But that's not what bloatware means by definition. It only uses resources when it's open.
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But that's not what bloatware means by definition. It only uses resources when it's open.
Obviously the group "others" are the rest manufacturers. So the chart is not wrong but it makes a difference if the chart is showing global market or just the US.
bloat·ware/ˈblōtˌwe(ə)r/
Noun:
Software whose usefulness is reduced because of the excessive disk-space and memory it requires.
How is it not? These third party apps use disk-space and memory and you cannot uninstall them.
And no, they don't only use resources when they're open. This is android we're talking about...these apps run in the background even when you don't want them to. Or they'll start with every reboot of the phone. Like I said, it's not a big deal now because of the crapload of RAM that these Android phones have (see need), but it was a big deal when the Android "boom" started two years ago.
Hmmm, very good analogy!
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Shhhhhhhh...logic and facts won't make sense to them. They are scared of these things.
No, you brought it up in response to someone that that complained about "pre-installed carrier crapware" on Android. Of which, the iPhone has none.
you mean like the crap AT&T installed on their phone by default. The same crap I removed off my Atrix with out rooting? Oh those poor facts of yours are falling apart?
Your argument is falling apart. Even on ICS you can at least disable those things yet on iOS you are stuck with Apple Apple's stock apps that have several that people do not want and are annoying and get tossed in a folder titled crap or something like that.
Even the Verizon Galaxy Nexus has bloat (My Verizon Mobile and Verizon's backup assistant.)
I do admire Apple for the complete lack of carrier interference (and Wp7 to an extent with its uninstallable bloat).
So glad the GSM Galaxy Nexus hasn't been carrier molested.
What are you rambling about? I provided a strict definition of what bloatware is, and you're countering me by giving examples that don't follow that definition? How does that work?
I can't believe people are now suggesting that Android doesn't have bloat...holy...crap.
You do know that the iPhone has out sold all Android phones every quarter since the release last year right???
A lot of Android hate here. Is it good to have NO choice? "You can order any smart phone you like, as long as it's an iPhone".
Choice sucks!!
Just give me an iPhone!
Yes, I am right. Lenovo had a larger gain globally, which is better than US Sales since that is just one country:
Don't forget "dead quarter for Android" and "holiday quarter so sales were expected"
Ok we will go off your definitions here
Myriad applications pre-installed on a PC by the vendor. Many PC manufacturers are paid by software vendors to pre-install lite versions of their products on the PCs they sell. In addition, some of these applications load at startup, wasting memory and providing a potential for conflict with other applications. For a fee, some retailers offer to rid the new PC of bloatware for their customers.
The vendor is Apple.
Stock App - Loads at start up and installed by Apple (on top of that can not be removed or stop)
Game center -- Same as above
Reminders -- Same as above
Those are 3 common ones. and they all run all the time.
All Apple's stock apps are required and can not be removed without jail breaking. They are all required.
So under your own defenitions iOS has bloatware and the worse kind of bloatware. The kind that you can not removed, or even disable from running and is forced on you.
They have somewhat similar apps though. That you won't use and can't uninstall.
What difference does it make that android has carrier apps and iOS doesn't? iOS still has some apps they you can't uninstall that you might not use.
Until the iPhone 5 comes out and all those factors you just listed come into play again, and then suddenly, iPhone 5 sales will probably top even 4S sales!
I predict:
#1 selling smart phone: Sixth generation iPhone
#2 selling smart phone: iPhone 4S
#3 selliing smart phone: iPhone 4
...I mean I don't know what to tell you man. Haha, i think it's pretty clear the difference between Reminders, a part of the OS, and Blockbuster Video, the app that you don't want, need or can uninstall.
Like I said, if you want to argue that Reminders is bloatware, then the Android market is bloatware, and so is Google Calendar, and don't forget the Email app that comes with all Android phones, oh and also the Gallery, and Messaging.
How are you comparing apps that are part of a "virgin" OS to apps that are clearly put on phones as part of advertising/marketing deals by carriers? Ridiculous reaching.
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This doesn't surprise me. The iPhone is the best phone I've ever owned.
This doesn't surprise me. The iPhone is the best phone I've ever owned.
No, because new Android phones are coming out every quarter. How an aging Apple device can sell after the newness wears off will determine how much marketshare it can steal from Android. The initial quarter isn't the best of indicators because even the hottest android phones only sell a couple hundred thousand units at launch, and they launch in all the quarters. By looking at the potential worst quarter for Apple, you can get a feeling for their average performance.
I wouldn't call Reminders a part of the OS, since it's just an App. I'd call Siri a part of the OS.
My sister has an iPod Touch and doesn't need Reminders, she doesn't want it, and she asked me how to install it. I had to tell her to just put it in a folder.
Yeah! What's the difference between crappy carrier apps that you don't want that can interfere with your actual use of your phone and a few well done apps that you choose not to use because you don't need them and have no impact on your day to day use except for an extra icon on a screen that you rarely ever navigate to.
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How about calling it third party bloatware then?
Not a part of the AOSP and not a licenced Google application.
I've owned one carrier branded Android handset and vowed to go sim free (not carrier branded) or Nexus after my experience with it.
I did learn a lot about the platform thanks to the Orange UK demos and carrier software (why did I need Orange Maps navigation pre-installed when Google Maps is vastly superior?). The tipping point was the Android 1.6 update being delayed by months whilst Orange "optimised" their version of the Hero ROM with their crap. Because it took them so long, Orange skipped the 1.6 update in the end and jumped straight to 2.0 eventually.
If it wasnt for my desire to root/flash/install custom Roms removing HTC Sense and carrier branded bloat I doubt I'd have gotten into Android as much as I have so it's not a total loss.
Rodimus Prime said:
How about calling it third party bloatware then?
Not a part of the AOSP and not a licenced Google application.
I've owned one carrier branded Android handset and vowed to go sim free (not carrier branded) or Nexus after my experience with it.
I did learn a lot about the platform thanks to the Orange UK demos and carrier software (why did I need Orange Maps navigation pre-installed when Google Maps is vastly superior?). The tipping point was the Android 1.6 update being delayed by months whilst Orange "optimised" their version of the Hero ROM with their crap. Because it took them so long, Orange skipped the 1.6 update in the end and jumped straight to 2.0 eventually.
If it wasnt for my desire to root/flash/install custom Roms removing HTC Sense and carrier branded bloat I doubt I'd have gotten into Android as much as I have so it's not a total loss.