iPhone 7 Plus Low-Light Photo Capabilities Shown Off at U.S. Open

fatalogic said:
I think the camera in the 7+ will be excellent and probably the best on the market for at least 6 months but I really don't care about photos from a professional photographer. They do this every year since they started the shot on Iphone campaign and every year people are awed by their photos. Then they get the phone in the real world and wonder why they can't take awesome photos too.

If they rereleased these photos and said it was from the 7+ I'm sure most people wouldn't know the difference.
http://www.imore.com/check-out-these-iphone-6s-and-6s-plus-camera-samples
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Spot on. And look at the subject matter of those photos. That's a huge part of what makes a picture. How often are you soaring above ice-capped mountains or hanging out with a beautiful Belgian girl near a waterfall somewhere in Japan?
 
fatalogic said:
I think the camera in the 7+ will be excellent and probably the best on the market for at least 6 months but I really don't care about photos from a professional photographer. They do this every year since they started the shot on Iphone campaign and every year people are awed by their photos. Then they get the phone in the real world and wonder why they can't take awesome photos too.

If they rereleased these photos and said it was from the 7+ I'm sure most people wouldn't know the difference.
http://www.imore.com/check-out-these-iphone-6s-and-6s-plus-camera-samples
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Wait...so Apple is to blame that people who take the iPhone out in the real world can't get similar results? Sorry, but no amount of gear can make everyone take good photos. That is still 100% on the person taking the photo. Someone who sucks at composition and exposure will still suck with a Canon 1DX Mark II and some L glass as they would on an iPhone.
 
lagwagon said:
"Portrait" mode is likely coming in 10.1 as the .1 update is always before the end of the year (late October/early November.) The .2 updates are usually just after the new year. So with them saying it's coming before the end of the year, that means it's in 10.1 and probably by early November.
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Yeah.

And they need to change the name of it from "Portrait" to "Bokeh", something like that. People who don't know much about this will think the phone needs to be in portrait mode!!
 
Vesuvio Cat said:
iPhones take great pictures, absolutely.

But DSLRs are great because of the lenses that you attach to them. The depth of field, manipulable shutter, and aperture are all things that you need a lot of space - length and width - for. No one is ever going to be able to crush space into a tiny circle in the back of a phone.

That being said, I'll have to wait to try the iPhone 7 to know.
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Correct, the law of physics dictate that a large sensor and lens will outperform a smaller module in a "natural" photograph. However in time the software and the processing power may get itself to a point that it can replicate the quality. Time will tell. The iPhone 7 is showing that with each iteration of the iPhone the CPU and software is doing a lot of the heavy lifting on the image quality in place of a larger sensor.
 
These are all missed opportunities. Apple just needs to post four photos, and three (or all) of them could even be cat photos:

1. Apple could have shown off the [regular-sized] iPhone 7's new OIS and larger f/1.8 aperture with a 1/4s handheld exposure of a static object in low light. Show us a picture of food in an intimate candle-lit restaurant; like it or not, people take tons of those pictures. This picture should show us narrower DoF at f/1.8, less motion blur via OIS, and less noise due to lower ISO thanks to slower usable shutter speeds (OIS + larger aperture).

2. For the iPhone 7 Plus they can't market the depth-mapped DoF yet because the software isn't ready. But they could show portraits taken with the "telephoto" lens and demonstrate how natural optical compression yields less background distraction. People need to see why the "telephoto" lens is better suited for portraits because of less distortion.

3. They could show pictures taken at a zoo, shot from where a normal guest would be standing—shoot it at a place where the difference between 35mm (on prior iPhones) and 56mm can make a dramatic difference at the shooter's location. Select an animal that can fill the frame at 56mm—where it would be perfect at that focal length, not just better.

4. They could have shown off raw capabilities by shooting a backlit subject or a stained glass window at daytime from the inside of a church. Post-process the DNG—clamp the highlights and lift the shadows to show that it's now possible to unlock the sensor's entire dynamic range if desired. Place it side-by-side against the OoC JPEG so people can see what they've been missing. This is more about showing the single-shot HDR ability, not for artistic purposes.

Four photos would be all they needed to show off all the new technology instead of shooting photos that could just as easily been shot by previous models. Show some real-world benefits instead of putting the iPhone where it doesn't belong—putting in a pro's hands on the sidelines will naturally make people draw comparisons with SLRs, as unfair and nonsensical as it is. Apple only needs to clearly show that the iPhone 7's camera produces better images than the iPhone 6S and the competition; it doesn't—and shouldn't—require a pro, just an employee with a basic grasp of photography who knows how to push the camera.
 
