iPhone Represents 55% of Verizon's 4Q 2011 Smartphone Sales

[voonyx]

I wouldn't call Reminders a part of the OS, since it's just an App. I'd call Siri a part of the OS.

My sister has an iPod Touch and doesn't need Reminders, she doesn't want it, and she asked me how to install it. I had to tell her to just put it in a folder.

When I say "part of the OS" I mean that it not put there through a carrier requirement. Meaning when they build the OS, these "apps" are included by default in the build.

Just like the Android market, or the Gallery is on an Android phone. If you build Android from source, those two apps are there. Create a emulator through the SDK and those two apps are there. They are "part of the OS" in that they are "default apps" at the source of the OS.

Now, if you'd like to agree that the Gallery and the Android market are also bloatware then ok, we can reinvent the definition.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

...I mean I don't know what to tell you man. Haha, i think it's pretty clear the difference between Reminders, a part of the OS, and Blockbuster Video, the app that you don't want, need or can uninstall.

Like I said, if you want to argue that Reminders is bloatware, then the Android market is bloatware, and so is Google Calendar, and don't forget the Email app that comes with all Android phones, oh and also the Gallery, and Messaging.

How are you comparing apps that are part of a "virgin" OS to apps that are clearly put on phones as part of advertising/marketing deals by carriers? Ridiculous reaching.

False again on the blockbuster App. Very easily uninstalled able with out rooting. At least get your basic facts right.

I listed 3 Apps that I commonly see on iOS tossed into a folder called crap, unwanted ect.

But I see you jumped right over Stock and Game center.

So you wanted to address stock and Gamecenter?
I will give you reminders is weak but you want stronger ones you got things like Youtube, voice memos, and newstand.

I was being nice but lets replace Rminders with Newsstand and see you address Stock, Game Center, and Newstand.

This was not about Android not having bloatware but the claim iOS has no bloatware which has been proven to be a very false statement. It is the worse kind of bloatware the kind that can not be removed

 

[*LTD*]

Yeah! What's the difference between crappy carrier apps that you don't want that can interfere with your actual use of your phone and a few well done apps that you choose not to use because you don't need them and have no impact on your day to day use except for an extra icon on a screen that you rarely ever navigate to.

It's a showcase app, even. To compare this to carrier-crap is insane.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/built-in-apps/reminders.html

 

[Taz Mangus]

No, because new Android phones are coming out every quarter. How an aging Apple device can sell after the newness wears off will determine how much marketshare it can steal from Android. The initial quarter isn't the best of indicators because even the hottest android phones only sell a couple hundred thousand units at launch, and they launch in all the quarters. By looking at the potential worst quarter for Apple, you can get a feeling for their average performance.

And yet the aging iPhone 3GS was the second best selling smart phone last quarter.

 

[thenerdal]

Yeah! What's the difference between crappy carrier apps that you don't want that can interfere with your actual use of your phone and a few well done apps that you choose not to use because you don't need them and have no impact on your day to day use except for an extra icon on a screen that you rarely ever navigate to.

"Crappy carrier apps" is just an opinion. Some people might use them, some might not.

Just like the iOS preinstalled apps. Some people might use them, some might not.

But let me reword what you said:

"What's the difference between preinstalled apps that you don't want that can interfere with your actual use of your phone and a few well done apps that you choose not to use because you don't need them and have no impact on your day to day use except for an extra icon on a screen that you rarely ever navigate to."

 

[voonyx]

False again on the blockbuster App. Very easily uninstalled able with out rooting. At least get your basic facts right.

I listed 3 Apps that I commonly see on iOS tossed into a folder called crap, unwanted ect.

But I see you jumped right over Stock and Game center.

So you wanted to address stock and Gamecenter?
I will give you reminders is weak but you want stronger ones you got things like Youtube, voice memos, and newstand.

I was being nice but lets replace Rminders with Newsstand and see you address Stock, Game Center, and Newstand.

This was not about Android not having bloatware but the claim iOS has no bloatware which has been proven to be a very false statement. It is the worse kind of bloatware the kind that can not be removed

wow, I mean I don't even know why I'm doing this, because to honestly suggest that iOS has as much bloat as Android is borderline insane haha. This is the problem with android fanatics...

The Atrix may allow you to uninstall Blockbuster but the Droid X did not, without rooting. The Bionic would not let you remove NFLmobile, slacker radio, blockbuster etc. Again, I find it ridiculous that you can't distinguish the difference between these apps and apps like Gamecenter, Reminders and Newstand that are part of the OS, and shipped as such. You're reaching, my friend...

 

[BaldiMac]

What do you mean?

You said this:

You do know the chart isn't showing every manufacturer? Asus did better than Apple, if I can recall. But I'm not sure.

