iPhone ad rapped as 'misleading'

elgruga said:
Have you looked at the UK lately? Its a country based entirely on lies and deceit, for crying out loud.
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You must get a really close look from Canada... :rolleyes:


And what country isn't based on lies and deceit?


*continues laughing at thread, awaits it being closed* :rolleyes:



macgruder said:
Hold on - I've just spotted you're in Canada. Assuming you're Canadian, the Queen is your head of state too - Canada being a Constitution Monarchy and all :D
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I was waiting for someone to pick up on that... Hehe.
 
jfanning said:
Has anyone complained about other vendors misrepresenting their products?
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Not that I'm aware of, but I'm pretty sure that an actual example is not necessary for a hypothetical scenario to be useful. Just a little what-if analysis, that's all.
 
Good for the ASA, Apple should be more careful.

Ads shouldn't be misleading, and they shouldn't expect people to be super tech-savvy when making such broad claims. I've had friends try to navigate straight to flash sites on my iphone when trying it out without knowing it wouldn't do it, they just assume it will - in part because of hype and adverts like these.

It's not nit-picking either. Lots of ads here have small print at the bottom - Apple could have easily avoided this by putting some down there.

Looking forward to flash support.. :)
 
it has nothing to do with what you think about flash or java, its simply about a misleading ads that very likely harm end users. Yes, its as simple as that. No need to defend indefensible, apple apologists.
 
elgruga said:
Sorry to be harsh, but you cant be serious, can you?

Have you looked at the UK lately? Its a country based entirely on lies and deceit, for crying out loud.

These little advertising standards games are to make you think everything is rosy, while they gently take away all your rights.

Keep it up Brits - the guys in the black uniforms are taking away your Granny, but at least you arent being abused by nasty Apple Inc. and their outrageous claims for the iPhone.
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I agree that civil liberties are being eroded in the UK. That doesn't make what the ASA did wrong.
And to be fair you can't think that this would distract people from the civil liberties they are losing, on the grounds that most people wont hear or in any way know about this.
 
Whether you need Flash or you don't, it is still misleading. Now that is gone, when can we get to the part that is "twice as fast on a 3G" BS? The "twice as fast" is correct for the battery drain on 3g though.
 
jfanning said:
Has anyone complained about other vendors misrepresenting their products?
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Yes. I have. I wrote a complaint about a PC World advert that claimed a P4 processor made the internet faster. The complaint was upheld and the advert was banned.

I am also waiting to see the 2x faster iPhone advert so I can cite a specific channel and time to write a complaint about that - because the on-screen demo during that advert suggests a rapidity and responsiveness that the iPhone simply does not have. Like the 'whole internet' claim - it's intentionally missleading and oversells the abilities of the device.

When I see ads about things I understand, that are intentionally missleading - I will write to the ASA. I hope that people who know about other product types will do the same. ******** marketting is wrong. Selling by lying is wrong.
 
So many of you people need a slap! Why on earth are they only talking about themselves: 'oh, I don't need flash coz I don't visit flash pages' and 'oh, I knew it didn't support flash before I bought it' GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD! IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, ITS ABOUT THE STRICT RULES OF ADVERTISING AND THEY HAVE BROKEN THEM AS THEY ADVERTISED MISLEADINGLY!

Again.....NOT about you!

and.....rant over.
 
pohl said:
Not that I'm aware of, but I'm pretty sure that an actual example is not necessary for a hypothetical scenario to be useful. Just a little what-if analysis, that's all.
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In other words you are just upset because Apple got told off for doing something wrong?
 
tucker101uk said:
I rest my case Macgruder.

Elgruga, Try finding out the facts before you post, because 99% of what you just posted is fictitious.
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Er, sorry to rain on your parade, but it happens to be fact.

42 days detention - FACT.
Habeas Corpus - not a part of UK law anymore.
Original Magana Carta rights - almost history. (thats a joke.)
A variety of local councils, and other groups have had the power to snoop on emails etc. for some time.
English people have NO Charter of Rights, thats why they are always going to the European Courts.
English people are Subjects of the unelected Queen.
In 2002 there were 4.2 million CCTV cameras in the UK - I assume there are MANY more now.

I do not wish to, nor have I, said anything about English people per se; I am just stating that the source of this complaint, and the milieu it emerges from, is an important part of understanding the banning of an ad.

I will admit that I am using this forum, as a long time Mac user, to state some FACTS that might not often be stated. Are they strictly Apple related?
Well, perhaps not.

I guess we all need to have our 0.10c, right?
 
oxigeno5 said:
As I read the comments in this thread, I was amazed to see how close headed people can be. Come on people this is a very simple matter Apple Inc just like
many other companies in the past marketed a misleading or exaggerated message about the their product (the iPhone). There is no need to start bringing
ignorant replies like "at least apple is educating the european" or that the competitors' phone don't offer flash either. Is not about that is about a mistake that need to be fix and thats all. Becuase if you say to any common folk, "all the parts of the internet are on the iPhone." they'll assume that all their content will be available, becuase the key word in the statement is "ALL THE PARTS" and like it or not Flash and Java are parts of the internet.
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I think you're focusing on the right elements of the issue here. I agree with your post with the exception of your final statement of:

"like it or not Flash and Java are parts of the internet."

