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He's not as reliable as Gurman but not bad either. If Apple's intention is to market this iPhone as an entry-level flagship phone, then the iPhone 16e branding does make sense.
Regardless of exact prices, the SE 4 next to the 15 will make for an odd lineup:
SE 4 will pretty much “just” be an iPhone 14 that’s had its SoC and RAM upgraded to iPhone 16 levels. But the rest of it is 1/1 iPhone 14. And they’re even downgrading the cameras on the back from 2 to 1.
iPhone 15 has an older SoC and can’t run Apple Intelligence because of lower RAM. But it’s got two back cameras and the Dynamic Island. And a lot of its internals are pretty close to those of iPhone 16, just not the SoC and RAM.
Naming it “16E” does make a lot of sense if it indeed will get the A18 SoC and 8GB RAM.
To me, this sounds like “SE 4” won’t be positioned in the lineup like another SE. Instead, it will be $599-$699 and knock iPhone 15 down to some $499-$599.
But that would probably also mean that this SE 4/16E will get far more of the mid-tier iPhones specs and features than any previous SE got.
Maybe the next “SE” is, at large, just an iPhone 16 just minus all the camera upgrades and with a much less premium display.
In other words, pretty much all of iPhone 16’s internals crammed into an iPhone 14 with a single back camera.
Still odd. But much less odd than Apple giving a <$499 SE 8GB RAM and A18 + Apple Intelligence while iPhone 15 still sells >$499.
I believe this “16E” rumor, it makes sense.
Why “crammed”? the internal volume of the iPhone 14 and the iPhone 16 are practically identical.
Make sense for 2025 while the flagship phone in the iPhone 16 but I think it sounds much less attractive for 2027 when the flagship phone would be the iPhone 18. The nebulous SE label might still make sense if the intention is for the phone to stay around for 3 years
I agree.
But if this new “16E” does sit price and spec-wise between iPhone 15 and iPhone 16 then I don’t see it being named “SE”.
Historically, SEs have only had the latest SoC and a few other upgrades. But, besides the latest-and-greatest SoC, SE would, at large, get older and lesser specs compared to the rest of the lineup.
A model that sits between (mid-tier) iPhones 15 and 16 would have to get name something like “16SE”, “16R”, “16E”, “16A”, or something like that.
Between the EU regulation and the sudden popularity of AI, Apple seems forced to switch things up for the “iPhone Budget Option” this year (which, let’s get real, it still will be even if it’s sold at a lot more than $399-$499).
The rumored iPhone Air will probably work as a high-end parallel to the “16E”, being a budget friendlier version of the 17 Pro but with key high-end specs cut out and a slimmer design.
Either way, exciting with a new strategy from Apple.. if that’s actually what we get and all of this isn’t just prototypes that never launch.
Yes. It is some sort of a first for Apple (they tried the C suffix once, with little fortune), but makes sense.
apple has never made anything “meant for lower-income people”
They make what they make and charge as much as they think people will pay
Apple has always been a for profit company like any other
they’ve never been a co-op or charity or anti-capitalist enterprise of any sort
Nothing has changed in that regard under the current ceo
It would be nice to get the iPhone 15 positioned down a notch, but that would be another “prime” for Apple.
It at least makes sense from a naming perspective as Apple has been moving away from the "generation" naming so I expect some sort of numbers in the name. So both iPhone SE 4 or 16E would make sense in that regard.
Depends on the company. Anything over $700 is not budget. No way. I wouldn’t ever consider it midrange.
I don't care about AI features. The only thing preventing me from upgrading to an older iPhone model is RAM. Buying a 15 today would be like buying the 8GB Mac 6 months ago. Obsolete before it should be obsoleted.
I'd pay to get rid of FaceID.
In which way an iPhone 15 is obsolete today ?
There are several Apple devices with 6 or even 4 GB of ram perfectly working as of today
That’s not gonna happen and you know it.
If you don’t like it, you can turn it off and enter your code instead. That would be stupid, but if you hate FaceID so much, it’s up to you.
I don’t think so. iPhone 14 display is cheaper (and still very good)
Incorrect. Sales data showed the iPhone 12 mini and 13 mini sold VERY well the first 6 months and 4 months of launch respectively. The sales data showed sales dropped significantly and due to this Apple stopped production entirely.
What is ALSO IMPORTANT, that the sales data did NOT show is 1
Sales were higher than the Iphone base model that launch alongside it during those 4 months of the 13 mini was WORSE! Check the forums, I've posted MANY MANY legit articles and links to this affect. Its a while back so you'll need to dig but the truth and fact is therein. I was a HUGE fan and owner of both and the latter was my VERY LAST iPhone model I owned.
Also what the sales data did NOT show is Apple has NEVER advertised EITHER model beyond being a hidden secondary page (accessed ONLY by Sales or More Info) of the regular iPhone - this includes web, print, TV commercials. ONLY the website showed it. After 7 months ONLY Tim Cook showed it in X/Twitter 1x and that was for another country for pictures taken by it.
It sold VERY well for a model never truly advertised nor anyone had faith it from the start.
Let the record PROPERLY show that as NO OTHER IPHONE never suffered that shun ever! Never.
You’re still not getting a new Mini.
Huh.
Which mini are you referring to?
Where are you referring to that it never sold?
The USA it droped in sales = 12 mini in 6months the 13 mini in 4.
Globally, expecially in the UK the 13mini sold for a full year as the top 5 phones in that market. You need to be specific in region or by country before making such an overall generic statement.
Also it was NEVER advertised beyond the product page behind the regular iPhone which BOTH outpaced on a global sales record accoring to Canalyse.
There are full records of this and I've specifically challenged and posted proof of this for many many months. just dig on the threads for 12/13 mini fans and you'll see comparison links on such sites.
Ok, ok… you should call Tim Cook directly and make him know all these big news you have discovered with the sales numbers of Mini’s. Sure that if he was aware of this, he would change his mind right away and ordering the mass production of 16 Mini by Monday.
And that why the Samsung and Google mini iPhones continue to be such huge market leaders, capturing the entire mini cell phone marketplace away from the Apple iPhone.
Oops my mistake. They don’t make a mini sized phone either. So why is this huge upswell of smaller screen mobile phones desire going unsatisfied by major phone suppliers? Could it be the actual market for such is just a minuscule (but very vocal) portion of the world wide mobile phone market?