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Yes, I do.

lol, people are amazing.

And I wouldn't discount the dongle-hell Apple has thrown up on the world as growing pocket money.

Do you mean the "hell" where they give you the adapter in the box, or do you mean the "hell" which is based on the industry standard USB-C and are therefore not required to buy Apple specific gear?
 
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Enjoy living in the past. How’re your floppy and scsi drives?

Floppies were superseded by better things. SCSI drives are still all over the place in enterprise workstations and servers, like they always were, though I would expect this to shift more and more to SATA SSDs, as those are getting better.

The headphone jack is more like a hammer, an umbrella, the wheel. These things work, and we do not have better solutions, so we keep using them, despite them being old. Wireless headphones have advantages, but also disadvantages. At the current state of the art they are not a clear upgrade.
 
Floppies were superseded by better things.

Not immediately, but eventually. iMac, one of the pioneers to drop the floppy drive, did so in August 1998. The first USB flash drives were not available until December 2000. Transferring files was almost impossible, you had to make CD-R boot disks which was a nightmare and not cheap, and we were all tripping over dongles for a few years.

Wireless headphones have advantages, but also disadvantages. At the current state of the art they are not a clear upgrade.

Once the disadvantages are minimised, as with floppy/USB, they will also be better. Eventually. Patience is a virtue.
 
Not immediately, but eventually. iMac, one of the pioneers to drop the floppy drive, did so in August 1998. The first USB flash drives were not available until December 2000. Transferring files was almost impossible, you had to make CD-R boot disks which was a nightmare and not cheap, and we were all tripping over dongles for a few years.

I have never used Macs much, so for me this apparently problematic in-between-phase never existed. For me capacity was the main motivation to use alternatives to floppies, and they were readily available. When I got my first floppy-less computer, I had not used floppies in years.


Once the disadvantages are minimised, as with floppy/USB, they will also be better. Eventually. Patience is a virtue.

Sure, and then I will use them. Until then I will stick to wired earphones, rather than use what will become the primitive transitional ancestors of those future products.
 
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More then happy with the correct version! and i don’t see the point upgrading it any time soon. That been said, any SE rumors are good - keeping the small footprint phones alive!

Looks like its gonna be a spec bump as i thought - cpu, cameras & 2nd Gen TouchID. The rest will stay the same (included the headphone jack), no 3D Touch, Tactic Engine, wireless charging and bigger screen, unless they’ll redesign it into smaller iP8 version (i doubt it will happen this round).

Hopefully by 2020 they will manage to make a smaller X version with TouchID under the screen to replace the SE lineup… :rolleyes:
 
I actually LIKED the 5C. There's something cool about a plastic colorful entry level iPhone. I had (still have as backup) one and it was my first introduction to iPhones too.
I keep telling people how cool would a 6/7C would be. Same form factor, but in colorful polycarbonate. And you could put previous gen bits in it too, like putting 6/6s/7 bits and screen in there since the 8 and X just came out.

I mean that'd be so much better than most entry-level smartphones.



Apple will release a second-generation iPhone SE in the first half of 2018, according to Taiwan's Economic Daily News.

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The report claims the tentatively named iPhone SE 2 will be assembled exclusively by Taiwanese manufacturer Wistron at its factory in Bengaluru, India, where some assembly of the current iPhone SE occurs.

The rumored release date window lines up with an earlier report from Focus Taiwan claiming a new iPhone SE will ship in the first quarter of 2018, which encompasses January through March of next year.

Apple introduced the current iPhone SE at a media event on March 21, 2016, and the device launched later that month. Given the rumored launch dates, the iPhone SE 2 could certainly be unveiled in March too.

Indian website Tekz24 previously reported that the next-generation iPhone SE will be powered by Apple's A10 Fusion chip, with 2GB of RAM, 32GB and 128GB storage capacities, a 12-megapixel rear camera, a five-megapixel front camera, and a slightly larger 1,700 mAh battery.

Tekz24 isn't a website we're familiar with, and it doesn't have an established track record of reporting on Apple rumors, so don't place too much faith in those tech specs until if and when they are confirmed by other sources.

The current iPhone SE looks much like the iPhone 5s, including its smaller four-inch display preferred by a subset of customers. The device is powered by Apple's A9 chip, like the iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus, and it has 2GB of RAM, a 12-megapixel rear camera, a 3.5mm headphone jack, and Touch ID.

Apple hasn't fully refreshed the iPhone SE since it launched, but it did double the available storage capacities to 64GB and 128GB in March. It also dropped the device's starting price to $349 a few months ago.

Article Link: iPhone SE 2 Again Rumored to Launch in First Half of 2018
 
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I have never used Macs much, so for me this apparently problematic in-between-phase never existed. For me capacity was the main motivation to use alternatives to floppies, and they were readily available. When I got my first floppy-less computer, I had not used floppies in years.



