iPhone SE 4 Could Be More Expensive

[FlyingDutch]

Incorrect. Sales data showed the iPhone 12 mini and 13 mini sold VERY well the first 6 months and 4 months of launch respectively. The sales data showed sales dropped significantly and due to this Apple stopped production entirely.

What is ALSO IMPORTANT, that the sales data did NOT show is 1
Sales were higher than the Iphone base model that launch alongside it during those 4 months of the 13 mini was WORSE! Check the forums, I've posted MANY MANY legit articles and links to this affect. Its a while back so you'll need to dig but the truth and fact is therein. I was a HUGE fan and owner of both and the latter was my VERY LAST iPhone model I owned.

Also what the sales data did NOT show is Apple has NEVER advertised EITHER model beyond being a hidden secondary page (accessed ONLY by Sales or More Info) of the regular iPhone - this includes web, print, TV commercials. ONLY the website showed it. After 7 months ONLY Tim Cook showed it in X/Twitter 1x and that was for another country for pictures taken by it.

It sold VERY well for a model never truly advertised nor anyone had faith it from the start.

Let the record PROPERLY show that as NO OTHER IPHONE never suffered that shun ever! Never.

Sure … incorrect.
In the meantime in the real world

Just 3% of U.S. iPhone Sales in March Quarter Were iPhone 13 Mini Models

The 5.4-inch iPhone 13 mini continues to be unpopular with customers, according to U.S. iPhone sales data for the March quarter that was shared by...

www.macrumors.com

I read you just this part:

Apple's 5.4-inch iPhone 12 mini and ‌iPhone‌ 13 mini have been comparatively unpopular since their launch, and the poor sales have made it clear that most consumers do not want smaller sized iPhones.

Apple discontinued the model because they were not selling accordingly, not because they hate you. It is a fact.

 

[geta]

Sure … incorrect.
In the meantime in the real world

Just 3% of U.S. iPhone Sales in March Quarter Were iPhone 13 Mini Models

The 5.4-inch iPhone 13 mini continues to be unpopular with customers, according to U.S. iPhone sales data for the March quarter that was shared by...

www.macrumors.com

I read you just this part:

Apple's 5.4-inch iPhone 12 mini and ‌iPhone‌ 13 mini have been comparatively unpopular since their launch, and the poor sales have made it clear that most consumers do not want smaller sized iPhones.

Apple discontinued the model because they were not selling accordingly, not because they hate you. It is a fact.

Most consumers aren't all... which means some people like smaller phones.

The problem is that Apple doesn't want to provide one because they haven't sold enough compared to other models.

 

[iGüey]

Most consumers aren't all... which means some people like smaller phones.

The problem is that Apple doesn't want to provide one because they haven't sold enough compared to other models.

Some people like smaller phones (iPhone Mini fans and people who don’t like to carry big phones in their pockets or purses). In the other hand, the fact is that a lot of people (common people, not necessarily tech related) is buying year to year even bigger phones. The only way Apple can satisfy the buyers who need a small form factor, as well as the ones who want a bigger screen (when unfolded), at the same time and even with the very same phone is precisely with a flip iPhone.

The current trend for which many people are looking for bigger screens year to year has a physical limit that will be reached when the large phones were not able to be easily pocketable any more. So unfolding a pocketable device means that it automatically will double its size, this way if you have a 4 inches folded device, unfolded it will reach 8 inches. 4 inches is shorter than the Mini, while 8 inches is larger than the Plus or Max.

Obviously Apple has taken its time because we can be sure that they have been perfectioning the folding screens to not have an ugly and notorious crease.

 

[staypuftforums]

I'd pay to get rid of FaceID.

In-display fingerprint scanner is so much better. It’s like Apple found a solution to a problem that never existed - or maybe existed for like 6 months.

 

[Biro]

Some people like smaller phones (iPhone Mini fans and people who don’t like to carry big phones in their pockets or purses). In the other hand, the fact is that a lot of people (common people, not necessarily tech related) is buying year to year even bigger phones. The only way Apple can satisfy the buyers who need a small form factor, as well as the ones who want a bigger screen (when unfolded), at the same time and even with the very same phone is precisely with a flip iPhone.

The current trend for which many people are looking for bigger screens year to year has a physical limit that will be reached when the large phones were not able to be easily pocketable any more. So unfolding a pocketable device means that it automatically will double its size, this way if you have a 4 inches folded device, unfolded it will reach 8 inches. 4 inches is shorter than the Mini, while 8 inches is larger than the Plus or Max.

Obviously Apple has taken its time because we can be sure that they have been perfectioning the folding screens to not have an ugly and notorious crease.

