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Yes, why not?

I have zero doubts. It will very likely be more secure.

You ignored the second half of my comment...their face detection algorithms suck in a totally static picture, let alone in the real world when I may change my facial hair, have glasses on, be making a strange face, etc. Why can’t my brother (or identical twin if I had one) get into my phone since face detection always confuses us?
 
I wonder why is all of this in a firmware designed for Homepod? When homepod doesn't have any of these features... nor unable to do facial with.

If what we are seeing is Homepod is a replacement for iPhone because of these.

It's completely normal in the software world.

It is much easier for apple to just take iOS and install it in the homepod and turn of the features it would not use than write or cherry pick only parts of iOS that it needs for the homepod.
 
The fingerprint-under-screen reader you're referring to was a prototype- a rather slow one from the reports- and not ready for a consumer phone.

Just because Apple has tons of money doesn't mean they can magically make an immature technology instantly available.

The fact that they *didn't* put it in the 8 makes it clear that this tech isn't ready yet, at least not up to Apple's standards.

Maybe that’s true, but Apple doesn’t get excused for selling an inferior UX because they couldn’t get the tech ready in time.
 
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@Infiniverse48. I borrowed a quote from one of your previous posts. It seems appropriately fitting for you:

"An opinion can't be incorrect." In my case in terms of what I quoted, that's what's I believe.....Which doesn't make it incorrect or you being correct. That's called a conundrum. Also, I'd rather much have a discussion about a valid argument, not some personal preference that you're telling me without having any substantial evidence stating otherwise. It's just rather daft to be honest .

Furthermore, I have a difficult time taking your post(s) seriously on here after the post you made about the rocker style home button on the side of iPhone weeks back. Some things you state just don't add up at all on here. But I understand Being myopic can be a trait if you believe everything you quote without factual evidence.
I've never said 'an opinion can't be incorrect'. You should really pay attention to context. I was specifically quoting and repeating someone when I typed that. I then proceeded to destroy his rationale that an opinion cannot be incorrect. 99.9% of opinions throughout time have been incorrect. That's called a hypothesis and virtually all hypotheses are not fully correct.

Understand?

Lmao Apple has done a rocker style button many times. Just so you're informed. And by the way, I feel so so sorry for the guys that say 'Apple is working to remove buttons'. No. Apple is NOT working to remove the physical buttons on the SIDE of the device. Anyone REMOTELY intelligent knows exactly why those will remain physical buttons.

I'll explain it for you anyway though:

iPhone control when in the pocket. When in the dark. For those with handicaps. For software resetting. For the purposes of being INCAPABLE of adding Taptic engines toward the top of the device where the buttons are. See a Taptic response at the bottom is worthless for buttons at the top.

Thanks for your understanding
 
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You ignored the second half of my comment...their face detection algorithms suck in a totally static picture, let alone in the real world when I may change my facial hair, have glasses on, be making a strange face, etc. Why can’t my brother (or identical twin if I had one) get into my phone since face detection always confuses us?

No I haven't. It's that you don't understand how Apple's implementation works. And, a static two dimension photograph will not work.
 
You ignored the second half of my comment...their face detection algorithms suck in a totally static picture, let alone in the real world when I may change my facial hair, have glasses on, be making a strange face, etc. Why can’t my brother (or identical twin if I had one) get into my phone since face detection always confuses us?
One thing is to scan a 2D image and using an algorithm to extrapolate datapoints aka photo app faces.

A totally diferente world is to measure 3d data points from a 3d sensing infrared camera feed and compare them to the 3d model of your facial features.

Your line of thought is the same as comparing a photocopy of your thumb with your real thumb and expecting Touch ID wouldn’t work, because anyone can copy your finger or whatever.
 
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One thing is to scan a 2D image and using an algorithm to extrapolate datapoints other is to measure 3d data points from a 3d sensing camera feed and compare them to the 3d model of the facial features of the device owner.
I don't care, I'm still not getting into a driverless car speeding down freeway at 70 MPH. How many times has you phone, iPad, computer frozen up? Think about it.
 
I still don't like the idea of someone quickly grabbing your phone point it towards you and run off with it.

For instance say you have private stuff of yourself. Maybe nudes, some sort of porn as I'm sure most Men do, but also have private financial stuff like logging into your Chase account. SO your driving and the passenger grabs your phone and points it at your face quickly as I'm sure it will unlock in less than a second. What are you now supposed to do. Pull over?
Or say its a jealous girlfriend or a gold digger looking for dirt on you.

So what are we supposed to do if the owner doesn't need a physical contact with the phone to unlock it or go to locked apps like I use TouchID to log into my banks app.

Face unlocky thingy can NOT be the only way to unlock ones phone. It's way too easy for your stuff to be compromised as opposed to grabbing your hand and placing a finger on the screen.

Hasn't a company already made a under screen finger print reader? I'm sure I read it on here not too long ago. So why can't Apple do so with the amount of money they have?
As soon as they turn the phone around to use the phone, it will lock because it detects the correct user is no longer using it.
 
