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Your standpoint is absolutely understandable, but don't forget that for some of us: the phone is our main tool of business , a complete office in my pocket.
Being on the road for 200 days of the year: 1000$ for this kind of device is fine.
My phone is my primary business tool too, honestly I have an easier time using my S7 because my work number is my Google Voice line, and with complete Hangouts integration I'm having a very easy time with Android. When I used my iPhone, occasionally calls wouldn't come in, I'd be unable to answer, etc. I felt that between that, increasingly unjustifiable pricing, inability to be excited about the iOS software anymore, a very boring looking iPhone 7, and just plain missing Android, it was the best time to go back. I'll be looking at next year's iPhone, but everything makes it sound like the features I want (OLED a big one), I'll also have to put up with an even higher price tag and potentially curved display which I can't stand.

So yeah, I'm glad it works for some, but I personally can't find the value in spending the money on Apple products in general anymore, I don't feel they're worth the premium like they used to be.
 
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I wonder if it'll have stereo recording to go along with the 4K video?
Overall more interesting than I thought (going by rumours here), but not having a headphone jack does bother me. And then there's the price.
 
From a fairness perspective, Ming-Chi needs to give it a rest. The list of new features has grown so large that it exceeds any reasonable use of the standardized list of MR criticisms. People don't want to be hypocritical and lack innovation like Apple, but you and other leakers have pushed folks to the brink with so many improvements leaking. How many times can folks be expected to respond with "meh," "I don't see any reason to upgrade," "Apple isn't innovating anymore," "without a headphone jack, I'll never buy another iPhone," "Steve was a visionary, Tim only cares about money," "meh," "It's only because Jony Ive wants it thinner; "Time for Cook, Cue, Ive to go," "Apple doesn't care about its customers anymore," "Android already did this," "Apple is in decline," "only the fanboys will like this," "Where are the new MacBooks!"
 
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I'm all for Lightening Audio with a small dongle if it improves the non-Hi-Fi audio quality that currently comes out of the iPhone 3.5 mm headphone jack.

I've never heard really great sound from an iPhone...using very good headphones with uncompressed AIFF files...to the point that I don't like listening to music on an iPhone at all. It's fatiguing to me. If Lightening audio fixes that, it'll be a huge upgrade (for me).

Based on reviews I've read of lightening headphones, the benefit of lightening headphones is the audio driver.

Due to cost and quality, most manufacturers use cheap audio drivers for the 3.5mm jack. However, lightening jacks are digital instead of analog and have the driver built into the headphones. This allows for premium headphones to perform significantly better through lightening vs 3.5mm jack. Apparently, the difference is pretty noticeable.

I get where you're coming from in regards to the universality of the 3.5mm jack. However, the 3.5mm jack is analog and we are in a digital age. It's due for an upgrade. Basically this will suck for 1-2 years while you upgrade stuff, but after that, it's fine.

I had tons of 30-pin cables and when they switched to lightening it sucked. But after 2 years I had cables a plenty. If they have an adaptor and upgrade laptops to accept lightening headphones, it'll all be ok within a few years.

People bitch, but it all works out in time.

Unfortunately the alleged quality improvement using a Lighting connected device is vastly over rated. The only way you will see any noticeable improvement is 1) have better source material digitized using a superior codec, 2) the Lightning connected device would need to have a superior DAC/AMP compared to the internal DAC/AMP in the iPhone, 3) the speakers in the associated Lighting connected device would need to also be superior compared to the current speakers you get in high quality headphones using the 3.5mm connector.

If all those items are improved, then yes the overall sound quality should improve. But Apple and the uninformed public will chant ... "digital connections are better ... digital connections are better"; without understanding the science behind it, they are generally dead wrong with that basic/limited understanding.

I was one of those folks who was suckered into the "digital connections are better" until I read this thread on MacRumors. At first it feels like a complicated subject, but after you begin to absorb the facts, it makes a lot of sense. It's a fantastic thread.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/08/iphone-7-audiophile-lightning-headphones/
 
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I'm sure we will see the 3.5mm jack for many decades. There are plenty of examples, here is one. Boeing and Airbus install 3.5mm in-seat audio jacks for many airlines all over the world. There is no way in hell that will be changed anytime soon to wireless. The government bureaucracy between different governmental airline safety boards across multiple countries will alone take decades to agree on a new standard. There are countless other examples of the widespread use and impact of the 3.5mm jack.