Sure, and then I will use them. Until then I will stick to wired earphones, rather than use what will become the primitive transitional ancestors of those future products.

Aah you were one of the lucky ones. When it comes to dropping technologies in favour of others with more potential, Apple is always on the front line. Once the rest of the industry has followed suit the transitional period is practically over.
 
3) Having to charge yet another thing? No thanks
This is literally my biggest bugbear with the ‘wireless future’ argument - be it headphones, or mice and keyboards or whatever it’s really annoying to need to develop a ‘charging regime’ to keep things charged (or replace batteries every few weeks). Especially when the alternative is you just plug it in and it works as long as the device you’re using it with has power.
 
Our family of 3 had 2 requirements: budget & small. We even went to the apple store and put the SE in our pockets (yeah, still tethered) to see how it fits.

Best basic phone. My kyocera flip phone was only slightly smaller.

I won’t pay more than $400 for a new phone. Already pay $36/mo per phone for verizon unlimited.
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This is literally my biggest bugbear with the ‘wireless future’ argument - be it headphones, or mice and keyboards or whatever it’s really annoying to need to develop a ‘charging regime’ to keep things charged (or replace batteries every few weeks). Especially when the alternative is you just plug it in and it works as long as the device you’re using it with has power.
Yeah but wonder if wwireless charging will be standard in the next couple years.
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I own the original SE, 64GB, version. So does my wife.

They do not serve as our only means of computing. For serious work we use our MBPs, and in-between iPad Mini 4s (which are now on the endangered species list).

So these SEs are perfect for our pocket-sized comm on-the-move case, with one-hand operation throughout. Some ad-hoc photos, and that is about it.

The potential SE Mark II, if it happens, will refresh the SE lifecycle, and avoid its early obsolescence. That was my main concern, as I am not interested on larger iPhone phone factors -- at all.

If the SE Mark II lacks fewer refinements, other than a better rear camera, then so be it. I couldn't care less.
Yep, same for or family that has desktops or laptops, each with an ipad (12.9 or 9.7), and very small pocketable SE.
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Curious - does your wife (or you) use a case? The smaller bezels get, the more difficult it seems to adequately use iOS's swipe features from off-screen when using a case to address the iPhones #1 design flaw from day 1 (its fragility and poor durability since Jony Ive must assume all iPhone users access their phones only in rubber-floored laboratories).

I guess the additional question is: do those who wish for smaller (if not zero) bezels also not believe in using cases?
We all have cases on ours. The top and bottom bezels on the SE are huge, there is plenty of room to shrink them or upsize the screen and keep the overall size the same. We have no problem swiping left or right with the current side bezel and thin case.
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I would love a new SE, but won't buy an India-manufactured device.
If they keep quality control up, I’ve no problem with it.
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Also, next Sept the iPhone 7 (A10) should drop to $449; would Apple want a $349 A11 alternative? All things considered, I think an A10 is the most likely choice.
Iphone 7 currently at $550 for 32gb. I don’t see it as going below $499. Which is still $150 more than the SE, which is 42% more than the SE.
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I have bought 2 SE's. The first I sold because the initial run had issues with bluetooth calling over in-car systems that led to terrible audio quality. When Apple revised the SE (mostly memory changes IIRC) I suspected that the bluetooth issues had been addressed and they had. My SE vied for 1st place with my 6S but finally won out. So now my son will get the 6S and when a new SE comes out, I will probably be in line to buy one assuming very similar size and form factors going forward.
Our 3 SEs all work perfect with bluetooth calling and music in our 2017 Subaru. Now it could be the chipsets of the stereo and phones are same brand, version, etc.
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I plan to use compact phones until I hit my 40's in a few years if my vision gets weaker and need reading glasses. Apple hasn't forgotten about us! Yay!
2 out of 3 of us are 50 or older. No problem reading the SE. If you need reading glasses, the phone will be the least of your problems.
 
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Looking forward to this one. Currently have iPhone 6 since November 2014. Never got used to the larger size.
 
snip.. I have been dealing with Apple since 1989, have over 12 macs for my personal use, ...
Anecdotal, therefore irrelevant.
...have some of their vantage stuff that still works, have buddies who work in Apple as designers and devs and I'm pretty interconnected with the resellers and services to back up everything I have to say.
But you haven't. And you can't.
The above is nothing more than additional anecdotes.
Meaningless
Even in some countries where avg annual salary is miserable $5,000 regular iPhones outsell SE because there is not enough profit margin to push SE. You are more than welcome to find a proper Apple reseller and ask him how many SEs they have sold so far.
Your personal speculation.
 
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Looking forward to this one. Currently have iPhone 6 since November 2014. Never got used to the larger size.
Ditto for me. I got iPhone 6 when it first became available.

I switched over to SE about 3 months ago when my iPhone 6 was on the fritz.
Best decision I've made. I never liked having to take iPhone 6 out of the pocket every time I needed to sit down. With SE, I don't need to.
 