I think this point is debatable, and ultimately, that's really what this whole issue can be distilled into. It's arguable that the internet is made up of certain core technologies/standards and that there are also some additional technologies that aren't really a part of the internet, but more like supplemental enhancements to it. I don't deny that many sites have been designed with the assumption that the user has those enhancements, but simply because this is the case doesn't necessitate including those enhancements as members of the core.

I simply don't know enough about how these standards get made, who makes them and what the delineations are between the various technologies to really have a personal opinion one way or another.
 
Can't watch the video...

Of course I can't watch the video on my iPhone... Since it doesn't have Flash. The UK ASA has a totally valid point. The iPhone itself is misleading. It can't do half of the stuff other smart phones were able to do for years now and Apple wants to call Flash a Third Party? Come on Flash is as part of the WWW as HTML is now. Since Apple can't make money off of Adobe Flash they choose not to use it. BS!
How about MobileMe's Push Email Misleading... They got to get their act together and start giving us what we want.
Look at the Samsung's Instinct Commercial. If it was on an unlocked network it would dethrone the iPhone in 5 minutes.
What's so hard about Real GPS, real Camera, Real Video and Real Internet with ALL plugins??? Everybody else is doing it.
 
djellison said:
When I see ads about things I understand, that are intentionally missleading - I will write to the ASA. I hope that people who know about other product types will do the same. ******** marketting is wrong. Selling by lying is wrong.
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That sums it up...
 
jfanning said:
Has anyone complained about other vendors misrepresenting their products?

I'm not sure about the UK, but I know that in other countries similar bodies will look at the whole industry if they get similar complaints about multiple vendors
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I'm not sure of the specifics but 2458 adverts were pulled or changed last year by the ASA
 
macgruder said:
Hold on - I've just spotted you're in Canada. Assuming you're Canadian, the Queen is your head of state too - Canada being a Constitution Monarchy and all :D
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Yes, I am appalled every time I look at the old lady on my money, BUT, Canada is a Parliamentary Democracy, and the Queen of England is no longer the Head of State.

Thanks to Trudeau we have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and the Head of State is the Prime Minister (elected).

Canadians are Citizens, not subjects. Ask anyone in Quebec!

There is a bloody silly Governor General, but its a ceremonial role only.


Australia, however, still suffers under this nonsense, I believe.
 
statikcat said:
Statements like this make me hate Apple. They basically belittle jAVA and FLASH as if it is just some small third party technology.
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That's because they ARE third-party technologies. Flash is not required to make a website run, and if it is, then the website was badly designed. Do you want to start blaming Apple for badly designed websites, too?
 
jfanning said:
In other words you are just upset because Apple got told off for doing something wrong?
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No, I'm not in the least bit upset. Long before the iPhone, I was hip to the distinction between open standards and proprietary plugins. I don't find the ad misleading in the least bit, and think that in order for one to perceive it as misleading one would need to be ignorant of the aforementioned distinction. And I don't mean "ignorant" in an insulting way, but in a dispassionate way: recognizing someone's lack of awareness or knowledge. That lack can be remedied. I'm not optimistic that it will, but I'm surely not upset about it, either. No need to project.
 
Mo' Money for Web Designers

I think this is awesome (No Flash on the iPhone) --- when Flash came out, all of the rich biz folk HAD to have it for their sites (whole sites with as much jazz you can sling at it)... so I built it for them. Now, when the rich biz man can't access his website on his new iPhone, he calls me up again "WHY CAN'T I SEE MY #$%&@ WEBSITE ON MY IPHONE" -- "well, Apple doesn't support Flash".

And then it's mo' money for me. Back to standards, as I build him website #2.

Ba da da da, I'm lovin' it.*

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*thanks McDonald's
 
If it will make all the outraged Apple fan boys a bit happier here is a list of adjudications the ASA released today 27 August 2008:

* Apple (UK) Ltd
* Church & Dwight UK Ltd
* Direct Line Group Ltd
* European Timeshare Owners Organisation (Gibraltar) Ltd t/a ETOO
* Licensed Taxi Drivers Association Ltd
* MacBackpackers Ltd
* National Policing Improvement Agency
* Northern & Shell plc t/a OK! Magazine
* PPV Retail Ltd t/a Fortnums
* Sholley Trolleys Ltd

And would you believe it, even Microsoft got the short end of the ASA stick last year…

Oh, and don't worry, Apple is not being unfairly victimised by being listed first… :rolleyes: it is done alphabetically.
;)
 
ppdix said:
Come on Flash is as part of the WWW as HTML is now.
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This is absolutely not true. Try to make a Flash page without using HTML. The standards of the Web are defined by the Web Standards Organisation and Flash is not part of that standard. (This is independent of the issue of this ad where Apple uses the word 'internet' anyway).
ppdix said:
Since Apple can't make money off of Adobe Flash they choose not to use it. BS!
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This is total speculation. Most likely totally wrong.

ppdix said:
What's so hard about Real GPS, real Camera, Real Video and Real Internet with ALL plugins??? Everybody else is doing it.
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Well no they're not. I've barely come across a phone that is usable for the web apart from the iPhone. The flash stuff crashes the browser, takes an eternity to load or is invisible. And that happens on every page that has a flash ad rendering much of the web itself unusable. Don't inflate your arguments with peacock BS.
 
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