MacRumors said:



After sharing a collection of photographs taken with the iPhone 7 Plus at the Titans-Vikings game yesterday, Apple CEO Tim Cook this morning tweeted out another group of photos captured with Apple's new 5.5-inch iPhone, now providing a few examples of low-light photography.

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The new set of photos were taken by ESPN photographer Landon Nordeman during the U.S. Open. According to the publication, "the autofocus and exposure performed exceedingly well in various lighting conditions -- so that even with one hand, he could get the shot."

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Better low-light photography was emphasized by Apple in the new ad for the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. The improved conditions in low-light situations, as well as crisper and brighter photos, come at the hands of the iPhone 7's 28mm 12-megapixel camera with optical image stabilization, a wider f/1.8 aperture 6-element lens, wide color capture, and a new Apple image signaling processor.

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The iPhone 7 Plus has all of these features, with the addition of a second 12-megapixel 56mm telephoto lens with an f/2.8 aperture, enabling a new and highly-detailed 2x optical zoom ability. Nordeman's style -- described as "surprising moments from unique perspectives, using color and composition without distracting his subjects" -- was enhanced thanks to the portability of the iPhone 7 Plus, which provides various DSLR-quality features without needing a cumbersome camera system.

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Yesterday, an enterprising Redditor used EXIF data from the photos shared by Sports Illustrated to derive the sizes of the main and secondary camera sensors on the iPhone 7 Plus, also using information known about the sensor on the iPhone 6s. According to the user, the main lenses on the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus are nearly identical in size to the one on the iPhone 6s.
The first iPhone 7 pre-order customers have already begun receiving shipment notifications regarding their incoming orders, which are preparing to arrive this Friday, September 16. Also launching this Friday is the Apple Watch Series 2, which the company announced alongside the iPhone 7 last week in San Francisco.

Check out the full collection of photos taken with the iPhone 7 Plus at the US Open here.

Article Link: iPhone 7 Plus Low-Light Photo Capabilities Shown Off at U.S. Open
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Holy crap that stadium picture is awesome for a phone picture. Who would have thought we'd get to the point of having a picture like that taken with a phone.
 
JCrz said:
These are all missed opportunities. Apple just needs to post four photos, and three (or all) of them could even be cat photos:

1. Apple could have shown off the [regular-sized] iPhone 7's new OIS and larger f/1.8 aperture with a 1/4s handheld exposure of a static object in low light. Show us a picture of food in an intimate candle-lit restaurant; like it or not, people take tons of those pictures. This picture should show us narrower DoF at f/1.8, less motion blur via OIS, and less noise due to lower ISO thanks to slower usable shutter speeds (OIS + larger aperture).

2. For the iPhone 7 Plus they can't market the depth-mapped DoF yet because the software isn't ready. But they could show portraits taken with the "telephoto" lens and demonstrate how natural optical compression yields less background distraction. People need to see why the "telephoto" lens is better suited for portraits because of less distortion.

3. They could show pictures taken at a zoo, shot from where a normal guest would be standing—shoot it at a place where the difference between 35mm (on prior iPhones) and 56mm can make a dramatic difference at the shooter's location. Select an animal that can fill the frame at 56mm—where it would be perfect at that focal length, not just better.

4. They could have shown off raw capabilities by shooting a backlit subject or a stained glass window at daytime from the inside of a church. Post-process the DNG—clamp the highlights and lift the shadows to show that it's now possible to unlock the sensor's entire dynamic range if desired. Place it side-by-side against the OoC JPEG so people can see what they've been missing. This is more about showing the single-shot HDR ability, not for artistic purposes.

Four photos would be all they needed to show off all the new technology instead of shooting photos that could just as easily been shot by previous models. Show some real-world benefits instead of putting the iPhone where it doesn't belong—putting in a pro's hands on the sidelines will naturally make people draw comparisons with SLRs, as unfair and nonsensical as it is. Apple only needs to clearly show that the iPhone 7's camera produces better images than the iPhone 6S and the competition; it doesn't—and shouldn't—require a pro, just an employee with a basic grasp of photography who knows how to push the camera.
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How do you know the 6s, 6, 5s iphone could have easily taken these snaps without a proper comparo? Or are you guessing?
 
lagwagon said:
Wait...so Apple is to blame that people who take the iPhone out in the real world can't get similar results? Sorry, but no amount of gear can make everyone take good photos. That is still 100% on the person taking the photo. Someone who sucks at composition and exposure will still suck with a Canon 1DX Mark II and some L glass as they would on an iPhone.
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No I'm not blaming Apple, it's a very effective marketing campaign but in reality these picture samples tell us very little about the quality photos an average user can expect. It's like seeing a car commercial where they show the car zipping around curvy roads and drifting. In reality 99% of people would never be able to get that same car to perform the same way. While these pictures are beautiful,I'll be awaiting samples from average users.
 
