You realize that company is a faction of the engineering that went into their methodology right? You think Apple just bought that company and threw the tech in? Laughable.
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iPhone 8 Infrared Face Detection and General Device Design Revealed in HomePod Firmware
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Apple has thought this through? You mean, like the Mac OS Finder windows that do not automatically adjust column widths so you can see full filenames (while at the same time having no system setting that allow one to specify this as the default Finder window behaviour as an option)? This has been the case for more than 15 years, and even a summer intern could have rectified this in a month...
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So two things we can almost confirm. The iPhone 8 looks like the mockups, and TouchID is probably gone in favour of face detection. Interesting.
It won't unlock because I just heard this:
Apple built in a new feature, AppleNanoBots will fly off from a tiny hole inside the lightning port, they will grab/mine a tiny bit from your skin, on their way back they analyse your DNA, others will invade your brain to analyse if you gave permission to unlock, the whole process will be finished within 100 nano seconds.
I'm torn, because we have seen face detection from other companies who claim they allow you to teach the phone *some* sunglasses under specific circumstances if they are not to heavy on the tint and so on. Doesn't really work reliably.
The problem with that is...
It would be worthless if it doesn't work with sunglasses but at the same time, IF IT DOES, how secure can it be?
(compared to TouchID)
I don't think you could claim unlocking a phone with a face wearing sunglasses is AS SECURE as a fingerprint.
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It doesn't matter if it's a hard requirement or not. What you fail to get is that banks signed and gave Apple good deals on % specifically due to the security of the iPhone in general but Touch ID specifically. They're well aware that the overwhelming vast majority of transactions are performed with Touch ID.
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Like that.Not at all. It just furthers the debate, which I'm fine with. I'm half tempted to disable my TouchID to see if Apple Pay still works
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I tried it. You were right. Although I didn't go to a terminal and attempt to pay, it does appear to allow a passcode, since TouchID was disabled.
Before disabling TouchID ...and After
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The phone is 5mm taller and 3mm wider than the iPhone 7. It is tremendously smaller than the iPhone 7 Plus.
The phone has about a 5.2" display area where you'll actually see apps and things. Pretend it's just a 5.2" display of your current device. Now, it has an additional 0.6" of screen area which is black and has elements inside it like the Touchbar MacBook Pro. The 5.2" display area will highly likely be 16:9.
OK, this might seem facetious, but it is the truth: Even paying with your phone is caveman-like compared to swiping your watch.
Given the graphic shows the cutout, I think it may be more pronounced than that?
Of course it matters, they are well aware a PIN can be used and they are happy with it. If they weren't then the deals wouldn't have gone through. They didn't calculate "well only "X" amount of transactions will be used with a PIN who cares if they're insecure". Remember these are the same banks who issue debit and credit cards that can be used with a PIN.
How secure can it be? Maybe ask experts on facial structure and infrared and 3D computer modeling. Sunglasses would merely lower the points of reference the computer would get and therefore it would lower the security some. However, Touch ID is 1/50,000 false positive according to Apple (maybe it's better now), while this could be superior to that even with glasses on, potentially.
Wow, I can't remember the last time MacRumors actually had a real solid rumor/piece of news. Assuming this is real and really from the firmware this is pretty massive. One that they at least have the face scanner tech ready to go. Of course apple may decide to delay it if not perfect in time but clearly will be available at some point. But more importanty the design of the new iPhone 8, albeit just a shape appears to be confirmed unless Apple added that on purpose just to throw people off. Of course it's not surprisingly since that is the design people have rumored for a while since really only one way to go almost to the edge and still have a speaker, and no finger button.
I still wonder where the time will go, that will be replaced with the speaker earpiece.
I still wonder where the time will go, that will be replaced with the speaker earpiece.
A PIN is secure. 1/10,000 chance of guessing correctly and after a few failed attempts you're done. The point is they are well aware that Touch ID will be used on 99% of transactions and it is 1/50,000 false positive. They understand these numbers.
Firstly, I'm not sure how excited people should get over something we already knew to be coming with over 95% confidence....
Secondly, the time will go where it always has, in the dead center, along with the rest of the status bar directly below the cutout. The corners will be used for other, new, elements. The status bar cannot fit in the corners, people need to realize that.
Apples to oranges. This will be a key feature of their premium handset of their most popular product- the iPhone. And again, it's also apparently replacing touch ID which means getting it right is even more important.
You're right that Apple doesn't think *everything* through (or they just don't care) but I'm addressing the people that honestly think Apple won't have considered night time or people wearing things on their head.
Actually if I'm just using Apple Pay I rarely look at my phone. Queue up, phone in pocket, pull out, finger on Touch ID and place straight onto the device.
Same for the tube. Honestly I don't see the crowds at rush hour reacting very well to anyone using Apple Pay looking at their phones first before touching on the reader.
I would like to think this is all thought of by Apple though.
Please EDUCATE YOURSELF and don't just post marketing b.s.
AuthenTec worked HARD on TouchID and YES, Apple BOUGHT IT for half a billion and put it into the iPhone a few months later.
Which, again, is fine with me. But don't rewrite history.
Learn more here: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...-shows-off-early-prototype-of-apples-touch-id
"When AuthenTec came out with their final product, the company generated interest from a number of customers, including Apple, Motorola and Fujitsu. Apple, in particular, "ate it up," Moody said, and eventually bought the entire company in 2012 for $356 million.
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"We had a great team of engineers —which I think is highlighted by the fact that Apple kept the engineering team""
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"We had a great team of engineers —which I think is highlighted by the fact that Apple kept the engineering team""
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Please stop using that 99% figure. It's just plain wrong. The vast majority of customers still use their debit/credit cards when making purchases. And as @WatchFromAfar pointed out, banks still use PINs. Here's some info on the different Pays. There's plenty of information out there on Apple Pay usage and market share. It's unnecessary to make up numbers and 99% is the worst number to make up.
Infrared is just another frequency range on the electromagnetic spectrum, like light is. There still needs to be an energy source.The clue's in the Article Headline
Rewrite history? What are you talking about? I didn't say anything about Touch ID. No, though, Apple did not take the Touch ID and simply stick it in either. Absolutely massive engineering efforts brought Touch ID into the iPhone. It had to be incorporated into the home button, it had to be secured with the secure enclave, it had to be tested and revised and tested and revised. You're out of your mind if you think it was simply a matter of buying the company. Did they have the actual scanning tech down? Sure, but the implementation was not.
As for the facial recognition I can guarantee the same. They have multiple companies purchased that get this done. Another one is Primesense.
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What? You actually believe that less than 99% of Apple Pay transactions used Touch ID? Hmmm. Yeah. No.
99% used Touch ID. Not even of question.
Yes, again, that's exactly what they did. It was a finished product to be used in phones before Apple bought it, and the AuthenTec team integrated it into the iPhone after Apple bought it.
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