In reference to a chart showing US market share growth. Than you said that you were right because Lenovo actually had larger worldwide market share growth than Apple's US market share growth. Apples and oranges. Which had nothing to do with the original post or your follow up.

What were you right about?

 

[thenerdal]

In reference to a chart showing US market share growth. Than you said that you were right because Lenovo actually had larger worldwide market share growth than Apple's US market share growth. Apples and oranges. Which had nothing to do with the original post or your follow up.

What were you right about?

I was right that, although Apple gained most in one country, they didn't globally.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

wow, I mean I don't even know why I'm doing this, because to honestly suggest that iOS has as much bloat as Android is borderline insane haha. This is the problem with android fanatics...

The Atrix may allow you to uninstall Blockbuster but the Droid X did not, without rooting. The Bionic would not let you remove NFLmobile, slacker radio, blockbuster etc. Again, I find it ridiculous that you can't distinguish the difference between these apps and apps like Gamecenter, Reminders and Newstand that are part of the OS, and shipped as such. You're reaching, my friend...

I never said iOS has more or less bloatware than Android. I went after your claim that iOS has no bloatware which is 100% false. I hate bloatware of any type. Just happens to be iOS has some of the worse and most annoying type which is the impossible to uninstall.
In terms of carrier bloatware AT&T just happens to be the nicest and it is easily removed.

But the entire point I attack on you was your claim. is iOS has no bloat ware. But I see you are passing over that.

 

[voonyx]

I never said iOS has more or less bloatware than Android. I went after your claim that iOS has no bloatware which is 100% false. I hate bloatware of any type. Just happens to be iOS has some of the worse and most annoying type which is the impossible to uninstall.
In terms of carrier bloatware AT&T just happens to be the nicest and it is easily removed.

But the entire point I attack on you was your claim. is iOS has no bloat ware. But I see you are passing over that.

Ok buddy. We'll reinvent the definition for you.

 

[BaldiMac]

"Crappy carrier apps" is just an opinion. Some people might use them, some might not.

Yes, "crappy" is an opinion. Do you have a problem with me stating my opinion?''

Just like the iOS preinstalled apps. Some people might use them, some might not.

No, they are different than iOS preinstalled apps. The fact that not everybody uses every app notwithstanding.

But let me reword what you said:

"What's the difference between preinstalled apps that you don't want that can interfere with your actual use of your phone and a few well done apps that you choose not to use because you don't need them and have no impact on your day to day use except for an extra icon on a screen that you rarely ever navigate to."

If you would have read the statement instead of just rewording it, you would have noticed that the difference is that preinstalled carrier apps on Android can affect your day to day use of your phone even if you don't use them. On iOS it's just a few MB and an icon.

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I was right that, although Apple gained most in one country, they didn't globally.

You were right about something that you didn't post and no one refuted?

Like I said, your leaps of logic are impressive.

 

[dgree03]

Why dont we just call any software preinstalled on a phone that people dont use, bloatware.


That way it can mean different things to different people?

Some people use the blockbuster app, some people use my verizon backup assistant.

Some people use the stock app, some people use gamecenter...

I think bloatware is a different definition to nerd than it is to Joe somebody. I myself hate extra software that I dont use period. It takes up valuable screen space(in iphones case)

No only that but usually by making a piece of software embedded in the OS, the only way to update that software is to update the entire OS. Google caught on and made separate apps for gmail and maps. Wish apple would do the same.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Ok buddy. We'll reinvent the definition for you.

Wait I went off your definition and proved it. Yet you standard Apple defender changed the definition. I broke it down for you already but you changed the definition not me.

Why dont we just call any software preinstalled on a phone that people dont use, bloatware.


That way it can mean different things to different people?

Some people use the blockbuster app, some people use my verizon backup assistant.

Some people use the stock app, some people use gamecenter...

I think bloatware is a different definition to nerd than it is to Joe somebody. I myself hate extra software that I dont use period. It takes up valuable screen space(in iphones case)

No only that but usually by making a piece of software embedded in the OS, the only way to update that software is to update the entire OS. Google caught on and made separate apps for gmail and maps. Wish apple would do the same.

You got the common man definition of it right. Problem is we have people like voonyx who twist it and even in there techinical definition iOS has several bloatware apps. Apple happens to be a vendor for itself but Apple still is the vendor forcing Apps on your that many people do not want.
Stock, Game center and Newstand happen to be 3 big ones.

 

[thenerdal]

No, they are different than iOS preinstalled apps. The fact that not everybody uses every app notwithstanding.

So you're saying that everybody uses the stock iOS Apps? Because that's not true.

