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I'm hoping the "one more thing" is wireless charging capability. It is hard to imagine that Apple would destroy the ability to charge and listen to music or watch a video over headphones at the same time.

I've said for a while that the iPhone 7 may inspire me to move over to a Nexus device. I stand by that sentiment. But I would be kidding myself if I said I'm happy about the fact that I even have that inclination to begin with.

Why do people continue to assume Apple hasn't once thought about how to solve the problem of charging iPhones at the same time customers use their headphones, especially since that's been mentioned in every other post in every Apple forum since these rumors started well over a year ago?

Apple has many options available to them to solve this particular problem, but the simplest way to do it is to include a simple pass-through port on the included Lightning charging cable in the box. Apple has been including Lightning passthrough ports on their dongles since Lightning debuted, so this isn't even wild speculation. In fact, you don't have to look much further than the new Apple external battery pack for the 6s to see the exact port incorporated as an in-line passthrough port.

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There's a slight point to both sides...
1st yours: of course progress is marching fwd! Less holes in our devices is awesome (as long as SOME backwards compatibility is maintained). This is all fantastic.
2nd theirs: yes, the 3.5mm jack will be around for MANY years. So what?? We don't need it in our ultraportable phones.

Here's the thing that the "3.5mm is going away" crowd are wrong about- it could only truly be "replaced" w/ a technology that could last another 70 years, like the last one.
A nice set of headphones or other audio equipment can last DECADES. Apple's 30 pin had a nice long run of about eleven years; both lightning & USB-C will almost certainly be shorter or equivalent to that. Audio equipment can NOT be replaced in entirety every several years for a nonsense reason like "we're changing connections again".
Thus: best of both worlds..... 3.5mm will definitely stay in use for many years in high end audio, while consumable audio (cheap headphones, etc) will continue to trend more towards wireless or whatever "flavor of the week" connection.
That's it. That's the reality.
I don't get the arguing when clearly, both sides are partially correct.

While you also have a good point, consider this:

What do most people listen to audio from today? I'd argue most people listen to audio from their iPhones, their iPods, and their computers. Even if they have a home stereo, their source is almost always one of those three things. So the connector for those devices for a headphone only needs to be standardized for those devices.

What's being argued is the loss of compatibility with fringe use cases. And to that end, even home stereos are coming with BT, WiFi, and USB as standard connection methods, as are automobiles. So now we're talking vintage technology and maintaining compatibility with 30 year old devices, or public interfaces, like ATM machines, and 3.5mm jacks on airplanes. But even these technologies are constantly updating. American Airlines for example has a USB port in their new setback entertainment systems ... could that be used for headphones? There might even be BT radios inside those devices just waiting to be activated one day. ATMs are starting to integrate Apple Pay via the iPhone, which someone might be able to receive audio through their own headphones. So what else is left? Professional recording studios. Again that's a pro environment. Just like Ethernet isn't likely going away in fixed professional facilities, neither will it from the Professional environment. But then, if it's your job, you're going to carry around whatever you need anyway. Then again, I have never once been in a professional environment that didn't have whatever cable I needed to connect whatever equipment I had.

So it's valid debate. Should companies like Apple maintain backward compatibility with vintage devices which are increasingly becoming part of fringe use in society, or should they focus their energies for how most of the world is using their equipment?
 
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People who *think* there's no reason to upgrade FAIL at *realizing* that TWO things that the MASSES (not the tech heads) care about MOST are the CAMERA and TEXTING. BOTH are getting huge upgrades on the iPhone and in the software. Personally I think this iPhone iteration will be a hit as I'm sure there's more to be announced such as how the new components interact with the software. People are being too naive believing every leak but so far theres been NO LEAK on how any of these new features will function and relate to software.

God said and I'm quoting him here "GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY REALLY WANT"
 
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Am I the only one who wants to see them just make the back out of a really grippy rubber so I don't need a case? As they make the phones thinner, the case adds more and more bulk as a percentage of the phone.

I don't understand the obsession with the look of the back when 75% of people are going to put a case on it anyway, especially the Plus size, which is really hard to handle bare.
grippy rubber=fugly
nude=beauty
 
Let it go..... Again I am going to say this over and over...... That 3.5 jack takes up an enormous amount of internal space you do realize that right? Removing it allows for much more internal space for things like battery, speakers, and so on. So what difference does it make if apple will be including a lightning to 3.5 adapter? How many people truly use the 3.5 jack AND the lighting port at the same time? Likewise I am sure there will be y adapters out there to allow for charging and 3.5 jack. Even on the android side they are moving away from the 3.5 port and going over to USB-C.... The 3.5 jack is a dying tech standard. The new standard will be USB-C/Bluetooth.

I use both at the same time every day in my car.