JCrz said:
Because I know how to use a site called Google and search for photos shot from earlier iPhone models. Go here: www.google.com. It's real easy to use.
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You answered my question, you don't. Finding photos you think are similar using google is not the same as taking a photo with three different phones at the same time as in a proper comparo.
 
fatalogic said:
I think the camera in the 7+ will be excellent and probably the best on the market for at least 6 months but I really don't care about photos from a professional photographer. They do this every year since they started the shot on Iphone campaign and every year people are awed by their photos. Then they get the phone in the real world and wonder why they can't take awesome photos too.

If they rereleased these photos and said it was from the 7+ I'm sure most people wouldn't know the difference.
http://www.imore.com/check-out-these-iphone-6s-and-6s-plus-camera-samples
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Very true - what I have said many times before - let's see some actual real world photos and at their actual original size!
A fairly low quality image can look great on a screen when it is reduced in size but we want to see how it actually looks thanks.
 
JCrz said:
By your own logic then nothing can be compared and you shouldn't be posting anything.
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You don't understand photography then, at all.

Light, sensor, lens all place huge variances at any given time. You cannot compare two photos that were taken years apart, with completely different conditions and say the older one would have done just as good in the newer scenario.
 
lagwagon said:
You don't understand photography then, at all.

Light, sensor, lens all place huge variances at any given time. You cannot compare two photos that were taken years apart, with completely different conditions and say the older one would have done just as good in the newer scenario.
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Read what you just wrote. By your logic, there is no possible way to compare anything. What's your point then? Seriously.
 
JCrz said:
Read what you just wrote. By your logic, there is no possible way to compare anything. What's your point then? Seriously.
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My point is you claimed the 5s, 6 and 6s would have gotten the same results. You cannot know that just buy Googling, as you also claimed. The only way to compare the 5s, 6 and 6s camera to the 7 and 7+ is to take photos of the same subject and the same time and do a side by side.
 
lagwagon said:
My point is you claimed the 5s, 6 and 6s would have gotten the same results. You cannot know that just buy Googling, as you also claimed. The only way to compare the 5s, 6 and 6s camera to the 7 and 7+ is to take photos of the same subject and the same time and do a side by side.
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You're contradicting yourself again. In order to do your testing both cameras would have to be at the same place at the same exact time—physically impossible...the sun moves, the wind changes. You said the only way to test them would be to have them under the exact same conditions. And now you're saying it's possible to do that. Clearly you don't understand physics or you can cause some tear in space-time.
 
JCrz said:
You're contradicting yourself again. In order to do your testing both cameras would have to be at the same place at the same exact time—physically impossible...the sun moves, the wind changes. You said the only way to test them would be to have them under the exact same conditions. And now you're saying it's possible to do that. Clearly you don't understand physics or you can cause some tear in space-time.
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No I'm not. You don't understand what the words a fair comparison even means.

I guess you also can't grasp the fact you can have two iPhones models in the same place at the same time and it won't tear the space time continuum.
 
lagwagon said:
No I'm not. You don't understand what the words a fair comparison even means.

I guess you also can't grasp the fact you can have two iPhones models in the same place at the same time and it won't tear the space time continuum.
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Basically what you did was put impossible criteria on testing. Then you followed it up with a testing suggestion that voided your own rules. Putting two cameras side-by-side still wouldn't satisfy your stringent criteria. If you understood photography you'd know just a few inches means a different image (remember, you don't allow for that). Read up on parallax if you don't know what I'm talking about.

By your logic, it will be impossible to compare against anything that currently doesn't exist because it can't be brought back to test in exactly the same situation. It would be impossible to say that a modern computer is faster than my computer in college because it's gone. That's silly and you're desperately looking for technicalities.
 
JCrz said:
Basically what you did was put impossible criteria on testing. Then you followed it up with a testing suggestion that voided your own rules. Putting two cameras side-by-side still wouldn't satisfy your stringent criteria. If you understood photography you'd know just a few inches means a different image (remember, you don't allow for that). Read up on parallax if you don't know what I'm talking about.

By your logic, it will be impossible to compare against anything that currently doesn't exist because it can't be brought back to test in exactly the same situation. It would be impossible to say that a modern computer is faster than my computer in college because it's gone. That's silly and you're desperately looking for technicalities.
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he said you have to place 4 iPhones so they occupy EXACTLY the same space (if not then what if one has more flare?) and take the picture at exactly the same time or else its invalid.....but what if one camera is slower to take the picture? now its invalid and you can't say one is better then the others!!!!! we can never know

time to write to Consumer Reports and car magazines to tell them that lagwagon says they are not doing real testing and they cannot compare cars unless they drive them at exactly the same places on the track etc
 
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