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At the end of a day, I typically have around 40% battery left doing normal things. I have the 12 Mini that's almost 3 years old in November. It gets the job done. I loved the small form factor because I wear scrubs and keep it in my back pocket. Never liked larger phones that bulge out or you can't easily sleep in your pocket.
 
I think he means if you're not using massive amounts of screen time, you must be a filthy casual. Odd thing to flex on.

My wife and I traveled to Europe, with a 12 mini and 13 mini. We did fine. No battery anxiety. We did all the smart phone things; navigation, camera, translation, Kindle reading, messaging, emails, pay parking fees, pay restaurant checks, etc.
But according to this guy, we didn't smartphone enough I guess. :rolleyes:
Yeah, I don’t get it. This phone (13 mini) is my (for most of things) paying device, communicator (in different ways), camera, music / entertainment zone, organizer and planner, and navigator. All the things a smart phone is used for… I can imagine they have different standards than me, but my smart phone is my Swiss Army knife for my daily tasks and those days when I have my ultimate getaway and so far, it’s great to have this lil‘ buddy around with me.
 
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I wonder if they are just using leftover parts from when the 13 was out except for the battery or they continue to order more based on sales. Maybe the supply of parts has dried up and did not see it worthwhile to continue with it
 
A wild idea, but still.

What if Apple discontinue SE2022 tomorrow and replace it with the current 13 mini as it is and dropping its price from the current 599$ to, say, 549$? The SE people will get a much better iPhone and Apple will get more money by increasing the entry price by 50$.

Possible?
 
A wild idea, but still.

What if Apple discontinue SE2022 tomorrow and replace it with the current 13 mini as it is and dropping its price from the current 599$ to, say, 549$? The SE people will get a much better iPhone and Apple will get more money by increasing the entry price by 50$.

Possible?
I would buy it
 
A wild idea, but still.

What if Apple discontinue SE2022 tomorrow and replace it with the current 13 mini as it is and dropping its price from the current 599$ to, say, 549$? The SE people will get a much better iPhone and Apple will get more money by increasing the entry price by 50$.

Possible?
US$549 is still US$120 more than the 2022 iPhone SE base. Maybe, if it was US$499, people would consider it.
 
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The Mini fulfilled its purpose - it let Apple raise the price for the regular iPhone leaving the mini at the "starts from..." price point and it let Apple gauge the demand for the more compact device. I guess they had to commit to two years of the Mini due to how far in advance the phones are designed.

Following they went with the plus which, even if it sells less than the Mini still likely makes more profit due to the higher price. Discontinuing the Mini this year will also remove one of the cheaper iPhones from the line up. Gotta get that average selling price up!

I love the form factor - it's a screen almost as big as the old iPhone Plus models (5.4" vs 5.5") in a body smaller than the current SE. I can see the form factor returning as a future SE model, but as with all SE models, Apple doesn't want it being too popular and dragging down the average selling price.
 
... so? What are you trying to tell me with that? That does not change my statement at all, but have at ya.
Don’t get mad. The truth is Mini makes a lot of compromises to achieve that compact form factor and it makes the market really niche.. too niche in fact for a Mega Brand like Apple.. but I always support diversity so I hope they alternate between a Plus phone and a Mini phone every year so as to keep both kind of customers happy.
 
Apple really screwed up by releasing both the iPhone SE and iPhone Mini at basically the same time.

After I upgraded my iPhone SE (2016) to the 2020 version after a very long wait for another small phone, Apple released the iPhone 12 mini only a few short months later. I wasn't going to be updating again so soon!

And then they released the iPhone 13 mini in September 2021, but my iPhone SE 2020 was still working great and I felt no need to upgrade.

In 2022 they released an incremental iPhone SE 2022 upgrade, which I did get so that I could hand-me-down my iPhone SE 2020 -- which is still working great!

I really don't understand why they released TWO small phones. All things equal I'd have gotten the iPhone 12 mini had it came out before the SE, because it is slightly smaller.
 
For those interested, Mini’s possible future has already been explored at length here:


A brief summary of expressed mini shortcomings is:

1) not good battery life, coupled with bad thermodynamics (not enough space for a decent heat dissipation);

2) it is too expensive for a “small” iPhone (not enough perceived value for most people);

3) give me a mini Pro and I would pay whatever (a few people who choose to ignore the point 1 above);

4) give me a phone I can fit in my pocket and use one-handedly (the pockets argument is funny, however I don’t have a good solution for one-handed use).

For the record, I am a 12 mini user and I like everything about it. However, I also realise that at some point it will need to be replaced and at that moment my options would be:

a) trying to find a new 13 mini (apart from a new bigger battery and slightly better cameras, there is very little to rejoice about compared to 12 mini, IMO). I mean my current 12 mini works well, so I don’t want to buy 13 mini in advance, just in case Apple might surprise us at some point in the future with a sub-6” iPhone;

b) get the latest smallest offering from Apple, which in the near future will probably be iPhone 15 6.1” with all the modern bells & whistles.

