iPhone 8 Infrared Face Detection and General Device Design Revealed in HomePod Firmware

[Liquid Galaxy]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks you need TouchID to authorise transactions - you don't. Just like you don't have to authorise it from your Apple Watch if you make payments via that device. My own contactless debit card doesn't even need me to authorise a payment in any way other than holding the card up against the reader. TouchID is not required and is not a big deal if it's removed...in my opinion at least.

 

[X--X]

Learn more here: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...-shows-off-early-prototype-of-apples-touch-id

 

[WatchFromAfar]

Well, that didn’t take long! Haha

It won't be the last....

 

[cjbryce]

I really hope they manage to retain TouchID on the front of the device, however, if they don't then TouchID on the rear of the device (perhaps where turning the Apple logo into the sensor?) combined with facial recognition ("FaceID", yeucchh) is next best. There's a few issues, granted but...

The real-world use cases that I can (quickly) think of where having no TouchID at all would be mightily inconvenient:-

Paying for stuff via ApplePay/card reader

The model of ApplePay on the Apple Watch is possibly a path Apple may follow if TouchID is no longer present - double click, face scan, ApplePay ready for transaction for 5 seconds or so.

Paying for stuff via ApplePay/web site

No too horrible really, just pick up the phone to validate.

Unlocking iPhone without picking it up

I'm stumped

I'm sure there are more use cases, but I'll leave it for now and go to concentrate on work

 

[Dave245]

This is great news, i like the look of the rumoured iPhone 8, seems like Apple have confirmed this themselves now (i think it was done on purpose) This new design is great. The "Face ID" feature is going to be great, it will work in the dark that's why there are so many sensors on the new design at the top of the device. Touch ID will eventually be replaced by this technology (if it isn't completely in the 8). Roll on September when they announce it, will the Apple event be held the first week in September i wonder or later in the month?

 

[icanhazapple]

In the absence of Touch ID, all someone needs to do to unlock your phone is pick it up and point it, with the screen facing you. Genius.

 

[9594864]

Learn more here: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...-shows-off-early-prototype-of-apples-touch-id

Maybe read my comment where I specifically said they bought the scanning tech, but they had to engineer it into the iPhone.

 

[ineedamac]

What about those of us who wear a head covering or who cannot always look at the phone while opening it?

What would happen if outside in the sun and I'm wearing sunglasses? Do I have to take my sunglasses off to allow my phone to scan my face to open?

 

[9594864]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks you need TouchID to authorise transactions - you don't. Just like you don't have to authorise it from your Apple Watch if you make payments via that device. My own contactless debit card doesn't even need me to authorise a payment in any way other than holding the card up against the reader. TouchID is not required and is not a big deal if it's removed...in my opinion at least.

Go watch the Apple Pay demo video then come back and tell us it isn't a big deal. The entire point of Apple Pay is that it is astronomically faster and more secure than a card. Touch ID gets you that speed. If you had to type every time, far, far fewer would use it.

 

[Liquid Galaxy]

In the absence of Touch ID, all someone needs to do to unlock your phone is pick it up and point it, with the screen facing you. Genius.

I don't see any kind of real world scenario where that would happen though - apart from maybe if you're getting mugged in the street in which case it probably doesn't matter whether it was TouchID or face recognition...

 

[9594864]

What would happen if outside in the sun and I'm wearing sunglasses? Do I have to take my sunglasses off to allow my phone to scan my face to open?

Apple forgot to think of this

 

[kdarling]

That's true but Apple had nothing to do with the development of Touch ID.

They just bought AuthenTec, it's their invention, they developed it (and continue to inside Apple).

Moreover, everyone else had been sharing AuthenTec as a sensor supplier since long before Apple ever thought of making a phone.

So everyone would've also gotten access to AuthenTec's improved version.

But Apple couldn't stand that idea. So they bought AuthenTec partly in order to lock everyone else out.

 

[thebeans]

So the cutout on the top is final. Hope Apple make it like this on the white front.

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Yep. I'm going to guess their will not be a white iPhone model. Having that cutout in white would be quite hideous. And there is so little front showing in the new design, it's kind of pointless. I see them all being black with different colored backs.

 

[Dave245]

What would happen if outside in the sun and I'm wearing sunglasses? Do I have to take my sunglasses off to allow my phone to scan my face to open?

