iPhone 7 to Include Five Colors, IPX7 Water Resistance, Dual 12MP Cameras on Plus Model

[matthewhuk]

If you can't innovate or design then repaint it in new colors.

...or remove a port.

 

[DCIFRTHS]

And when I say Apple abandoning the 3.5mm and in turn causing the industry to reconsider 3.5mm and making a sea change, I'm not saying the industry will adopt Lightning. I know that's proprietary and it will never be the industry standard. But there's the USB-C. And it's digital, which in turn means it has TONS more functionality and audio quality than 3.5mm which is analog.

My contention is emphasized in your post. Why do you believe that because the audio signal output is zero's and one's, it's better? In fact, digital could be worse - depending on the quality of the output (jitter etc). I don't recall any labs tests showing the integrity of the digital audio output over lightning. If there is one, please point me to it.

But... the biggest thing of all is that the audio signal HAS to go through a DAC at some point before you can hear it. It's all in the quality of the DAC...and your amp...and your speakers...

What if your DAC sucks compared to the one Cirrus Logic, Apple (or whoever Apple is/was using for the DAC in your idevice? You get "lower quality" sound even though the output, from the idevice, is digital.

To sum it up, the digital signal will be converted to analog at some point before you can hear it! So please tell me why a digital output beats an analog out for sound quality alone? That's what you said, and I'd like to hear why.

 

[Kajje]

Looks like a guy to me - http://www.cultofmac.com/273923/min...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Why? Because of the tie, short hair and morning moustache? Thats homofobic.

 

[Wowereit]

Ever notice that the samsung commercials have someone pouring water or champagne on the phone? That is all it is rated for... while IPX7 rating can handle being under water for 30 minutes and not just resistance to pouring water at a certain rate.

The 8 in the Galaxy's IP68 certification literally means that it can handle being under water, while the 6 means it's dust proof.

 

[truthertech]

Eliminating the port broadly means you want people to stop using it and move with the times. Bundling an adapter builds resistance to your view of the future. John Gruber said he would be very surprised if Apple put an adapter in the box, and for very similar reasons.

But you are missing the point. Apple can be fully confident in switch to Lightning and wireless without being oblivious to their customers needs and wants to continue to use some legacy 3.5 equipment. To provide them an adapter is a nice gesture that recognizes reality of transition period

 

[palmerc]

For all the criticism Apple has received in removing the headphone jack and thinner phones it is clear that Apple is going after the 2 major forms of iPhone breakage - drops and drowning. It just can't be understated from a customer satisfaction standpoint how much reducing the two major forms of iPhone damage can allow Apple to maintain margins, because iPhones might be more expensive, but they're also built to last. A reputation like that is hard to beat.

 

[truthertech]

I could not agree more. It will make me so mad if this turns out to be true. It is user hostile, and for the first time I'm considering not upgrading to the latest iphone until they put it back.

Charging while listening to music/podcasts in the car via the AUX input is really important to me. UGH.

Why do you presuppose that Apple hasn't addressed this issue? You may be in for a big surprise.

 

[michael31986]

Wait. Since when is a 5S better at pictures than a 6S plus?

 

[truthertech]

...or remove a port.

Would just one of you who whine and complain about the lack of innovation please explain what would in your eyes be an innovation? A triangle phone? A can opener? What?

 

[Wowereit]

I respectfully suggest you ask someone that bought a $1000 pair of headphones 30 years ago & uses them both in business and for pleasure if they would have bought them repeatedly six times over that period, if the plug changed every five years.
There is a HUGE difference between consumer tech (replace every 12-24 months) and pro grade equipment (replace perhaps never- can last several decades).
The pro market would dry up overnight if it was as you imagine.
Think of how a Rolex is an investment... something you could leave to an heir. What if wouldn't be "compatible" after 5 years... you'd buy a Timex instead, yeah?
The audio jack IS here to stay in pro equipment. It is going the way of the dodo in consumer equipment.
Both of those facts are nearly incontrovertible.

Well, probably we should start thinking about the jack being the new RJ45.
Professional networking going wireless? No way, probably never will or at least not during the next 20 years.
Most consumers dumping ethernet for WiFi? Happened years ago.

 

[OMGWTFBBQ]

Why do you presuppose that Apple hasn't addressed this issue? You may be in for a big surprise.

I'm not sure how they can address it, while also removing the jack. Unless the dongle allows for both charging and listening. Even so, that just seems like a pain in the arse to carry around.

 

[leon44]

There have been numerous articles posted over the past few months talking about the rumor of Apple removing the 3.5mm jack. If you look back at those articles, the numbers of responses are astounding and the vast majority of responses are from people furious about the potential (probably imminent) 3.5mm jack removal.

The 3.5mm jack is a universal standard across laptops, automobiles, desktops, music players, stereos, mobile phones, tablets, even in-seat audio jacks on most passenger airlines. Removing this standard is a complete slap in the face to millions of consumers who have spent a lot of money on high quality headphones, earbuds, speakers, etc. that all use the 3.5mm standard.