Your example makes sense, not alone because you have chosen a very specific scenario in which wireless is not possible at present.
However: apple sells a lot of phones (don't recall the numbers... around 60-70million pa?)
Of all those consumers: how many fly so often as to be really inconvenienced by this jack issue?

Certainly we can make a list of other 3,5mm scenarios, e.g. old-folks homes, nuclear power plants, the ISS space station... which by the way used windows XP till 2013.
 
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"Wide color displays in the same sizes and resolutions as the current iPhone 6s and 6s Plus"

So, iPhone's screen resolution continues being 326 PPI (excluding Plus).

Let's recap:

2010: iPhone 4 330 ppi
2011: iPhone 4S 330 ppi
2012: iPhone 5 326 ppi
2013: iPhone 5S 326 ppi
2014: iPhone 6 326 ppi
2015: iPhone 6S 326 ppi
2016: iPhone 7 326 ppi

That's SIX friggin' years that the screen resolution of the small iPhone has stayed the same. Everyone else by now are doing minimum of 1080p and better. Why is Apple so stubborn on this??? And why are people accepting having 720p resolution year after year??? Doesn't anyone else want truly sharper screens on the smaller iPhone?? >:/

Apple better give us at least 1080p next year when it's time for that major redesign.....
 
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If all those items are improved, then yes the overall sound quality should improve. But Apple and the uninformed public will chant ... "digital connections are better ... digital connections are better"; without understanding the science behind it, they are generally dead wrong with that basic/limited understanding.
Agreed.
 
I might be the only person who gave up using wired headphones. I hated how they got knocked out of my ear when my arm caught them or they came out of my ear as they got stuck in my shirt or jacket or whatever when I moved my head. I switched to bluetooth (Bose) and never looked back. You can't workout with wired headphones without them getting in the way or your phone flying off. They are always getting in the way while bluetooth allows me to workout with just in-ear buds and movies and more with Bose QC35's in silence.

Anyone who likes wired "only" has every right to want this feature and will either switch to another brand, stay on the old one or use the dongle. Face it, Bluetooth is now outselling wired, but I don't blame anyone for wanting the 3.5mm.

How is the sound quality? I have a 2014 Honda to which I can connect my audio over two ways: via Bluetooth or over the car's built in Lightning port (with pre-CarPlay interoperability). I can most definitely notice that the Lightning connection has a fuller sound and the bass response is better. If I could be assure the frequency response and sound quality was the same for wireless headphones as with wired, I would certainly go with wireless.
 
I know that there's more than just clockspeed that determines how fast your CPU is (IE, pipeline lengths), but that clockspeed seems insane:

A8 (iPhone 6): 1.4 GHz
A9 (iPhone 6S): 1.85 GHz
A10 (iPhone 7?): 2.5 GHz

It seems to me that the A10 should be a solid improvement on the CPU that Apple is currently putting into the MacBook... consumes less power, operates at a higher frequency, and unless I'm mistaken, ARM pipelines are vastly shorter than x86 pipelines.

Not sure if all those extra operations the x86 can do are necessary or not...
 
My phone is my primary business tool too, honestly I have an easier time using my S7 because my work number is my Google Voice line, and with complete Hangouts integration I'm having a very easy time with Android. When I used my iPhone, occasionally calls wouldn't come in, I'd be unable to answer, etc. I felt that between that, increasingly unjustifiable pricing, inability to be excited about the iOS software anymore, a very boring looking iPhone 7, and just plain missing Android, it was the best time to go back. I'll be looking at next year's iPhone, but everything makes it sound like the features I want (OLED a big one), I'll also have to put up with an even higher price tag and potentially curved display which I can't stand.

So yeah, I'm glad it works for some, but I personally can't find the value in spending the money on Apple products in general anymore, I don't feel they're worth the premium like they used to be.

that's good, we all have reasons for being happy/unhappy with our particular devices. Apart from googlemaps i don't use any google stuff on my phone, and am happy with the functioning of the iPhone 6. Let's see what the 7 offers and whether it is worth it.
Have a good day!
 
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"Wide color displays in the same sizes and resolutions as the current iPhone 6s and 6s Plus"

So, iPhone's screen resolution continues being 326 PPI (excluding Plus).