If you would have read the statement instead of just rewording it, you would have noticed that the difference is that preinstalled carrier apps on Android can affect your day to day use of your phone even if you don't use them. On iOS it's just a few MB and an icon.

I never had them affect me. :S

You were right about something that you didn't post?

Actually, I did post. I said that another company did better. Which was true, Lenovo did better.

Global sales are better than US Sales. So yeah, Lenovo did better.

 

[voonyx]

Wait I went off your definition and proved it. Yet you standard Apple defender changed the definition. I broke it down for you already but you changed the definition not me.

I think it's quite obvious to everyone except you "Android defenders" the difference between Reminders and Amazon MP3, and Riptide demos. Like I said, you're reaching, and that's understandable.

Would you like to concede that the Android Gallery, The Android Market, and the Android Email App are all bloatware? If so, we're in full agreement.

 

[thenerdal]

I think it's quite obvious to everyone except you "Android defenders" the difference between Reminders and Amazon MP3, and Riptide demos. Like I said, you're reaching, and that's understandable.

Would you like to concede that the Android Gallery, The Android Market, and the Android Email App are all bloatware? If so, we're in full agreement.

I think what Rodimus is talking about is apps that you don't need and can't install.

iOS has them. Android has them. Don't think Windows Phone has it.

 

[BaldiMac]

So you're saying that everybody uses the stock iOS Apps? Because that's not true.

I never said anything of the sort. Why would you make that up? I actually said the exact opposite.

I never had them affect me. :S

How do you know?

Actually, I did post. I said that another company did better. Which was true, Lenovo did better.

No, you said "Asus did better than Apple, if I can recall. But I'm not sure." In reference to a chart about US market share growth. You were completely wrong.

Global sales are better than US Sales. So yeah, Lenovo did better.

And Lenovo is not Asus. And global is not US.

 

[Taz Mangus]

The vendor is Apple.

Stock App - Loads at start up and installed by Apple (on top of that can not be removed or stop)
Game center -- Same as above
Reminders -- Same as above

Those are 3 common ones. and they all run all the time.
All Apple's stock apps are required and can not be removed without jail breaking. They are all required.
So under your own defenitions iOS has bloatware and the worse kind of bloatware. The kind that you can not removed, or even disable from running and is forced on you.

Hmm. I just disabled stocks, game center and reminders in notification center and when I rebooted my iPhone none of those were running when I looked in the process list on my iPhone.

 

[GoodWatch]

Choice sucks!!

Just give me an iPhone!

I already have one (My second...).

 

[chrmjenkins]

And yet the aging iPhone 3GS was the second best selling smart phone last quarter.

That was its first quarter of free availability. The FREE pricetag is a huge mental barrier for consumers, regardless of the data plan cost. Initial cost has a huge impact on purchases.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

That was its first quarter of free availability. The FREE pricetag is a huge mental barrier for consumers, regardless of the data plan cost. Initial cost has a huge impact on purchases.

Honestly I think people who do that are stupid in my opinion. The cost of the the contract is the same so I would rather eat a little extra up front for a much better phone for the list of the contract.

 

[thenerdal]

I never said anything of the sort. Why would you make that up? I actually said the exact opposite.

So now you're saying no one uses iOS apps?

How do you know?

Sister has iOS. Compared and contrast. Wasn't a huge difference. iOS is smoother. But it's nothing that will bug me.

No, you said "Asus did better than Apple, if I can recall. But I'm not sure." In reference to a chart about US market share growth. You were completely wrong.

Overall, if a company does better globally than a company that does better in US, the company that does better globally will have done better overall.

And Lenovo is not Asus. And global is not US.

Yeah, I forgot which Manufacturer did better. That's why I said "But I'm not sure."

 

[voonyx]

I think what Rodimus is talking about is apps that you don't need and can't install.

iOS has them. Android has them. Don't think Windows Phone has it.

Yeah and I'm talking about bloatware

 

[Taz Mangus]

That was its first quarter of free availability. The FREE pricetag is a huge mental barrier for consumers, regardless of the data plan cost. Initial cost has a huge impact on purchases.

My mistake. I meant the third quarter of 2011. Actually, the 3GS was the #2 best selling smart phone for the second and third quarters of 2011.

 

[BaldiMac]

So now you're saying no one uses iOS apps?

Sister has iOS. Compared and contrast. Wasn't a huge difference. iOS is smoother. But it's nothing that will bug me.

Good one. You're right. That absolutely proves that carrier apps that can run in the background in no way affect performance on an Android device. Carrier apps are magical, because they are known to hire the best programmers in the world.

Overall, if a company does better globally than a company that does better in US, the company that does better globally will have done better overall.

And if pigs fly in China, they could probably fly in the US.