I know people love to compare removing the 3.5mm jack to eliminating the old floppy or CD, but those were upgrades to new standards embraced by the entire computer industry as a move forward in technology and convenience.

If removed, Apple will have taken away a reliable open standard, replacing it with their proprietary standard, and I'm confident virtually no other equipment manufacture will ever embrace Lightning (I'm not talking about headset/earbud manufactures, I'm talking about other desktop, laptop, tablet, stereo, phone, automobile, music player, and aircraft manufactures). You are never going to see widespread acceptance of Lightning on other devices.

With this potential bonehead decision Apple does not move us forward, they lock us into a standard they control/own and move us away from the mainstream into a segregated solution that is not even available on Apple’s own computer line ... which coincidently uses the 3.5mm audio jack.

So what might Apple give us in return, maybe they shave a faction of a millimeter (bid deal) from the phone's thickness, and/or maybe we get a second (or better) speaker because they want us to believe we need some kind of so-called “stereo sound”. It’s pathetic!

Give us back the 3.5mm jack and keep your second/improved speaker. We don’t need a so-called stereo in our pockets.

This would be a good argument but you've ignored the fact that Bluetooth is the open standard which they are moving towards, not lightning. Lightning is just a cheap cop-out way of them not having to bundle some bluetooth headphones. imo Apple should demonstrate that they believe in bluetooth as a standard by shipping this phone with 'AirPods'. They wont because those margin's staying high will always be Apple's priority under Cook.

 

[happosai]

Hopefully the piano black finish will have less noticable antenna lines compared to the other colors...hopefully not white lines...

^^ Imagine all the scratches that piano black finish will get.

 

[Tompkinson]

Human relationships are very different since active one to one communication is rewarder with direct reaction.

Fair enough, thanks for your reply.

 

[kentsydney]

The 8 in the Galaxy's IP68 certification literally means that it can handle being under water, while the 6 means it's dust proof.

I would think that the iPhone and Samsung have the same water resistance but Apple most probably only had it certified for ipx7 whereas it may well be capable of more. But claiming any more would be risky ad people would take their phones underwater to take photos and even s fraction of a % failure rate is a big deal - most likely using nano coatings applied to the pcb's to repel rather plus seals

 

[macintoshmac]

Well you just lost that gamble and your point. The original 30-pin Dock included with the iPhone had a 3.5mm pass through jack, as did every dock they ever sold for the iPhone. Albeit the original dock did not need a DAC and amp, as the 30-pin connector output analogue natively.

Holy crap, this is a discussion forum, not a competition or gamble to lose.

I said "while I don't know about the previous dock..". I happily stand corrected by anyone who can enrich my knowledge about something I am unsure of or don't know and want to know!

 

[Tompkinson]

The water resistance feature is neat, but I can't picture myself taking it into the shower and if I dropped it off the side of a boat it's going to disappear forever anyways. About the only thing I see that it's good for is if you dropped it in the toilet.

These are the only scenarios you can imagine for a device getting wet?
Stream, downpour, glass of mineral water, kitchen sink, etc

 

[Swordylove]

The new features sound awesome. I think people are going to forgive/forget the ugly appearance. After all, they can just buy a pretty case - problem solved.

 

[Abazigal]

Cases are already appearing in shops. Either seems legit, or the manufacturers got linked big time.

 

[anomie]

And you're going to put it in a case

Transparent case..

 

[BruceEBonus]

Give Apple credit. When it comes to making excuses for releasing a lacklustre 'new' phone - they do make a pretty good case. And it's in Space Black this time!

 

[anomie]

If you can't innovate or design then repaint it in new colors.

Blah blah, what is there to innovate?

 

[Abazigal]

If you can't innovate or design then repaint it in new colors.

And it works!

 

[Yakibomb]

I wonder what the tele camera focal length will be. I currently carry an advance point-and-shoot camera to concerts with me (they won't let you in with any interchangeable lens cameras to concerts here in the US anymore at any major venue, unless you have a press pass).. However, if my phone had a tele lens, not the 32mm lens in my 6+, I might consider leaving the point-and-shoot camera at home, as image quality would be not great on either, and they definitely let everyone with their phones into concerts. If they can manage to somehow include 100mm lens in there, it would be awesome!

I don't think the focal length on the tele lens will be that long. They'll probably pair the 32mm with a 50mm, at most an 85mm equivalent.

 

[dumastudetto]

But you are missing the point. Apple can be fully confident in switch to Lightning and wireless without being oblivious to their customers needs and wants to continue to use some legacy 3.5 equipment. To provide them an adapter is a nice gesture that recognizes reality of transition period

You could have applied that logic to many of Apple's previous decisions where they didn't bundle legacy dongles and/or adapters. By not bundling, you hasten the demise of the legacy stuff.