Let's recap:

2010: iPhone 4 330 ppi
2011: iPhone 4S 330 ppi
2012: iPhone 5 326 ppi
2013: iPhone 5S 326 ppi
2014: iPhone 6 326 ppi
2015: iPhone 6S 326 ppi
2016: iPhone 7 326 ppi

That's SIX friggin' years that the screen resolution of the small iPhone has stayed the same. Everyone else by now are doing minimum of 1080p and better. Why is Apple so stubborn on this??? And why are people accepting having 720p resolution year after year??? Doesn't anyone else want truly sharper screens on the smaller iPhone?? >:/

Apple better give us at least 1080p next year when it's time for that major redesign.....

It's called retina for a reason
 
lol laughing at the replies....

Before this article, all the replies were 'Pshhh Apple can't innovate! Waiting for the 2017 iPhone!!!"

Now its all 'hmmm sounds good! Ill get it!"

I'm on the 'get it' boat, but I always have been since my iPhone 6+ is starting to show it's age and battery loss
 
Sounds not enough to upgrade from iPhone 6s plus

You're joking... right?

I have an iPhone 6 and I can quickly tally up the plusses and minuses of this compared to my current phone.

Plus - Very slightly better camera (but as I also have a real camera this is irrelevant to me). Slightly faster CPU (which I won't notice, as all my phone does is Google Maps, Google Inbox, Google Chrome, Audible, and Pocketcasts)

Minus - I can't use my £250 Bose headphones.

Needless to say, I won't be buying an iPhone "7".
 
I respectfully disagree. I think 3.5mm will go away and really fast pretty soon. Just like Vinil, which I think we agree that does have superior audio quality. Honestly, it is pretty ridiculous as it is having wires tangling around to listen audio. Wireless should be the way.

I respectfully suggest you ask someone that bought a $1000 pair of headphones 30 years ago & uses them both in business and for pleasure if they would have bought them repeatedly six times over that period, if the plug changed every five years.
There is a HUGE difference between consumer tech (replace every 12-24 months) and pro grade equipment (replace perhaps never- can last several decades).
The pro market would dry up overnight if it was as you imagine.
Think of how a Rolex is an investment... something you could leave to an heir. What if wouldn't be "compatible" after 5 years... you'd buy a Timex instead, yeah?
The audio jack IS here to stay in pro equipment. It is going the way of the dodo in consumer equipment.
Both of those facts are nearly incontrovertible.
 
Everyone else by now are doing minimum of 1080p and better. Why is Apple so stubborn on this??? And why are people accepting having 720p resolution year after year??? Doesn't anyone else want truly sharper screens on the smaller iPhone?? >:/
You won't see any difference.
 
I agree with your post, but I think you might agree that no new technology of this function is going to last 70 years... 7 years would be pushing in this age.
And I seriously doubt that any audio equipment bought today will be in use in decades.
Eg. We bought a lot of UMatic video equipment, then Betacam etc. Now videotape is all but
forgotten. etc etc.

I acquiesce that!
I meant more that, that is why they will stick w/ 3.5mm in those instances.
I have ZERO problem using an adapter for all my now "legacy" high-end headphones.
Obviously, I would never replace them with temporary junk. It took me many years, thousands of dollars, and hours of research to choose my collection of Senns, Grados, Etymotics, etc.
Nobody is buying those all over, every few years. We'd all prefer buying a few adapters.
 
Face it, Bluetooth is now outselling wired, but I don't blame anyone for wanting the 3.5mm.

The great news is that if a 3.5mm jack is included then people can use both wired and BT wireless headphones!


Lots of people use BT headphones when they're active and wired when they're sedentary for full quality music. The dingus adapter will work, but it's just one more dingus to keep track of.
I thought increasing pixel count would require more powerful graphics and decrease battery life. So I have not been able to come up with an answer to why is it important to increase the pixel count. What am I missing?

You could try comparing the detail and clarity of the 6S Plus to the 6S.
 
"New colors are expected to ditch space gray and add dark black and "piano black" options. The glossy black shade could be limited in availability, so Apple is expected to focus on large-storage models for that shade."

Pre-order get both blacks @ 256GB! I hope Apple surprise all the haters with upgrading the screen resolution to full 1080p in the iPhone 4.7" model! Cannot wait till the 7th to hear the new iPhone7 features!
 
That's not really a valid point until they come out with new computers, maybe they won't!