One thing is to scan a 2D image and using an algorithm to extrapolate datapoints other is to measure 3d data points from a 3d sensing camera feed and compare them to the 3d model of the facial features of the device owner.

It is like you are comparing the real digital prints that unlock your iPhone with a black and white photocopy of your finger and expect to be able to unlock the phone, which It doesn’t.

Perhaps...why, then, can Samsung’s and Microsoft’s implementations be fooled by a photograph? I love Apple as much as anyone but I find it hard to believe they’ve made it many times better. And what about identical twins? Or even siblings that look very much alike? The whole thing seems very questionable to me...but I guess we’ll see what happens in September.
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No I haven't. It's that you don't understand how Apple's implementation works. And, a static two dimension photograph will not work.

Nobody here understands how Apple’s implementation works since they haven’t announced it yet...
 
So how much of all these mock outrage is going to be proven invalid once the iPhone is released?

Apple isn't perfect, but my experience with Touch ID has shown that Apple can and will sweat the details when it comes to something as crucial as security on your phone.
 
Perhaps...why, then, can Samsung’s and Microsoft’s implementations be fooled by a photograph? I love Apple as much as anyone but I find it hard to believe they’ve made it many times better. And what about identical twins? Or even siblings that look very much alike? The whole thing seems very questionable to me...but I guess we’ll see what happens in September.
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Nobody here understands how Apple’s implementation works since they haven’t announced it yet...
Obviously because it is not the same implementation...

Although we really have no idea of what we are talking about...don’t for a single moment think you are more clever than the biggest consumer electronics company in the world.

Every problem that can cross your mind surely has been worked out. If it isn’t, obviously Apple won’t implement It...

And identical twins are not identical...The fact that we can’t easily notice a difference doesn’t mean they aren’t different.
The distance between there eyes varies as many other features that can easily be measured just not seen upfront.
 
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Obviously because it is not the same implementation...

Although we really have no idea of what we are talking about...don’t for a single moment think you are more clever than the biggest consumer electronics company in the world.

Every problem that can cross your mind surely has been worked out. If it isn’t, obviously Apple wouldn’t implement It...

And identical twins are not identical...The fact that we can’t easily notice a difference doesn’t mean they are different.
The distance between there eyes varies as many other features that can easily be measured just not seen upfront.

Of course nobody knows, but it’s certainly worthy discussing. Apple has made mistakes in the past and will certainly make mistakes in the future, so while I don’t think I’m more clever I also don’t think they’re perfect.

As for the last part, care to cite a source? Identical twins are formed from the same cell and contain identical DNA. As time goes on they tend to age and be affected by their environments differently, but they are typically born precisely the same. Surely there are sets of “identical” twins with subtly different faces, but the vast majority are physically indistinguishable.
 
Perhaps...why, then, can Samsung’s and Microsoft’s implementations be fooled by a photograph? I love Apple as much as anyone but I find it hard to believe they’ve made it many times better. And what about identical twins? Or even siblings that look very much alike? The whole thing seems very questionable to me...but I guess we’ll see what happens in September.
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Nobody here understands how Apple’s implementation works since they haven’t announced it yet...


Recognition is performed based on a captured 3 dimensional image whose many facial metrics are compared with previously stored 3-d facial feature sets. It's not rocket science. And it will be more secure than fingerprint TouchId.

With respect to twins... Even monozygotic twins are not identical in all aspects; fingerprints being an example. Subtle non-genetic features are developed over time based based upon environmental factors. Some are cast during pregnancy.

If Samsung and Microsoft facial recognition tech can be fooled by a photograph it is not very sophisticated.
 
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I don't care, I'm still not getting into a driverless car speeding down freeway at 70 MPH. How many times has you phone, iPad, computer frozen up? Think about it.

Don’t worry about that, if you are not to old you will still live to the day when selfdriving cars are the only legal option.

Probably driving is the riskest activity that normal people do.

So, when autonomous vehicles are statistically safer than a person, nany state will get sure you won’t hurt yourself or the ones that surround you.

Pessimisticaly, I would give 7 years for the technology to get to that point (which already is but has to be tested for a lot more time)
10 years on top of that for autonomous cars to be prevalent on big city’s.

After that is just a question of when...but it would be the next logical step for a nany state.
 
Until until they point it at you? Yeah, seems like an unlikely scenario. o_O

Incorrect.

Face ID apparently auto-locks the phone intermittently if the person using it isn't recognized, possibly quietly scanning each time a new app is opened. So it's actually safer in this regard, because Touch ID can't keep asking you to place your finger on the phone constantly, but Face ID can intermittently authenticate you as you use it.

For sharing your phone with others, my best guess is there will be a share mode, perhaps accessible in control center or the new function bar. You tap it, enter your passcode, and pass it to a friend or your kids. But I'm not an Apple engineer and perhaps they had a better idea.

Of course the tradeoff being that for the 95% of the time you aren't passing your phone to a friend, like I was saying, with Face ID you need to take zero actions for your phone to instantly authenticate your identity when it's needed. It's much more efficient. Most of the time when you pass your phone to somebody you have to authenticate for them anyway.
 
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