 7 instead of iPhone these last three months.

But again... Apple also sold a ton of iPhones last year with the Note 5 as a top competitor.

With the exception of this year... there has been a flagship Samsung Note competing against the iPhone in Q4 for many years,

And yet... Apple has had a few "record Q4" before. :)
 
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