I'm sure Apple will of thought about this along with a million other events! Also it's Face ID so it wouldn't necessarily need to read your eyes!

 

[Liquid Galaxy]

Go watch the Apple Pay demo video then come back and tell us it isn't a big deal. The entire point of Apple Pay is that it is astronomically faster and more secure than a card. Touch ID gets you that speed. If you had to type every time, far, far fewer would use it.

My point is, why do you need it at all...? Simply a double click on the power button or something similar to activate it, then hold your phone to the reader, job done. Why do you need to do anything else? Phones aren't ATM's, they don't NEED to be more secure than your average contactless Debit / Credit Card. For bigger online purchases, then of course more security would be required, and in that case I'm sure the facial recognition would do the job.

 

[Dave245]

Yep. I'm going to guess their will not be a white iPhone model. Having that cutout in white would be quite hideous. And there is so little front showing in the new design, it's kind of pointless. I see them all being black with different colored backs.

This! The front will need to be black but the backs could be different colours, I think the jet black iPhone 7 and 7 Plus was Apple testing the waters. I wonder how it would look with a black front but a red back for example.

 

[69Mustang]

What? You actually believe that less than 99% of Apple Pay transactions used Touch ID? Hmmm. Yeah. No.

99% used Touch ID. Not even of question.

Can you source that or are you just going to continually claim it in the hopes that it somehow becomes factual?

Also you claimed that banks gave Apple special rates specifically because of Touch ID. I'm guessing you can source that too.

It's okay to have opinions, but trying to pass those opinions off as fact is not okay. Emphatically stating your opinion is not an adequate substitute for factual information.

 

[9594864]

My point is, why do you need it at all...? Simply a double click on the power button or something similar to activate it, then hold your phone to the reader, job done. Why do you need to do anything else? Phones aren't ATM's, they don't NEED to be more secure than your average contactless Debit / Credit Card. For bigger online purchases, then of course more security would be required, and in that case I'm sure the facial recognition would do the job.

Then you could grab any iPhone and pay with no security.

 

[ColdShadow]

Have to wait and see..
If touch-id is missing it will be a big step backwards for sure.
The design itself based on this article is not exciting at all when compared to Samsung S8 and clearly looks inferior.

 

[RogerWilco]

This could potentially be better than TouchID if implemented right. No problems with wet fingers etc.

Isn't this IR selfie kludge Apple's Plan B? OTOH we can be sure that Tim Cook tested it in the shower, so it's good to go, gold.

 

[Liquid Galaxy]

Then you could grab any iPhone and pay with no security.

You could grab any contactless card and pay with no security - just be more careful?

 

[9594864]

Can you source that or are you just going to continually claim it in the hopes that it somehow becomes factual?

Also you claimed that banks gave Apple special rates specifically because of Touch ID. I'm guessing you can source that too.

It's okay to have opinions, but trying to pass those opinions of as fact is not okay. Emphatically stating your opinion is not an adequate substitute for factual information.

I'm going off of the logic that anyone above a 100 IQ would get from their brain. Virtually every single Apple Pay transaction uses Touch ID. Just how many people do you believe ignore the simplicity of resting their finger on the home button for less than a second, to stop, tap the Pay with passcode and type that passcode in? How many do you believe do that?

I don't have data, and I don't need data on something so obvious. I also don't have data on how many people in the US use toilet paper, but logic says 99%.
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You could grab any contactless card and pay with no security - just be more careful?

Never happening so no reason to discuss it really. Apple Pay will always use security

 

[Glideslope]

I wonder how facial detection will work (if at all) in low light situations. I can't see how it would be much use.

I'm curious if it will work with Ethan Hunt.
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Personally, if there is only face detection and no Touch ID on the new phone I plan to hold on to my 7 Plus another year. No interest in swiping my face for Apple Pay.

Agreed. It will either be an Apollo 11 moment or the Titanic.

 

[sully54]

I wonder how facial detection will work (if at all) in low light situations. I can't see how it would be much use.

Edit: asked and answered.

 

[nathan_393]

Question, has anyone bought an iPhone 7 or is planning to between now and September?

My wife needed a new phone. She doesn't care about latest and greatest. We got her a 7 this weekend.