I’ve always thought many of the people who prefer very large phones - particularly those working outside of the Apple ecosystem - are trying to get a lot of work done on their phones. Work that could perhaps be better accomplished with a larger tablet. But many Android users don’t own tablets. They have their phones and either a desktop or laptop computer at home. An iPad is not in their kit. My brother is one of these people. It doesn’t mean they’re doing anything wrong. But it explains a lot. Folding phones may be an excellent solution. But the form factor still needs work.

 

[iGüey]

In-display fingerprint scanner is so much better. It’s like Apple found a solution to a problem that never existed - or maybe existed for like 6 months.

How can an In-display fingerprint scanner, which requires you to place a finger over the screen, can be better than FaceID, which by any means don’t require anything from you, but to take a look?

Anyway, if you don’t like FaceID, you can turn it off and type your code instead.

 

[geta]

How can an In-display fingerprint scanner, which requires you to place a finger over the screen, can be better than FaceID, which by any means don’t require anything from you, but to take a look?

Anyway, if you don’t like FaceID, you can turn it off and type your code instead.

I don't like FaceID, but at the same time I don't want to use a code instead. TouchID is much more convenient in most situations (for me).

 

[iGüey]

I don't like FaceID, but at the same time I don't want to use a code instead. TouchID is much more convenient in most situations (for me).

Ok… I really don’t think Apple will replace its very well-working FaceID with a “very-Android” feature as a in-screen touch sensor is.

 

[turbineseaplane]

We shouldn’t forget that “not selling enough” does not equal “not selling”, nor “losing money”

It’s frustrating how little device diversity there is now … for a handheld pocketable portable device, and one with a very flexible fully software based interface.

In a better timeline, we’d have all kinds of interesting form factors from which to choose for our “phone” … in reality they are personal communication and interaction devices and homogenizing it all down to “about a 6”-ish glass rectangle” is so so frustrating.

That isn’t what best suits everyone and all the different priorities and needs. Not even close.

 

[staypuftforums]

How can an In-display fingerprint scanner, which requires you to place a finger over the screen, can be better than FaceID, which by any means don’t require anything from you, but to take a look?

Anyway, if you don’t like FaceID, you can turn it off and type your code instead.

Because it’s my personal preference to use Touch ID. It doesn’t require you to do anything beside touch the screen, which you are going to be doing anyway. Face ID ads nothing of any value whatsoever, except possibly inflated cost of iPhones to manufacture.

 

[iGüey]

Because it’s my personal preference to use Touch ID. It doesn’t require you to do anything beside touch the screen, which you are going to be doing anyway. Face ID ads nothing of any value whatsoever, except possibly inflated cost of iPhones to manufacture.

Well, I respect your tastes, but I’m pretty sure that Apple is not going to replace its very well-working FaceID with a “very-Android” feature as a in-screen touch sensor is.

 

[FlyingDutch]

Most consumers aren't all... which means some people like smaller phones.

The problem is that Apple doesn't want to provide one because they haven't sold enough compared to other models.

Never said it was all the customers. I know there are millions of users that would like it, but unfortunately that’s not how the market works, so the SE will try to point at the bigger target

 

[FlyingDutch]

In-display fingerprint scanner is so much better. It’s like Apple found a solution to a problem that never existed - or maybe existed for like 6 months.

No it’s not. FaceID is just better in every aspect.

Ok… I really don’t think Apple will replace its very well-working FaceID with a “very-Android” feature as a in-screen touch sensor is.

Exactly. And FaceID is just better. I’ve used an S21 and S23 in the last three years, and FaceID is just much much more reliable and handy.

We shouldn’t forget that “not selling enough” does not equal “not selling”, nor “losing money”

It’s frustrating how little device diversity there is now … for a handheld pocketable portable device, and one with a very flexible fully software based interface.

In a better timeline, we’d have all kinds of interesting form factors from which to choose for our “phone” … in reality they are personal communication and interaction devices and homogenizing it all down to “about a 6”-ish glass rectangle” is so so frustrating.

That isn’t what best suits everyone and all the different priorities and needs. Not even close.

It’s true. Even if the minis were like 3/4% of the sales, that’s means millions of devices (we are speaking about iPhone here). But Apple cannot diversify so much, because of production costs and logistics

 

[geta]

Ok… I really don’t think Apple will replace its very well-working FaceID with a “very-Android” feature as a in-screen touch sensor is.

They don’t need to implement under the screen TouchID, they can use the same TouchID system they use on the iPad Mini, which is perfect and far superior than FaceID.

 

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Apple's fourth-generation iPhone SE could see a slight price increase over the current model, according to a new report originating in Asia.

Citing a Japanese source, the aggregator known as "yeux1122" on Korean social media site Naver claims that the fourth-generation iPhone SE will be priced below 78,000 yen–about $500. However, the price of the device is likely to exceed 800,000 won in Korea—around $540. This international pricing may indicate that the new iPhone SE could come in at a slightly higher price than the current model, which starts at $429.