They also aren't as obsessive about size for the MacBook Pros as they are on the iPhones.
Although with moves like limited ports on the MacBooks, who knows.

It makes me cRaZy that on my 15" MacBook Pro, they took away my built-in ethernet port.
Sure, I can get an adaptor, but then my "Pro" machine is down another port!

Personally, I could live with this move if they'd sell me a 5-pack of lightning to 3.5mm adaptors for $20 or $30 so I could just put one on all the headphones I use.

These adaptors need another lightning IN port, so I can charge while I listen or while I'm watching video off of a lightning port thumb drive I can still plug in my headphones.

Gary

The reason why I think they will update the iMac and MBA at this event is because I think they want to introduce Lightning ports in the Macs as part of this audio rollout, signaling to the industry and developers that they can expect Lightning audio ports across Apple's entire product line.

There will probably be third parties who will sell Lightning to 3.5mm adapters in bulk like that, once they crack Apple's authorization chips. The DACs and amps will probably be crap, but it certainly will be an option depending on the application. I expect some adapters will have a Lightning pass-through, but I also expect Apple to offer that solution out of the box with a new Lightning charging cable. They've already shown this in their external battery case for the 6s.
 
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There have been numerous articles posted over the past few months talking about the rumor of Apple removing the 3.5mm jack. If you look back at those articles, the numbers of responses are astounding and the vast majority of responses are from people furious about the potential (probably imminent) 3.5mm jack removal.

The 3.5mm jack is a universal standard across laptops, automobiles, desktops, music players, stereos, mobile phones, tablets, even in-seat audio jacks on most passenger airlines. Removing this standard is a complete slap in the face to millions of consumers who have spent a lot of money on high quality headphones, earbuds, speakers, etc. that all use the 3.5mm standard.

I know people love to compare removing the 3.5mm jack to eliminating the old floppy or CD, but those were upgrades to new standards embraced by the entire computer industry as a move forward in technology and convenience.

If removed, Apple will have taken away a reliable open standard, replacing it with their proprietary standard, and I'm confident virtually no other equipment manufacture will ever embrace Lightning (I'm not talking about headset/earbud manufactures, I'm talking about other desktop, laptop, tablet, stereo, phone, automobile, music player, and aircraft manufactures). You are never going to see widespread acceptance of Lightning on other devices.

With this potential bonehead decision Apple does not move us forward, they lock us into a standard they control/own and move us away from the mainstream into a segregated solution that is not even available on Apple’s own computer line ... which coincidently uses the 3.5mm audio jack.

So what might Apple give us in return, maybe they shave a faction of a millimeter (bid deal) from the phone's thickness, and/or maybe we get a second (or better) speaker because they want us to believe we need some kind of so-called “stereo sound”. It’s pathetic!

Give us back the 3.5mm jack and keep your second/improved speaker. We don’t need a so-called stereo in our pockets.

I completely disagree. The 3.5mm jack has been around since 1960-1970's. while it has been a reliable and mainstream way of listening to audio, it is certainly "dated". Plus if Apple does give you an adapter for Lightning to 3.5mm jack, you can still use your regular headphones so it is not obsolete.

It also is an excellent way to improve the water resistance since it IS an open port and reducing the open ports (thus using the Lightning) is a plus. The only other means would be to be completely wireless with both charging and audio playback but we know that will be in the coming years.

The underlying point is Apple is innovating. There will be people who hate it and people who love it. Either way, we adjust. Companies who fail to innovate will only be out of business in a matter of time.
 
With this potential bonehead decision Apple does not move us forward, they lock us into a standard they control/own and move us away from the mainstream into a segregated solution that is not even available on Apple’s own computer line ... which coincidently uses the 3.5mm audio jack.

That's not really a valid point until they come out with new computers, maybe they won't!

They also aren't as obsessive about size for the MacBook Pros as they are on the iPhones.
Although with moves like limited ports on the MacBooks, who knows.

It makes me cRaZy that on my 15" MacBook Pro, they took away my built-in ethernet port.
Sure, I can get an adaptor, but then my "Pro" machine is down another port!

Personally, I could live with this move if they'd sell me a 5-pack of lightning to 3.5mm adaptors for $20 or $30 so I could just put one on all the headphones I use.

These adaptors need another lightning IN port, so I can charge while I listen or while I'm watching video off of a lightning port thumb drive I can still plug in my headphones.

Gary
 
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