For anybody feeling rough about mini’s possible disappearance, do mention it to Apple directly here:


Meantime, let’s see what next week brings! 😉
1. The battery life of the 13 mini is fine. I use mine every day and it's never an issue for day-to-day use. During the week I put it on a dock charger while I work. On the weekends, I charge it once at night. Never run out of power. The only time it's a consideration for me is when my usage habits change, such as when on vacation, where I'll be taking a lot of pictures and video, which will be uploaded for backup. In that situation, I just throw the MagSafe battery pack on the back and I'm good to go.

As someone pointed out earlier, the 13 mini's battery life is the same as the iPhone 11, and no reasonable people complained about its battery life. Moreover, MR forums are full of people complaining that the Pro Max battery life is bad. There is just no pleasing some people.

I will add, though, that I read a lot of people had only used the 12 mini. The 12 mini's battery life is significantly poorer than the 13 mini. I'd go as far to say that if you have only used the 12 mini, try a 13 mini for a week before passing judgement on the battery life. The upgrade to the A15 and increased cell capacity of the 13 mini collectively make a major difference.

2. Nobody complained that the iPhone 12 or 13 was too expensive, but the 12 mini and 13 mini were $100 less expensive than those phones -- yet, somehow everybody complained that they were too expensive. That is simply illogical. The minis were the most affordable devices of the iPhone 12 and 13 series, and had all of the same hardware as the "regular" 12/13 for $100 less. They were a bargain by comparison, not "too expensive." And if you're really looking for a cheaper phone, you should be looking at the SE. It already exists. There was no need to wish for the 12 mini or 13 mini to be another budget phone because Apple already made one, and even updated it right before the 12 mini came out.

3. I've been saying this since the beginning. The fatal flaw with the minis is that most people I knew who were interested in it found the lack of ProMotion, telephoto lens (i.e. not being a "Pro") to be too much of a compromise, and ended up choosing the Pro over the mini to not have to forego the better features. Had Apple simply put in the ProMotion display (which would have also improved battery life by allowing the display to ramp down to 1 Hz refresh) and replaced that useless ultrawide lens with a telephoto one, the 13 mini would have been almost equivalent to the 13 Pro and a great buy, even if priced to match the 13 Pro.

4. Not sure why this is funny. I've had numerous phones, including a failed attempt for a few months to become comfortable with the iPhone 13 Pro, that were obnoxiously heavy and unnecessarily large such that the edge poked me in the side every time I was sitting. The 6.1" phones are simply too large and too heavy for ergonomic use or transport in normal clothes pockets. They defy the name mobile phone. Yet, ironically, it's still a tiny device, comparatively speaking. If you really need more power, get a battery pack. Chances are, like most people I know, they already have one. If you want to watch TV on a device all day long, just use a TV. Or an iPad. Or a Mac or PC. There are at least 3 better solutions than trying to make this particular round peg fit into the square hole. It's baffling why people would prefer to put up with such discomfort just to have a slightly larger display and battery.

Finally, having had both as launch-day devices, I will reiterate the distinctions between the 12 mini and 13 mini for anybody who hasn't experienced both. Especially if you have only ever used the 12 mini, the 13 mini is a real upgrade despite what the specs make it seem like. Not only is the battery life substantially better, the display can get a lot brighter in sunlight for easier viewing (I often struggled with the 12 mini's max brightness in sunlight), and the Qualcomm X60 cellular modem in the 13 mini is a much more capable, power efficient, and future-proof baseband than the 12 mini's X55.

It is a real shame that Apple has chosen to keep forcing everyone toward devices that simply grow in minimum size every 2-3 years while hands and pockets have remained essentially the same for decades. The only flaw in the 13 mini that I will cite, other than the lack of "Pro" features, is the name itself. Others have addressed it at length before me, so I won't spend more time explaining why, but it was an poor decision (whether intentional or not) that sales were suppressed.
 
Apple really screwed up by releasing both the iPhone SE and iPhone Mini at basically the same time.

After I upgraded my iPhone SE (2016) to the 2020 version after a very long wait for another small phone, Apple released the iPhone 12 mini only a few short months later. I wasn't going to be updating again so soon!

And then they released the iPhone 13 mini in September 2021, but my iPhone SE 2020 was still working great and I felt no need to upgrade.

In 2022 they released an incremental iPhone SE 2022 upgrade, which I did get so that I could hand-me-down my iPhone SE 2020 -- which is still working great!

I really don't understand why they released TWO small phones. All things equal I'd have gotten the iPhone 12 mini had it came out before the SE, because it is slightly smaller.
Apple didn’t screw up anything. Market is telling Apple that no one wants small screen phone. Look around from Android side, which manufacture is putting out small screen phones? You and a few people buying mini every 2 or 3 years move very little needle for them.

If anything, Apple screwed up by caving in and wasting engineering and manufacturing resources for making mini. They gave it a shot for 2 years and that didn’t work. Time to move on.

There’s no screw up.
 
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