Previous reports have indicated that the new model may continue to be priced starting at $429, or see an increase of around 10 percent. This would place it at about $470. Apple reportedly plans to keep the pricing below $500 in the United States, even if the price does go up slightly.

While the iPhone SE is Apple's low-cost iPhone option, a small price increase would be understandable given the device's expected upgrade to Face ID, a more modern all-screen design, OLED, USB-C, and more. The fourth-generation iPhone SE could launch as soon as March 2025.

Article Link: iPhone SE 4 Could Be More Expensive

There are predictions about the budget iPhone SE.
One says it will be the iPhone SE 4 priced under $500.
The other says it will be the iPhone 16 E priced at least $200 higher. Technically it will be the same model, only the marketing will change.
Which prediction do you think will come true?

 

[geta]

There are predictions about the budget iPhone SE.
One says it will be the iPhone SE 4 priced under $500.
The other says it will be the iPhone 16 E priced at least $200 higher. Technically it will be the same model, only the marketing will change.
Which prediction do you think will come true?

Depends on how greedy Apple will be with this model...

 

[iGüey]

They don’t need to implement under the screen TouchID, they can use the same TouchID system they use on the iPad Mini, which is perfect and far superior than FaceID.

How can TouchID be superior than FaceID? In which aspects? Please can you explain us?

I use FaceID since 11Pro, and I find it flawless and awesome. It never has failed not even once.

 

[geta]

How can TouchID be superior than FaceID? In which aspects? Please can you explain us?

I use FaceID since 11Pro, and I find it flawless and awesome. It never has failed not even once.

Two examples - when the phone is on the table I can open it without having to grab or move it, and at night when it's fully dark many times Face ID fails...

 

[iGüey]

when the phone is on the table I can open it without having to grab or move it

You may incline your iPhone just a little towards your face. As easy as that.

at night when it's fully dark many times Face ID fails...

You may try to configure FaceID again. I don’t have any problems with it even in the darkest conditions.

 

[Chuckeee]

You may try to configure FaceID again. I don’t have any problems with it even in the darkest conditions.

The efficiency of Face ID versus touch ID appears to me to be very much dependent on individual people. Face ID is here to stay with the iPhone so I’ve learned to just live with it, but I still find touch ID to be much more reliable, although face ID has gotten much better with recent phones.

With my old iPhone 6, I rarely ever had an issue with touch ID not recognizing me. With the iPhone XR it was pretty bad. I would get false negatives (Face ID not recognizing me) about 25% of the time, this would happen multiple times daily. In addition, my daughter could occasionally open my phone with her face a false positive. Yes, I tried reprogramming my face. Yes, I tried smiling not smiling and all those combinations it still didn’t make any difference. My new iPhone 16 is significantly better. It only fails to recognize my face once or twice a week. A major improvement but still significantly worse than touch ID performance

 

[FlyingDutch]

They don’t need to implement under the screen TouchID, they can use the same TouchID system they use on the iPad Mini, which is perfect and far superior than FaceID.

I have two iPad , one with FaceID and one with TouchID in the power button: the FaceID is FAR SUPERIOR.

Two examples - when the phone is on the table I can open it without having to grab or move it, and at night when it's fully dark many times Face ID fails...

never ever had my FaceID to fail at night. Infrared camera and flood illuminator are there since the beginning.
faceID improved immensely over the time: which Apple device are you using ?

 

[FlyingDutch]

You may incline your iPhone just a little towards your face. As easy as that.

Or you can slightly lean toward the phone on the table.

You may try to configure FaceID again. I don’t have any problems with it even in the darkest conditions.

Exactly. FaceID is good to recognize me even with sunglasses.

 

[geta]

I have two iPad , one with FaceID and one with TouchID in the power button: the FaceID is FAR SUPERIOR.

never ever had my FaceID to fail at night. Infrared camera and flood illuminator are there since the beginning.
faceID improved immensely over the time: which Apple device are you using ?

That's your opinion, but I'd have to disagree with you about FaceID being "far superior".

I tried a few iPhones with Face ID that I didn't like (as well as their size) so I went back to my trusty OG SE.

 

[FlyingDutch]

That's your opinion, but I'd have to disagree with you about FaceID being "far superior".

I tried a few iPhones with Face ID that I didn't like (as well as their size) so I went back to my trusty OG SE.

That’s not an opinion: it is a fact, and the reason why Apple switched from TouchID to faceID.

I don’t know what an “OG SE” is… but you should use an iPhone for several months before judging FaceID.

 

[geta]

That’s not an opinion: it is a fact, and the reason why Apple switched from TouchID to faceID.

LOL. Just because Apple switched to Face ID doesn't mean it's good.

I don’t know what an “OG SE” is… but you should use an iPhone for several months before judging FaceID.

Who said I didn’t?