I just want to pop it into my car (that I already own and don't plan to upgrade it or the stereo soon) and charge it (because the battery could be significantly bigger) and pipe audio into the AUX port. A cheap Y-adaptor would be perfect, it's got to be cheap because I want them for all my headphones (they probably don't all need to be y-adaptors); if they're charging us a lot for them, there is no benefit to them saving money and space by pulling it apart.

Realistically, who's asking for it to be smaller? The customers? The geeky users?

Of all the comments I see in these (and other) forums, I pretty much never hear people saying "Can you make it thinner and smaller", do you?

Make the phone 10% thicker, give me: better speakers, better battery life, a headphone jack, and a camera that doesn't stick out and USB-C; or even make it 20% thicker (so pretty much) no one will complain about battery life and a much better lens (since it has some depth), a true front facing flash and they could toss in some more RAM/processing power since we've got the extra juice.

I'd have to think that they'll be removing it from the iPads and iPod Touch for their reasoning to hold up.
 
Will there be an adapter that les you charge the phone and listen to music with wired headphones at the same time?

That has been a question asked a lot by many folks angry at the possibility of not being able to charge their iPhone while their Lighting headphones are connected.

Also, what if you have Lighting Headphones and a MacBook (they don't have Lighting on MacBooks). Is there a 3.5mm analog to Lighting adapter, I think the answer to that one will be no.
 
Have to say it's complete horse SH*T that the standard non phablet size doesn't get the better cameras. Should be offered on both or nothing. Apple's consistency in products has gone to hell after Jobs died.

Oh, and couldn't care less about the water resistance.
 
Very slightly better camera (...) Slightly faster CPU

If the 7 rumours are correct: these are the only pluses you see between the 6 and the 7?
You may have ignored some of the additions that came with the 6s?
They may mean too little to you to upgrade... but there will be more differences between the 6 and the 7 than "slightly better camera" and "slightly faster CPU". You agree?
 
Maybe we'll see a glossy Piano White next year, I feel like that would look very sleek.

Other than that, this seems very evolutionary but still a welcome update. Will see if there's anything else on Wednesday that can tempt me...
 
It's odd, given all the leaks, that no-one has yet been able to produce a picture of the adapter we're all so convinced is going to be included.

That's likely because it won't be in the box. I can't think of any compelling reason Apple would want to do that.

It admits they made a mistake in removing the 3.5mm jack.

It encourages customers to continue using their 3.5mm equipment without even trying the included Lightning earbuds, or seek out a BT solution.

If there's no adapter, then customers will be forced to try the Lightning headphones initially, unless they planned ahead. If they still don't like those, they'll go shopping and may decide to give wireless a try after the excellent reviews Apple is almost certainly to get. Or they may decide they love Lightning and want to upgrade to newer headphones. Or they may just decide they aren't ready to upgrade their expensive 3.5mm headphones yet, and buy an adapter for them. Either way, Apple is not enabling their customers to keep doing what they've always done.

If there is an adapter in the box, I can see it being a Lightning headphone to 3.5mm source adapter. This would allow Apple customers to use their new Lightning headphones on any existing Apple equipment until Apple adds a Lightning port to the new Macs. This adapter could also be the most cost effective adapter available. If Apple updates the MFi specs, the adapter could simply be an analogue pass-through. Since Lightning is a smart-connector, a chip in the adapter tells the Lightning headphones to bypass the DAC & amp, and just send the analogue source signal straight to the headphones, and avoids the ridiculous need to convert an analogue signal into digital to get it into the headphones, only to convert it back to analogue again.
 
There have been numerous articles posted over the past few months talking about the rumor of Apple removing the 3.5mm jack. If you look back at those articles, the numbers of responses are astounding and the vast majority of responses are from people furious about the potential (probably imminent) 3.5mm jack removal.

The 3.5mm jack is a universal standard across laptops, automobiles, desktops, music players, stereos, mobile phones, tablets, even in-seat audio jacks on most passenger airlines. Removing this standard is a complete slap in the face to millions of consumers who have spent a lot of money on high quality headphones, earbuds, speakers, etc. that all use the 3.5mm standard.

I know people love to compare removing the 3.5mm jack to eliminating the old floppy or CD, but those were upgrades to new standards embraced by the entire computer industry as a move forward in technology and convenience.

If removed, Apple will have taken away a reliable open standard, replacing it with their proprietary standard, and I'm confident virtually no other equipment manufacture will ever embrace Lightning (I'm not talking about headset/earbud manufactures, I'm talking about other desktop, laptop, tablet, stereo, phone, automobile, music player, and aircraft manufactures). You are never going to see widespread acceptance of Lightning on other devices.

With this potential bonehead decision Apple does not move us forward, they lock us into a standard they control/own and move us away from the mainstream into a segregated solution that is not even available on Apple’s own computer line ... which coincidently uses the 3.5mm audio jack.

So what might Apple give us in return, maybe they shave a faction of a millimeter (bid deal) from the phone's thickness, and/or maybe we get a second (or better) speaker because they want us to believe we need some kind of so-called “stereo sound”. It’s pathetic!