I disagree. It's Apple we're talking about. The same company that established its brand through design consciousness, attention to detail and marrying functionality with aesthetic appeal. The iMac G4 in particular is a classic example of that. And speaking of "computers nowadays", what MS has done with Surface Studio is pretty darn sweet, and proves there's still room to pivot and evolve in ways Apple simply doesn't feel like bothering anymore.

I don’t think Apple established its brand on fashion until the IIc or the OG Macintosh debuted. Lisa,DuoBook are examples of horrible design. No purpose in their design. Since the. We’ve seen incredible design.

For now like I mentioned in an earlier post I don’t think Apple can better the iMac design it’s reached its pinnacle in form for function both in use and in macOS. Microsoft Surface Studio is not really doesgned with accessibility constraints in mind with respect to its primary feature advertised. Still great design and it may have shocked Apple along with their customers.

I’m going iMac Pro is the last of this designs generation and we see something completely new. But I think Ive is completely exhausted and out of ideas along with his team. The iMac may suffer the same huge design mistake the Mac Pro did just to refocus its purpose forward. For all we know the iPad may just be the future iMac that needs a base to boost power and connectivity.
 
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I would expect an iPhone 7 style SE 2. A10 processor is sufficient since I don't think Apple will put in the A11.
 
Five years on from iPhone 5, there's no doubt SE is entirely a cheap build for Apple that is sold at an artificially inflated price (just like iPad mini 4 which is old stock sold at artificially inflated pricing).
iPhone SE is complete laziness from a design focused company. And it's very disappointing.

Um, "design" isn't following fashion trends every few years. If anything the SE still following the design of the 5 (which was really a slightly evolved 4 design) is a sign that that design was good.
 
Considering Apple has been stingy with RAM on the 4.7" iPhones, this SE2 likely only gets 2 GB. The og SE got 2 GB only six months after the 6s got it. This SE2 will not age as well as the og.

That's why you better hope Apple offers same amount of RAM across all sizes next year like Google has done. But Apple loves money. The X2 Plus likely gets 4. The rest might get stuck at 2 or 3.
 
We all have cases on ours. The top and bottom bezels on the SE are huge, there is plenty of room to shrink them or upsize the screen and keep the overall size the same. We have no problem swiping left or right with the current side bezel and thin case.

Ha thx. I have a 5S and similarly have no problem. My question, however, is for those who seek as tiny a bezel as possible, if not no bezel. That will be a disaster for those of us who use a case to address the iPhone’s biggest design flaw.
 
If they sell it $350, then A10...... If sell at $450 with A10, would that really be any surprise from luxury brand Apple? (referring to an article a few months ago calling Apple a luxury brand company, not tech. It's a jab at Apple's new trend of higher priced iphones)

AND, if it's a new design with an A10, $450 doesn't sound unreasonable, especially if it's glass back and waterproof....

... Okay and Wishful thinking... It'll look like those renders that came out in the last week or two (that looks like a mini-X)
If it’s a new design, expect $550 or up.
 
Um, "design" isn't following fashion trends every few years. If anything the SE still following the design of the 5 (which was really a slightly evolved 4 design) is a sign that that design was good.
A design so "good" that it was abandoned with the introduction of iPhone 6.
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You seemed to be unhappy with Apple's phone selection. Does anyone currently produce a phone that lives up to the standards you have not as of yet shared?
As to the "entirely cheap build" of the iPhone 5 design, if I am not mistaken, Apple spent a lot of money and engineering time to develop that phone. It was highlighted in the presentation when it came out as to the care and effort that went into the making of the phone. Just because it is an older design doesn't make it an "entirely cheap build."
Cost of the phone. Are Apple products more expensive? Yes. That doesn't mean they are being sold at an "artificially inflated price." Companies produce a good or service and offer it at a price they determine. If the product is deemed worth the price by the buying public then the product sells. It appears very clear, judging by phone availability, that Apple may even be under charging for the iPhone X. Apple stated that they were pleased by the iPhone SE sales so it would appear the public doesn't think that phone is being sold at an "artificially inflated price."
Design of the phone. You seem to think there is some crime against design in continuing to sell a line of phone, that still sells well enough to update. Apple didn't abandon design. Apple puts their time and money into their flagship phone, while still offering a quality designed phone at a reduced price. That is a win-win for all. While you express your disappointment in Apple I applaud them in keeping my favorite design at a reduced price. You know what that means? We have a difference of opinion. Your opinion is no better or worse than mine. The same goes for the SE naming. It doesn't bother me in the least.
Lastly, having a critical opinion doesn't mean you are correct, it just means you are critical.
iPhone SE has first generation Touch ID, no 3D Touch (three years after 3D Touch was introduced!), less bright screen, no barometer, a poor 1.2mp front camera. iPhone SE is a five year old device in many respects that is sold at an artificially inflated price. Plus the SE naming is lazy.
iPhone SE is not a "win for all".
 
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