Give us back the 3.5mm jack and keep your second/improved speaker. We don’t need a so-called stereo in our pockets.
No get rid of that 30+ year old outdated jack. If you'll recall Apple was the first to make the advancements you listed even with all the same boohooing and nashing of teeth....
 
I use both at the same time every day in my car.

I just want to pop it into my car (that I already own and don't plan to upgrade it or the stereo soon) and charge it (because the battery could be significantly bigger) and pipe audio into the AUX port. A cheap Y-adaptor would be perfect, it's got to be cheap because I want them for all my headphones (they probably don't all need to be y-adaptors); if they're charging us a lot for them, there is no benefit to them saving money and space by pulling it apart.

Realistically, who's asking for it to be smaller? The customers? The geeky users?

Of all the comments I see in these (and other) forums, I pretty much never hear people saying "Can you make it thinner and smaller", do you?

Make the phone 10% thicker, give me: better speakers, better battery life, a headphone jack, and a camera that doesn't stick out and USB-C; or even make it 20% thicker (so pretty much) no one will complain about battery life and a much better lens (since it has some depth), a true front facing flash and they could toss in some more RAM/processing power since we've got the extra juice.

I'd have to think that they'll be removing it from the iPads and iPod Touch for their reasoning to hold up.

Good points and I have also thought much about Apple's relentless (psychotic) pursuit of making their phones thinner. I think we have reached the point of diminishing returns and even if the iPhone 7 is a tiny bit thinner because of the 3.5mm jack removal, I am defiantly in the camp of don't constantly make the phone thinner, keep the same form factor and improve the battery in the same space.
 
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Tech specs are always an interesting topic of discussion. For me however, I pickup my iPhone, go about my daily routine, if the iPhone completes the day without negatively impacting my day, keep it. Once the iPhone becomes a burden or my needs change, maybe better camera, then I will start my search for a replacement. Could be every year or in my case every 2 1/2 to 3 years. I find it financially rewarding to let the use factor drive the purchase rather then a set time or for technology I can easily live without.
 
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Have to say it's complete horse SH*T that the standard non phablet size doesn't get the better cameras. Should be offered on both or nothing.

Some of us are looking forward to the better cameras.
If apple could not or didn't want to include them in the smaller phone ...
Some of us will buy the bigger phone.

Apple's consistency in products has gone to hell after Jobs died.

Possibly this "
consistency" was always a kitsch-like figment of your imagination? It's not the focus when selling millions of phones.
You possibly also believe that the larger phones should have same screen size as the smaller ones? Same screen size or no screen at all.

Oh, and couldn't care less about the water resistance.


Good for you! Better out than in.
 
i might upgrade my 4s only because my top microphone does not work, accidentally crushed banana into my headphone jack and microphone while eating and i messed up my headphone jack, so wont miss headphone removal at all, i wished this year was the total redesign i dont like the slippery iphone 6s
 
No get rid of that 30+ year old outdated jack. If you'll recall Apple was the first to make the advancements you listed even with all the same boohooing and nashing of teeth....

Apple has historically removed things when a newer and superior cross platform standard was available. This is not the case this time.

Analogue sound quality is as good as it gets. Bluetooth is far, far worse. Lightning may sound similar enough to analogue but it's proprietary. Lightning headphones can't even be plugged into Macs for goodness' sake, let alone PCs or any other audio players.

This is a stupid move which is guaranteed to generate a huge backlash from reviewers and critics alike. It's bone headed in the extreme.
 
- Improved IPX7 water resistance matching that of the original Apple Watch and making the device suitable for splashes, showering, and even brief dips in water up to one meter deep.

Gonna be a lot of water getting wasted if people can text and Facebook in the shower o_O
 
Let it go..... Again I am going to say this over and over...... That 3.5 jack takes up an enormous amount of internal space you do realize that right? Removing it allows for much more internal space for things like battery, speakers, and so on. So what difference does it make if apple will be including a lightning to 3.5 adapter? How many people truly use the 3.5 jack AND the lighting port at the same time? Likewise I am sure there will be y adapters out there to allow for charging and 3.5 jack. Even on the android side they are moving away from the 3.5 port and going over to USB-C.... The 3.5 jack is a dying tech standard. The new standard will be USB-C/Bluetooth.

The iPhone is already far too thin. There is no benefit to anyone in making it thinner. Phone speakers are already fine given that their only purpose is alerts and phone ringers.

As for using both lightning and audio out at the same time, I do that all day Monday to Friday. My iPhone sits on my desk and I listen to audio on it via Apple Music, Audible and Pocketcasts. Without the power going into it the battery is pretty much dead by mid afternoon.
 
In before earpiece speaker gate blowing people's brains out :D

And for the wishlist: gesture controls possible by swiping on the home button please!

I never thought of that. That would really nice. I doubt that's going to happen but one can only dream.
 
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